Who do you think are tougher - soccer or hockey players?

[mathdotcom]

guys go easy on paver... it takes a real knucklehead to enter this thread 400 times and still think the title is 'what do you think is tougher - soccer or hockey?'.

[pavyracer]

You're just like the thick skulled Greek broad I work next to. You argue for the sake of arguing. Soccer there is little to no contact. It has as much contact as basketball. Just stop. You look like Herman or Venditto right now. I have witnessed world class "futbol" first hand, its not a surprise to me. I have family members involved at the highest level in soccer. Very familiar with the game. It is not even close.

I challenge you into a soccer game at the Bash! I will show you how much contact there is in soccer. By the time we are done you won't be able to walk from the shin bruises and the hits to the ribs you sissy hockey player. And yes we can do the sissy hockey rules. Drop the gloves and starting punching to see who is tougher you momma's boy.

[THE PROFIT]

American Football players

[mathdotcom]

I challenge you into a soccer game at the Bash! I will show you how much contact there is in soccer. By the time we are done you won't be able to walk from the shin bruises and the hits to the ribs you sissy hockey player. And yes we can do the sissy hockey rules. Drop the gloves and starting punching to see who is tougher you momma's boy.

Will this occur before or after you step onto the ice without a helmet and stand in front of the net deflecting Deuce's slapshots?

[pavyracer]

Will this occur before or after you step onto the ice without a helmet and stand in front of the net deflecting Deuce's slapshots?

I'm not a goalie. We will both play position players. And I can skate on rollers but not on ice. So if there is a roller skating ring in Vegas we can both have a roller hockey challenge and a soccer challenge. I'm not affraid to humiliate Deuce in his own game.

[MC PICKS]

Easy answer









For you soccer guys, these guys are, Tim Hunter, Bob Probert, Joey Kocur and Dave Brown, and Probert and Kocur were cousins and would never fight each other. Too bad too, cause it would been one for the ages if they had.

[Deuce]

I challenge you into a soccer game at the Bash! I will show you how much contact there is in soccer. By the time we are done you won't be able to walk from the shin bruises and the hits to the ribs you sissy hockey player. And yes we can do the sissy hockey rules. Drop the gloves and starting punching to see who is tougher you momma's boy.

Lets play hockey first, we'll see what you're saying after that tough guy. I've played many o' soccer in my day.

[pavyracer]

That's because fighting is not allowed in soccer.

[MC PICKS]

I appologize, I forgot about Wendell.

[Deuce]

That's because fighting is not allowed in soccer.

[radishman]

hockey is harder imo but I think some of you guys underestimate soccer

[mrmarket]

So thread summed up:
pavy: soccer players are tougher
everyone: no + evidence
pavy:

[JohnGalt2341]

I'd rather get trampled by a bull than have Brock Lesnar drop lunch box sized fists on my face while sitting on me. The bull will stomp, maybe he might even lift and throw you around for a bit, but that's unlikely. You can always run. You aren't trapped in a fukking cage with the thing.

I concur, sure the Bull is thousands of pounds and could easily kill you but there is a pretty decent chance that he will throw you off cleanly and you will be virtually unharmed. Now if you were to fight someone like Brock his whole intention is to get you on the ground and smash you in the face until you are unconscious. This will happen guaranteed(unless you are Fedor or a handful of other guys in the world). I'd rather ride the meanest Bull on the planet than fight Brock. Oh I forgot... are people still talking about who's tougher between Hockey and Soccer players? Enough of this nonsense. What sport has the toughest Athletes in the world? I vote MMA.

[MC PICKS]

hockey is harder imo but I think some of you guys underestimate soccer

Socer guys can run till no end. But in high school the guys that couldnt hang in freshman football playd soccer. Hence not tough.

[pavyracer]

I challenge any hockey player to play soccer against me and taste first hand the toughness of soccer. And we can drop gloves and start fighting if you want to go by hockey rules. No red cards.

[Andy117]

I concur, sure the Bull is thousands of pounds and could easily kill you but there is a pretty decent chance that he will throw you off cleanly and you will be virtually unharmed. Now if you were to fight someone like Brock his whole intention is to get you on the ground and smash you in the face until you are unconscious. This will happen guaranteed(unless you are Fedor or a handful of other guys in the world). I'd rather ride the meanest Bull on the planet than fight Brock. Oh I forgot... are people still talking about who's tougher between Hockey and Soccer players? Enough of this nonsense. What sport has the toughest Athletes in the world? I vote MMA.

Sorry but this is worse than what an MMA fighter is gonna do.


The bull doesn't have to stop. After a fighter is defenseless in MMA they stop the fight. A bull can keep tossing you around.

[Dark Horse]

Hockey seems the obvious answer, but I would say they're about even. And the reason I'm going there is that hockey players definitely dive as well, and that a penalty gained by diving is far more serious in terms of influencing the outcome of the game than in soccer (unless it's a pk in soccer).

I have no idea why the NHL allows players to fight, but if soccer had the same policy soccer players would go for it as well. That doesn't make hockey tougher. Just more stupid.

[Mini19]

This is a joke.. Hockey players are tougher without a question

[pavyracer]

Hockey seems the obvious answer, but I would say they're about even. And the reason I'm going there is that hockey players definitely dive as well, and that a penalty gained by diving is far more serious in terms of influencing the outcome of the game than in soccer (unless it's a pk in soccer).

I have no idea why the NHL allows players to fight, but if soccer had the same policy soccer players would go for it as well. That doesn't make hockey tougher. Just more stupid.

This is the best post. People think just because hockey allows fighting they are tougher guys. You put a soccer player and a hockey player fight and see what happens if you want to compare. Some of the soccer players have black belts in Karate and the Brazilian players are Jujitsu masters.

[win_the_cup]

You can not compare soccer to hockey. You need totally different skills. I am coaching a youth team. My players are between 7 and 8 years old. It is pretty hard to teach them the needed skills. Soccer is not only running, passing and shooting. You need to understand the game. In the beginning, I started coaching them back in december my crew never won a point. only lossed. I showed them skills the needed. Shooting, passing game, stopping the ball, tacklings etc. It was a long way. Then I started to teach them the different tactics like what does a defender have to do, position play etc. Now we have 2 wins 1 draw and 2 losses. Not bad for a team that never had any wins.

I guess in the beginning soccer could be more difficult to learn than hockey. But you really can not compare it. Even for injuries soccer may be more dangerous than hockey. During my "career" as a goalie I had two knee injuries, broken rib, broken hand and much more.

Hockey is much harder as a senior than soccer but you are more prepared for hits etc. In soccer you never know what comes next. Maybe someone will make a foul and you are not prepared for it. Then you could face severe injuries. Even one bad step on the field can cause an injury. I guess you see more injuries in soccer than in hockey but hockey players are tougher than soccer player.

[Willie Bee]

To me it's like asking what cut of meat is the best, a t-bone or a ribeye?

I know diddly about either sport, to be honest, but one thing stands out that would lead me to vote for hockey if the question is which sport is more physical? Except for the goalies in hockey, nobody is out there skating and taking all of that banging for the whole 60 minutes. At least they aren't any longer.

That's not to say I'm your typical ignorant American who feels soccer players just run around on a soft field of grass and kick a little ball every few minutes. True 'tough guys' play all of the team sports that involve some sort of contact, either player-to-player or player-to-balls/walls/hardwood.

I shudder to think what it was like to have been on the ice or an American football field for the entire 60 minutes back before a lot of the protective equipment that's been developed over the past 40 years, pre-1970. The technology they're coming up with in just the past 5-15 years is incredible for all sports when it comes to protective gear.

[win_the_cup]

how about that:



German Bundesliga back in 1981. 25 centimeters, you can even see the bone.

[pavyracer]

You can not compare soccer to hockey. You need totally different skills. I am coaching a youth team. My players are between 7 and 8 years old. It is pretty hard to teach them the needed skills. Soccer is not only running, passing and shooting. You need to understand the game. In the beginning, I started coaching them back in december my crew never won a point. only lossed. I showed them skills the needed. Shooting, passing game, stopping the ball, tacklings etc. It was a long way. Then I started to teach them the different tactics like what does a defender have to do, position play etc. Now we have 2 wins 1 draw and 2 losses. Not bad for a team that never had any wins.

I guess in the beginning soccer could be more difficult to learn than hockey. But you really can not compare it. Even for injuries soccer may be more dangerous than hockey. During my "career" as a goalie I had two knee injuries, broken rib, broken hand and much more.

Hockey is much harder as a senior than soccer but you are more prepared for hits etc. In soccer you never know what comes next. Maybe someone will make a foul and you are not prepared for it. Then you could face severe injuries. Even one bad step on the field can cause an injury. I guess you see more injuries in soccer than in hockey but hockey players are tougher than soccer player.

I played soccer in HS and college and now coach. I know exactly what you mean. One of my best friends ended his career by tackling me and breaking his leg. It doesn't matter what position you are playing defender or forward you are one tackling or elbow or head butt away from serious injury because there is really no equipment protecting you. And as a forward I kicked goalies in the face and ribs with the studs many times.

Now as far as coaching most teenagers here in the States lack the fundamentals. They have good stamina and speed but that's just about it. They can't defend, pass or know where to run when anticipating a pass. Then you try to teach them positions like sweeper or defensive midfielder and it seems like you are talking in some alien language. And on top of that you have the parents, who have no idea how to play, yelling at the kids to run for the ball when you as a coach have gave them a different game plan.

[win_the_cup]

And this is the video for the picture above:

http://www.myvideo.de/watch/4319999/Das_haerteste_Foul_in_der_Fussballgeschichte_an_Ewald_Lienen

[RichardMoss]

OK...so....this one was easily won by Hockey, but the real Q is..what is tougher Hockey or Rugby?

[pavyracer]

how about that:



German Bundesliga back in 1981. 25 centimeters, you can even see the bone.

1992 Euro - Henrik Larsen Denmark..that's his knee cap

[win_the_cup]

I played soccer in HS and college and now coach. I know exactly what you mean. One of my best friends ended his career by tackling me and breaking his leg. It doesn't matter what position you are playing defender or forward you are one tackling or elbow or head butt away from serious injury because there is really no equipment protecting you. And as a forward I kicked goalies in the face and ribs with the studs many times.

Now as far as coaching most teenagers here in the States lack the fundamentals. They have good stamina and speed but that's just about it. They can't defend, pass or know where to run when anticipating a pass. Then you try to teach them positions like sweeper or defensive midfielder and it seems like you are talking in some alien language. and on top of that you have the parents, who have no idea how to play, yelling at the kids to run for the ball when you as a coach have gave them a different game plan.

It is way different here in Germany because soccer is our sports number 1. What my kids had to learn first was discipline. The kids are just 7 to 8 yrs old but without discipline you can not teach them soccer. We pratice twice a week (each time 90 minutes) and have 1 match each week. What was most important for me was the fact that when we start out training at 5.00 pm the kids have to arrive 15 minutes before and have to be dressed at least by 5.00 pm. Then we do some running stuff, coordination, gymastics, stretching etc. Right after comes the technical training. Passing the ball, stopping the ball etc. There are so many different exercises for that. You have to practise that over and over again. In the beginning, when I took over from the old coach they alway wanted to play and play and play. Not with me. Most important are the basics. Right after we do some shooting training and / or practise to attack from both sides. Then some training for the defenders. Like 2 on 1 situations etc. We always finish with a short match. I show the kids how to move on the field. For example when one team attacks from the left side the left defender has to attack and the middle and right defender have to make some steps towards the left side for covering etc. Sometimes they think they don`t have to use the passing game. Then I change the rules and only three contacts are allowed. Otherwise the other team gets the ball etc.

I guess here in Europe most parents understand the game of soccer better than in the US. It is not a kids game here. You grow up with the game. We don`t have the HS system you have in the US. We have under 7, under 9, under 11, under 13, under 15, under 17 and under 19 teams. Then the move on to senior teams. The under 7/9/11 teams are playing on a smaller field (1 goalie plus 6 players - you usually play with 3 defenders and 3 forwards). All teams are playing in leagues. Starting with under 13 teams they play for promotion and relegation.

I really think kids have to learn all the basics in the under 7 / under 9 teams. Starting with the under 11 they are playing a way different soccer than they did in the u7/u9. When the did not learn the basics in the early years then it is hopeless.

You should explain the parents that you are the coach and you teach your kids. I did the same and they respect my decisions. I am not someone who just wants to see the kids have fun by playing soccer. I want to teach them and see them winning.

[Slainte]

The best dive ever

[Karayilan9]

How do you measure toughness?

Hockey and Soccer both are tough games and have different kinds of toughness, its not a pissing contest you could argue a case for both games.

For some reason some guys who don't know soccer think its soft, let's just say violence in soccer is a big problem and the authorities have tried to curb it for years. The game is notorious for being tough and attracting rough crowds. Its seen as the working mans game and has alot of trouble associated with it on a level that has never occurred in major US sports. If players were allowed to fight in these games it would be a blood bath and players would kill each other.

[brooks85]

hockey is by far tougher in any definition of the word imo

[JohnGalt2341]

Sorry but this is worse than what an MMA fighter is gonna do. The bull doesn't have to stop. After a fighter is defenseless in MMA they stop the fight. A bull can keep tossing you around.

This picture doesn't qualify because this is not a picture of a Bull Rider. I'm willing to bet this guy was practically BEGGING the Bull to try to do this to him. He just didn't think the Bull would be able to.

[brooks85]

i heard about that bull rider and went out of my way not to see it haha

[pavyracer]

This picture doesn't qualify because this is not a picture of a Bull Rider. I'm willing to bet this guy was practically BEGGING the Bull to try to do this to him. He just didn't think the Bull would be able to.

This is not rodeo amigo. Dude is a matador and he is fighting the bull not riding him like a pussy cowboy.

[pavyracer]

How do you measure toughness?

Hockey and Soccer both are tough games and have different kinds of toughness, its not a pissing contest you could argue a case for both games.

For some reason some guys who don't know soccer think its soft, let's just say violence in soccer is a big problem and the authorities have tried to curb it for years. The game is notorious for being tough and attracting rough crowds. Its seen as the working mans game and has alot of trouble associated with it on a level that has never occurred in major US sports. If players were allowed to fight in these games it would be a blood bath and players would kill each other.

Most of the people who don't like soccer have never played it at the semi-professional or professional level. Most of them will collapse if they play 90 min and need a ventilator. And if you tackle them at the legs they will never get up from the ground. These are the people who have beer bellies the size of kegs and consider watching football every Sunday a form of exercise.

[Karayilan9]

Most of the people who don't like soccer have never played it at the semi-professional or professional level. Most of them will collapse if they play 90 min and need a ventilator. And if you tackle them at the legs they will never get up from the ground. These are the people who have beer bellies the size of kegs and consider watching football every Sunday a form of exercise.

I'd challenge anybody to play just 30 minutes, soccer requires the highest levels of fitness and strength and the tackles make the game brutal. I wonder how many guys have seen bad tackles in the game, guys legs snapped in an instant, guys careers ended in a second. So many players never make it because of injuries, toughness is not a bragging right the authorities try to curb dirty side of soccer not promote it. The fights in hockey are like a show for the crowd, when there are fights on a soccer pitch the supporters can end up storming the pitch and getting involved in the brawl aswell.

Pavy can you imagine if we took guys who think soccer is a kids game to a Olympiacos PAOK derby in Greece, or a Galatasaray Fenerbahce derby in Turkey, the old firm derby in Scotland, the Fla-Flu in Brazil, Boca-River in Argentina.... I guarantee most guys would sh*t themselves and have never experienced that kind of atmosphere. The stuff I've seen at games would shake up the toughest guys.