**colorado forced to revise covid death total DOWN 24%

[milwaukee mike]

due to people saying "no my brother/mother/wife did NOT die from covid"

if every state did this, the death total would equal a normal cold/flu/pneumonia season

keep in mind the TOTAL DEATHS in the usa in 2020 is about the same as every other year

https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-lowers-coronavirus-death-count

[jjgold]

good stats

Drs being forced to mark down Covid as cause of death

[zam77]

Surprise surfukinprise

[Foxx]

Who knows what to believe anymore

[Emily_Haines]

Fuk colorado

[Booya711]

mikey....we have had a clue unlike Fauchi and his clown crew

[milwaukee mike]

mikey....we have had a clue unlike Fauchi and his clown crew

fauci = owned by gates
neil ferguson = owned by gates
media = owned by pharma

does anyone wonder why every talking head keeps talking about a vaccine? same shit gates pulled in africa where all the women that took his free vaccines are now sterile

[mezmurized2]

due to people saying "no my brother/mother/wife did NOT die from covid"
if every state did this, the
death total would equal a normal cold/flu/pneumonia season
keep in mind the TOTAL DEATHS in the usa in 2020 is about the same as every other year

https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-lowers-coronavirus-death-count

It is interesting, and appears to be factual.


1/ But this is ONE state. We don't know how many other states have similarly been counting cases of death that were NOT actually attributed to COVID-19. We do know it has been speculated, yes. But the proof of this being widespread and significant is lacking.


2/ Colorado is only 272 OVER-reported deaths (1150 total minus 878 proven) = 24% reduction.


3/ For the umpteenth time, the CDC stats reveal a mean average of
= 1,357 influenza deaths per week. (no mitigation to keep spread down)


4/ As I type this, the US reported death toll from Johns Hokins is 89,550. But the "high-active" portion of the COVID-19 season has been since April 01 (~5,000 alread)...which means, we have had 84,550 deaths just since April 01...For argument sake let's just make a really wild assumption and make blieve that *ALL* states are inadvertently over-reporting deaths by that same 24%. There is no basis in fact for assuming this for ALL 50 states of course, but we will here anyway...
That knocks the total down to 64,258 just since April 01.


5/ That's not quite 7 full weeks yet but we'll round it up to 7 weeks to make the numbers seem better FOR YOU. Thus, 64,258 deaths divided by 7 full weeks
=9,180 COVID-19 deaths per week


6/ The comparison is 700% more COVID-19 vs. seasonal influenza


7/ The current COVID-19 death totals have been reported in other articles to be UNDERreported - due to deaths at home or at nursing-homes which do not make it to the hospital and therefore NOT tested to confirm COVID-19, as well as an "accepted assumption" that there was likely numerous hundreds perhaps thousands deaths attributed to flu/pneumonia or other causes - during January and February - before we even knew of a pandemic -- and therefore didn't or couldn't test those deaths for covid-19 and had to assume some other cause! I've shown links to this reports in other threads. So we can reasonably conlcude there was likely UNDERreported deaths but we have no idea how many. It is logical however.
Mind you, there are only 272 OVER-reported deaths from Colorado.


8/ Here's the point so many keep FORGETTING....Despite all the wailing & whining about the last 8 week lockdown (full mitigation) -- somehow ALL of FOX News and most Trump-supporters forget that the reason the COVID-19 death is only reported at almost 90k today is
*because* of the spread-suppressing effect of the very lockdown they are crying about!

Of course, we have no way of knowing just how many THOUSANDS more deaths would have occurred without a lockdown. It's speculation.
But logically it would be much higher! Waaaaaaayyyyy higher! Double? TRIPLE??
Hell, in NY - even with full lockdown the numbers are horrific!!!

Well for my logic-based argument here, I will assume at least DOUBLE the death toll had this highly infectious disease been allowed to FREELY spread just like any influenza season.

**And remember, this is NOT yet adding in the UNDERreported deaths!

Sooooo, 64,258 deaths X 2 because of NO lockdowns,
= 128,516 true covid-19 deaths JUST SINCE APRIL 01.

Divide that by past 7 weeks,

= 18,360 covid-19 deaths *PER WEEK* >> just since April 01.



Compared to 1,357 influenza deaths *per week*



While it is clear FOX News would NEVER print the logical math, and would most likely
contend that those two numbers are roughly EQUAL, I am confident that
"reasonable" NON-partisan people will understand how misleading it is to push
the proven false narrative that covid-19 is about the same as the seasonal flu...

.

.

.

[carolinakid]

they need to kept the numbers up for federal aid to the states........

[carolinakid]

i would love to be able to see what they will say about this 40 yrs down the road....

[teecee]

WHO claims COVID-19 could be here for long time. In other words; just get used to it. Just one more thing to die from. We all have lives, so let's just get on with them.

[clockwise1965]

Good stat.

[teecee]

It is interesting, and appears to be factual.


1/ But this is ONE state. We don't know how many other states have similarly been counting cases of death that were NOT actually attributed to COVID-19. We do know it has been speculated, yes. But the proof of this being widespread and significant is lacking.


2/ Colorado is only 272 OVER-reported deaths (1150 total minus 878 proven) = 24% reduction.


3/ For the umpteenth time, the CDC stats reveal a mean average of
= 1,357 influenza deaths per week. (no mitigation to keep spread down)


4/ As I type this, the US reported death toll from Johns Hokins is 89,550. But the "high-active" portion of the COVID-19 season has been since April 01 (~5,000 alread)...which means, we have had 84,550 deaths just since April 01...For argument sake let's just make a really wild assumption and make blieve that *ALL* states are inadvertently over-reporting deaths by that same 24%. There is no basis in fact for assuming this for ALL 50 states of course, but we will here anyway...
That knocks the total down to 64,258 just since April 01.


5/ That's not quite 7 full weeks yet but we'll round it up to 7 weeks to make the numbers seem better FOR YOU. Thus, 64,258 deaths divided by 7 full weeks
=9,180 COVID-19 deaths per week


6/ The comparison is 700% more COVID-19 vs. seasonal influenza


7/ The current COVID-19 death totals have been reported in other articles to be UNDERreported - due to deaths at home or at nursing-homes which do not make it to the hospital and therefore NOT tested to confirm COVID-19, as well as an "accepted assumption" that there was likely numerous hundreds perhaps thousands deaths attributed to flu/pneumonia or other causes - during January and February - before we even knew of a pandemic -- and therefore didn't or couldn't test those deaths for covid-19 and had to assume some other cause! I've shown links to this reports in other threads. So we can reasonably conlcude there was likely UNDERreported deaths but we have no idea how many. It is logical however.
Mind you, there are only 272 OVER-reported deaths from Colorado.


8/ Here's the point so many keep FORGETTING....Despite all the wailing & whining about the last 8 week lockdown (full mitigation) -- somehow ALL of FOX News and most Trump-supporters forget that the reason the COVID-19 death is only reported at almost 90k today is
*because* of the spread-suppressing effect of the very lockdown they are crying about!

Of course, we have no way of knowing just how many THOUSANDS more deaths would have occurred without a lockdown. It's speculation.
But logically it would be much higher! Waaaaaaayyyyy higher! Double? TRIPLE??
Hell, in NY - even with full lockdown the numbers are horrific!!!

Well for my logic-based argument here, I will assume at least DOUBLE the death toll had this highly infectious disease been allowed to FREELY spread just like any influenza season.

**And remember, this is NOT yet adding in the UNDERreported deaths!

Sooooo, 64,258 deaths X 2 because of NO lockdowns,
= 128,516 true covid-19 deaths JUST SINCE APRIL 01.

Divide that by past 7 weeks,

= 18,360 covid-19 deaths *PER WEEK* >> just since April 01.



Compared to 1,357 influenza deaths *per week*



While it is clear FOX News would NEVER print the logical math, and would most likely
contend that those two numbers are roughly EQUAL, I am confident that
"reasonable" NON-partisan people will understand how misleading it is to push
the proven false narrative that covid-19 is about the same as the seasonal flu...

.

.

.

Do you think we'll ever know the true numbers? I don't believe we ever will. Every stat related to anything this big is merely speculation, imo.

[teecee]

Why are we comparing influenza to COVID-19? One has been around forever and one just arrived. We have a flu shot for influenza and nothing for COVID-19. Of course numbers won't be the same since we've had more experience with one than the other. Still no reason to take away everything that was fun

[mezmurized2]

Do you think we'll ever know the true numbers?

True numbers? As in 100% accurate?? Nah......not 100%. Too difficult.

Every stat related to anything this big is merely speculation, imo.

Hmmm...well, I wouldn't say "speculation" per se, since there is solid evidence of very high numbers of covid-19 deaths (though certainly not 100% accurate, you are right about that!) ...And the deaths of seasonal flu each year is also only a CDC estimate -- although fairly close given the year-to-year numbers being roughly similar on average.

My "speculation" above is based in evidence for at least the first 64,258+ who died from covid-19 in past 6 weeks and 4.5 days. It's rough, yes, but the point was to illustrate a contrast with seasonal flu numbers.
Covid-19 appears to be -- at the very least -- 700% worse than the flu and that's with a lockdown in place!
True, it is speculatioon to guess a number of deaths if we supposed there was NO lockdown to suppress the spread but we are all fairly intelligent so I am sure we can all agree the numbers would be much worse
without this 8 week lockdown.
However, that said, we are now beginning to open up and optimism is rising.
I'm all for it.
.

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[mezmurized2]

Why are we comparing influenza to COVID-19?

Well, that would be because I decided to respond to "sentence #2" from the original post that started this entire thread.
Milwaukee Mike means well, I don't doubt that....but there is a frequent misunderstanding repeated here by many and it should be addressed with a more clear and logical understanding.

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[Sol Diablo]

Who knows what to believe anymore

Bingo.

When you can't trust the government or the media, you know we all are fvkk'd...

[Goat Milk]

Just want to be clear, you're saying the total death count right now is about the same as the flu, with 85% of the population staying indoors. Is that correct?

[teecee]

Just recently read a piece from the Boston Globe, where the WHO says it's not likely going away. Given that bit, we know we just have to live with it. One more way to die is all it is.

[RudyRuetigger]

what a big scam

this just proves trump is the only one working for the people

hell, lindsey graham said he wouldnt call obama to speak

[Emily_Haines]

Just recently read a piece from the Boston Globe, where the WHO says it's not likely going away. Given that bit, we know we just have to live with it. One more way to die is all it is.

Not only that they said the second wave in the fall will be twice as deadly. Fuk them they’re worthless.

[kyhawk]

This will boomerang and put trumpster out of office. I was driving around the shore in Jax and I have never seen so many people on the beach.

[milwaukee mike]

This will boomerang and put trumpster out of office. I was driving around the shore in Jax and I have never seen so many people on the beach.

um no

it should put all these commie governors in jail (along with gates/fauci/birx/ferguson) is what it should do

golf courses here are busier than ever too... good sign that people are tired of being lied to about this "super deadly virus" that for anyone under 80 years old is about as deadly as a peanut allergy

[stake1]

they need to kept the numbers up for federal aid to the states........

Yes, due the elective surgeries being shut down and hospitals losing millions of patient visits. Had to bail them out with "fake death totals" Time to open everything up, and get back to normal. Now

[RudyRuetigger]

Do you think we'll ever know the true numbers? I don't believe we ever will. .

noone knows how many accounts paulypoker has












we will never know the true number unless they get vaccinated and dont reproduce.....OOPs thats a democrat line referring to blacks

[EmpireMaker]

• Texas on Saturday reported 1,801 new COVID-19 infections, its highest single-day increase.
• More than 700 of the new cases came from the Amarillo area, in the Panhandle.
• Gov. Greg Abbott said he expected the number of positive cases to continue to rise as the state plans to increase testing in "most high-risk areas: nursing homes, meatpacking plants and jails."
• Abbott began relaxing the state's stay-at-home order on May 1 and is set to relax it further on Monday, allowing gyms and offices to open at 25% capacity.
• Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

Texas on Saturday reported its highest single-day increase in new COVID-19 infections as it continues to relax restrictions on businesses.
The Texas Department of State Health Services announced that 1,801 new people had been diagnosed with COVID-19 in the previous 24 hours. The Houston Chronicle reported on Saturday that the spike was due in part to a new outbreak in the Panhandle, with more than 700 cases reported in the city of Amarillo and attributed to meatpacking facilities in the region.
The Chronicle said that the number of new daily infections in Texas had been about 1,227 over the past week and that until Saturday the state had not seen a single-day increase larger than 1,500.
Gov. Greg Abbott said in a statement that he expected the number of new cases to continue to increase as the state plans to increase testing in "most high-risk areas: nursing homes, meatpacking plants and jails."
"That is exactly why I established Surge Response Teams," Abbott said. "By immediately deploying resources and supplies to these high risk areas, we will identify the positive cases, isolate the individuals and ensure any outbreak is quickly contained, which is the strategy being deployed in Amarillo."
Texas has also seen a spike in deaths. It reported 33 new deaths on Saturday, bringing the three-day total to 147 — the worst three-day span so far, according to the Chronicle. On Thursday it reported 58 deaths, its highest single-day death toll.
Abbott has relaxed restrictions forcing businesses to close to stem the spread of COVID-19. At the beginning of May, restaurants, malls, movie theaters, and stores were permitted to open at 25% capacity. On May 8, hair salons and barbershops could resume business.
Despite the increase in new cases, Abbott is expected to further relax restrictions on Monday, allowing gyms, offices, and nonessential manufacturing facilities to open.
Gyms can open at 25% capacity on Monday, though classes, locker rooms, and shower facilities will remain closed, according to The Dallas Morning News. Nonessential manufacturing can resume at 25% capacity. Office work can also resume, though with no more than five employees or 25% of the workforce, whichever is greater.
Abbott is also expected to announce on Monday whether restaurants, malls, theaters, and stores can shift from operating at 25% capacity to operating at 50% capacity, The Dallas Morning News reported.
While Texas has reported a high number of new cases, it has had a lower death toll than states like New York and California — something Abbott attributed to the availability of hospital beds in the state, the Chronicle said. As of Saturday, 1,791 people were hospitalized in Texas, which had over 17,000 available hospital beds.
Texas has reported about 47,00 COVID-19 cases and 1,305 deaths, according to the state's health department.

[milwaukee mike]

noone knows how many accounts paulypoker has












we will never know the true number unless they get vaccinated and dont reproduce.....OOPs thats a democrat line referring to blacks

and now gates' buddies openly admit they want to get rid of whites because we're smart enough to not get vaccinated

[Emily_Haines]

and now gates' buddies openly admit they want to get rid of whites because we're smart enough to not get vaccinated

This will also solve the NFL minority hiring problem.

[milwaukee mike]

• Texas on Saturday reported 1,801 new COVID-19 infections, its highest single-day increase.
• More than 700 of the new cases came from the Amarillo area, in the Panhandle.
• Gov. Greg Abbott said he expected the number of positive cases to continue to rise as the state plans to increase testing in "most high-risk areas: nursing homes, meatpacking plants and jails."
• Abbott began relaxing the state's stay-at-home order on May 1 and is set to relax it further on Monday, allowing gyms and offices to open at 25% capacity.
• Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

Texas on Saturday reported its highest single-day increase in new COVID-19 infections as it continues to relax restrictions on businesses.
The Texas Department of State Health Services announced that 1,801 new people had been diagnosed with COVID-19 in the previous 24 hours. The Houston Chronicle reported on Saturday that the spike was due in part to a new outbreak in the Panhandle, with more than 700 cases reported in the city of Amarillo and attributed to meatpacking facilities in the region.
The Chronicle said that the number of new daily infections in Texas had been about 1,227 over the past week and that until Saturday the state had not seen a single-day increase larger than 1,500.
Gov. Greg Abbott said in a statement that he expected the number of new cases to continue to increase as the state plans to increase testing in "most high-risk areas: nursing homes, meatpacking plants and jails."
"That is exactly why I established Surge Response Teams," Abbott said. "By immediately deploying resources and supplies to these high risk areas, we will identify the positive cases, isolate the individuals and ensure any outbreak is quickly contained, which is the strategy being deployed in Amarillo."
Texas has also seen a spike in deaths. It reported 33 new deaths on Saturday, bringing the three-day total to 147 — the worst three-day span so far, according to the Chronicle. On Thursday it reported 58 deaths, its highest single-day death toll.
Abbott has relaxed restrictions forcing businesses to close to stem the spread of COVID-19. At the beginning of May, restaurants, malls, movie theaters, and stores were permitted to open at 25% capacity. On May 8, hair salons and barbershops could resume business.
Despite the increase in new cases, Abbott is expected to further relax restrictions on Monday, allowing gyms, offices, and nonessential manufacturing facilities to open.
Gyms can open at 25% capacity on Monday, though classes, locker rooms, and shower facilities will remain closed, according to The Dallas Morning News. Nonessential manufacturing can resume at 25% capacity. Office work can also resume, though with no more than five employees or 25% of the workforce, whichever is greater.
Abbott is also expected to announce on Monday whether restaurants, malls, theaters, and stores can shift from operating at 25% capacity to operating at 50% capacity, The Dallas Morning News reported.
While Texas has reported a high number of new cases, it has had a lower death toll than states like New York and California — something Abbott attributed to the availability of hospital beds in the state, the Chronicle said. As of Saturday, 1,791 people were hospitalized in Texas, which had over 17,000 available hospital beds.
Texas has reported about 47,00 COVID-19 cases and 1,305 deaths, according to the state's health department.

this is great... testing a bunch of PEOPLE WITH NO SYMPTOMS and they come back positive... so either the test is totally worthless/flawed, or we already have mass exposure to this disease which isn't nearly as bad or deadly as we were told

keep in mind that these cases only hit record numbers when they test a large amount of people... if we're gonna care about 33 deaths in texas out of 29 million then we might as well close the swimming pools and ban people from walking on staircases

[ByeShea]

this is great... testing a bunch of PEOPLE WITH NO SYMPTOMS and they come back positive... so either the test is totally worthless/flawed, or we already have mass exposure to this disease which isn't nearly as bad or deadly as we were told

Mothers giving birth in NYC are all tested for COVID now, as of a month ago 50% positive for the antibodies.

[milwaukee mike]

oops scientific american/rockefeller just let it slip out that the cdc overstates flu deaths every year by 1000% in order to sell more vaccines! but we should believe them about covid deaths lol

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/

While in the past it was justifiable to err on the side of substantially overestimating flu deaths, in order to encourage vaccination"

[Goat Milk]

Mike dodged my question hard

[fried cheese]

oops scientific american/rockefeller just let it slip out that the cdc overstates flu deaths every year by 1000% in order to sell more vaccines! but we should believe them about covid deaths lol

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/

While in the past it was justifiable to err on the side of substantially overestimating flu deaths, in order to encourage vaccination"

it doesnt seem like he offered a theory about what was killing more ppl in the winter though. unless the cdc made up all death statistics i guess. i would guess most ppl that die of the flu probably are in nursing homes and dont go to the hospital though.

[mezmurized2]

oops scientific american/rockefeller just let it slip out that the
cdc overstates flu deaths every year by 1000%
in order to sell more vaccines!

but we should believe them about covid deaths lol

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/

While in the past it was justifiable to err on the side of substantially overestimating flu deaths, in order to encourage vaccination"

Oh Mike..........Dude.

It's up to you, but it may be more beneficial to YOU
if you would take a minute or 2 to read the ENTIRE articles
before making contentious statements - for which you must
realize you will receive pushback.
I'm trying to be respectful here, so I will just toss the challenge flag
and raise a couple key issues in a reasonable way...
Quoting from the source you posted - Scientific American -
which appears to be a fair and moderate source:

"While in the past it was justifiable to err on the side of substantially overestimating flu deaths,
in order to encourage vaccination and good hygiene, ..."


The motive implied by the author and attributed to the CDC
was that it was to "encourage vaccination and good hygiene"

NOT to state/imply it was, as YOU allege: "to sell more vaccines!"

This is no small differnce either.
One implies actually caring about people's HEALTH,
while your's implies ulterior motives of PROFIT for CDC.
There is no evidence your allegation bears any real merit.

On the other point that CDC overstates flu deaths??
THATMAY INDEED be true, yes, but to make an allegation
that the motive is, "to sell more vaccines!" is falacious at best.


Your author takes issue ONLY WITH THE ANNUAL FLU "estimates"
not with how covid-19 is counted!!!

He makes it known that annual flu deaths are VERY DIFFICULT
to count accurately because so many go UNreported (from deaths
which occur at home -- not in a hospital) And that is because
typically the common flu does not seriously impair breathing to
the point the patient gets rushed to the hospital.
It DOES with covid-19.
Ergo, covid-19 deaths - which LARGELY occur in hospitals -
are easily counted (then the CDC adds estimates for the much
smaller population of anticipated deaths that DON'T occur in
hospitals.
But flu deaths typically DON'T occur IN HOSPITALS.
Some do, most don't. They are harder to count so the CDC -
in the interests of the public makes educated estimates.
I AM CERTAIN THEY make "educated" estimates" on covid-19
too but logically those numbers would be far smaller *because*
so many covid-19 rush to the hospital - where they die.
Do you see the difference?

It is NOT a perfect science. It's impossible to be 100% accurate
and educated estimates are required in lieu of PERFECT data.
They do the best they can under the circumstances.

Furthermore, having read the full article, it supports MY contentions
as illustrated here:

" In the last six flu seasons,
the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths — that is,
counting flu deaths the way we are counting deaths from coronavirus
—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620,
which (is) far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by
public officials and even public health experts."

You see what the author is doing here. he is NOT suggesting the
REAL number of deaths the CDC "estimate" is wrong - he just feels
the WAY they are coming up with an annual number *might* be off,
and more to the point, if one is going to draw a comparison between
flu and covid-19 THEN they MUST be counted in the same way --
not using the guesses being used for the sesoanl flu!

And he's RIGHT!

For comparative purposes we *MUST* compare numbers which are
counted the same way!
And he says, if we count the seasonal FLU the same way as we are
counting covid-19 (hospital death tallies) then we have to use the
hospital death tallies for the seasonal flu -- supposedly much
smaller numbers died in the hospital, ranged from 3,448 to 15,620
over the past 6 seasons.
Remember, MANY MORE flu deaths may well have occurred but
those are the deaths numbers from hospitalizations.
Then we can more accurately compare VERIFIABLE numbers,
and YOUR source goes on to state this:

If we incorrectly conclude that COVID-19 is “just another flu,”
we may retreat from strategies that appear to be working
in minimizing the speed of spread of the virus.

The question remains. Can we accurately compare the toll of
the flu to the toll of the coronavirus pandemic?
To do this,
we have to compare counted deaths to counted deaths, not
counted deaths (covid-19) to wildly inflated statistical estimates (flu)


If we compare, for instance, the number of people who died in the US
from COVID-19 in the second full week of April
to the number of people who died from influenza during the worst week of the past seven flu seasons (as reported to the CDC),

we find that the novel coronavirus killed between
9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu!!!
In other words, the coronavirus is not anything like the flu: It is much, much worse! "

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/

[milwaukee mike]

mezmurized, are you getting paid to chirp that stuff?

you keep mentioning "people who died from covid-19" but even the people responsible for those numbers say that they aren't people that DIED from covid-19, just people who may or may not have had enough rna to make a judgement that they might have had covid

“The case definition is very simplistic,” Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of Illinois Department of Public Health, explains. “It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means, technically even if you died of clear alternative cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it’s still listed as a COVID death.”

“if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” as Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, recently noted.

The Centers for Disease Control guidance explicitly acknowledges the uncertainty that doctors can face. When Coronavirus cases are “suspected,” they advise doctors that “it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate.”

the CDC’s “antiquated” accounting system is double counting cases and inflating mortality and case counts