The question should be would the three have made the Hall of Fame without uniting on the Celtics. I say no way. Pierce no way, Ray Allen no way, KG no way. That is the way it is. All three are locks because of one offseason of willing and dealing between McHale and Ainge. Otherwise we are talking about these guys being busts, because none of them led a team to the Finals by them selves.
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What if's don't matter in life. They were joined so no one will no.Comment -
Pierce woulda been in regardlessComment -
For doing what, being a scorer on a bad team most of his career.Originally posted by PowderguyComment -
Do you consider Pierce one of the 5 greatest Celtics of all time?Originally posted by seaborneqComment -
All 3 would be in, regardless. Pierce and Allen would not be 1st ballot, but all 3 are essentially locks to make it in.Comment -
No.Originally posted by PowderguyComment -
All three of these guys were 'the man" on bad teams, Pierce being on the worst team, before they united. With only KG playing at an all star level.Comment -
seaborneq, let me guess -- you are a fan that places all of an athlete's worth based on the # of rings they have, right? Irrespective of situation. Some great players just don't win a title. Circumstance matters. Whether it's the teams that they were on, or the teams that they go up against.
Malone
Stockton
Iverson
Barkley
to name a few.
Rings are important and they'll bump a player's all-time worth, no doubt about it. But they aren't everything. You can't just put on blinders and stare only at their bare fingers.Comment -
all 3 are far from a lock for the hof
without uniting for a title 0%Comment -
No. But to hear that the Big 3 are hall of famers for what they did the last few years is sickening. It tells me that playing on a good team is worth more than any amount of talent. You have 3 20 point scorers, all star caliber players who can't make the playoffs alone, but when joined can win the Finals, yet that is the difference in the perception of being hall of fame worthy.Originally posted by tealishComment -
No for Pierce, probably for Allen and Garnett.
Pierce is the one that really needs to thank Allen, Garnett, and the people who made the deal happen.
It makes him and his career look a lot better. Guy has been a good player, but a complete diva, and not a winner until he got significant help.[quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
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[quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]Comment -
Al Jefferson has been putting up the same or better numbers than KG since the trade, I guess that makes him a Hall of Famer too.Comment -
this statement is problematic for several reasons.Originally posted by seaborneq[quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
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[quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]Comment -
If we are going to give credit to KG for putting up good number on non playoff Timberwolf teams, shouldn't Al Jefferson get the same sentimets.Originally posted by yismanComment -
A)Jefferson now is nothing close to what KG did.Originally posted by seaborneq
B)It's not just that the Timberwolves are not in the playoffs. It's that they're horrible. Last three seasons, with Jefferson as the centerpiece: 22, 24, and 15 wins.
C)Al Jefferson has only played four seasons as a starter, and he's missed significant time in two of those seasons.
D)Jefferson is not comparable to Garnett in terms of how he helps his team win. Look at the beginning of the century for what Minnesota did with KG. No, they never won a title or even won the conference, but they did quite well from 1999-2004.[quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
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[quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]Comment -
Garnett was on far more playoff teams than non playoff teams. They missed the playoffs in his first two seasons, but were in every year from 1996-97 to 2003-2004, and then missed them in his last two seasons in Minnesota.Originally posted by seaborneq
Regardless, I think that Garnett would have been in for sure, he was an MVP, the 2nd best PF of the past decade, behind Duncan, and was one of the best defenders in the league for much of that period. Pierce would probably had been in but I don't know about Allen.Comment -
Rondo has the best shot at the HOF on that teamComment -
Now that's just crazy talk.Originally posted by MJFtheGenius[quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
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[quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]Comment -
Originally posted by MJFtheGenius
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Jefferson is averaging about 21 points and 10 rebounds in his Wolf career. Not bad. KG averaging about 16 points and a little over 8 rebounds during his stint as a Celtic. Jefferson scored more and rebounded more with a bad team, KG scored less and rebounded less for a really good team.Comment -
putting up numbers on a horrible team means nothing.[quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
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[quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]Comment -
Maybe not pierce but Ray Allen and KG yes. To say they wouldn't make the HOF because they were on bad teams is stupid. Half of the players in played on shitty teams.Comment -
Just because you don't win, does that make you a bad team? Were the NY Giants a "bad" team this past season after starting 5-0, or the Broncos who started 6-0? Were the Cavaliers the past two seasons bad teams who won more regular season games than any other teams? Are the Magic now a bad team because of a bad series? Good teams don't win championships a lot of seasons. I think the New York Knicks that took a 2-0 lead on the Bulls with LJ, Ewing, Doc, Charles Smith, Oakley, Starks, Hubert was probably one of the best teams ever, but because they didn't win the championship does that make them bad. That Barkley Suns team would have beat anybody else too.Originally posted by Z_WipfComment -
Originally posted by tealish
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Originally posted by seaborneq
Complete ignoranceComment -
Allen should finish the all time 3-point fg career leaderComment -
So KG's numbers in Minnesota made him a better player than Duncan right? If numbers are the thing, Wilt dwarfs Russell, stockton and Mark Jackson dwarfs Magic, and Dominique dwarfs Bird. AI would dwarf Isiah Thomas too. Doesn't even sound right does it?Originally posted by FishheadComment -
Do you realize what type of defensive player KG has been in his career???Originally posted by seaborneq
Do you??
KG was a 10 TIME ALL-STAR before he ever put a CELTIC uniform on.............and now he is a 13 TIME ALL-STAR!!Comment -
i'm not sure about all the rest... but you are wrong about Dominique's stats "DWARFING" Bird'sComment -
So with you're thought process, you are saying a 10 TIME ALL-STAR is not worthy of the Hall of Fame..............geezus.Originally posted by FishheadComment -
Allen Iverson was an All Star pick this year. Big fukking deal.Originally posted by FishheadComment -
Nique scored 5,000+ more points than The Birdman. That sounds like dwarfing to me. And a better ppg average too.Originally posted by Chi_archieComment -
Allow me to educate you........Originally posted by seaborneq
KG was a 10-time ALL-STAR before ever putting on a Celtic Uniform..........
Not one NBA player in history that has been at least a NINE time ALL-STAR that is eligible for the HOF has not been inducted into the HOF(KG TEN times in a T-Wolves uniform).
You are severely underrating KG has a player.
By the way, KG has been selected to the NBA All Defensive team 10 times!Comment -
KG was/is HOF w/o question and not sure how you could see it otherwise...far as the other 2 i can see your arguments...Comment
