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  • fearless
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    • 08-14-06
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    #1
    162 games to play a best of 5?
    The NBA changed their first round series to a best of seven format because it's a better indicator for determining the better team than a five game series. How about baseball....

    162 games to play a best of 5? This pisses me off. The best team frequently doesn't win in baseball so don't they need as many games as possible to determine the better team? What's going on here? Doesn't this bother anyone else?
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  • pokernut9999
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    • 07-25-07
    • 12757

    #2
    dumb as shit IMO
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    • marke4
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      • 11-27-06
      • 193

      #3
      i don't understand it either. It is just plain dumb. I bet they must of added 2 games to everyones schedule and decided to shorten the playoffs. Its all about what makes the most money.
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      • prop
        SBR MVP
        • 09-04-07
        • 1073

        #4
        I prefer the best of 5, but I also was against the wild card too.
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        • Willie Bee
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          • 02-14-06
          • 15726

          #5
          Originally posted by rainbowworld
          Doesn't this bother anyone else?
          Doesn't bother me one bit. In fact, I'd just as soon see the first round a best of three, LCS round best of five and not get to a best of seven until the Series. That will never happen, of course, taking away games, shortening any of the series. Are you a team owner or maybe a beer vendor and that's why you want the games added?
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          • fearless
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            • 08-14-06
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            #6
            Originally posted by Willie Bee
            Doesn't bother me one bit. In fact, I'd just as soon see the first round a best of three, LCS round best of five and not get to a best of seven until the Series. That will never happen, of course, taking away games, shortening any of the series. Are you a team owner or maybe a beer vendor and that's why you want the games added?
            Look at the NBA. They decided their teams shouldn't play 82 games to have to risk everything in a 5 game series. How about playing 162 and risking it all on a 5 game series? It upsets me because I feel like baseball is frequently like a coin flip... If you get a couple of coin flip games in a five game series than it's literally up in the air whether the better team will win the series. Not too say that can't happen in a seven game series, but the chances are much less...
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            • LT Profits
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              • 10-27-06
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              #7
              Well, if the World Series goes seven games this year, Game 7 will be on November 1. I guess they don't want to add more games and end up playing between the snowflakes.
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              • Rollins08
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                • 04-20-07
                • 1337

                #8
                Why not just start the season 2-3 days earlier and have the 7games?
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                • Willie Bee
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                  • 02-14-06
                  • 15726

                  #9
                  Originally posted by rainbowworld
                  If you get a couple of coin flip games in a five game series than it's literally up in the air whether the better team will win the series. Not too say that can't happen in a seven game series, but the chances are much less...
                  So the odds of a 'coin flip' game in a 5-game series is 40% (two out of five), but if it's a 7-game set those odds go down?

                  Do you also promote a best of three series for college basketball during March Madness? Clubs play 30 games, give or take, then put it all on the line in just one game in that sport. Should we go back to a best of nine World Series?

                  You're welcome to your opinion, as is everybody. I just happen to be against adding more games to the schedule. I'd love to see each MLB team host a 2-3 doubleheaders during the regular season. It ain't going to happen, at least twinbills like we had when I was growing up, due in part to owners don't want to give a game away for free and managers/players don't want to tax pitching more than it is already.
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                  • tblues2005
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                    • 07-30-06
                    • 9235

                    #10
                    I am for best of seven because it shows the better team won most of the time.
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                    • Willie Bee
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                      • 02-14-06
                      • 15726

                      #11
                      I'll continue in the role of devil's advocate for the moment...

                      Should the Padres, Rockies tiebreaker been more than one game?
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                      • jjgold
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                        • 07-20-05
                        • 388208

                        #12
                        Anyone can win the baseball playoffs, no such thing as a dominant team in that sport.
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                        • louisvillekid
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                          • 08-14-07
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by tblues2005
                          I am for best of seven because it shows the better team won most of the time.
                          what best of 5 and best of 3 do the same thing.
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                          • fearless
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                            • 08-14-06
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Willie Bee
                            I'll continue in the role of devil's advocate for the moment...

                            Should the Padres, Rockies tiebreaker been more than one game?
                            No, that wouldn't be logistically possible. However, if the NBA and NHL can have 7 game first round series, baseball should be ashamed to have a 5 game first round series, IMHO. The best team in the league could lose in the first round do to a fluky game or two. That's less likely to happen in a seven game series.
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                            • Willie Bee
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                              • 02-14-06
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by rainbowworld
                              No, that wouldn't be logistically possible.
                              Please explain why having those two teams play a best of three is not "logistically possible."

                              Baseball has nothing to be ashamed of with the way their current playoff system is set up.
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                              • fearless
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                                • 08-14-06
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Willie Bee
                                Please explain why having those two teams play a best of three is not "logistically possible."

                                Baseball has nothing to be ashamed of with the way their current playoff system is set up.
                                Because they would have game 1 on Monday, game 2 on Tuesday, and game 3 on Wednesday... right? The problem is that the divisional series starts on Wednesday. The only way to do it would be to have a doubleheader on Monday with game 3 (if necessary) on Tuesday... Then they would have to start the next series on Wednesday? The winner's whole pitching staff would be so tired they may as well forfeit the divisional series...
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                                • EJandV
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                                  • 08-03-07
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                                  #17
                                  We would not really ever know if it was any fact that lengthening a series in baseball would better serve the so called better team .

                                  Sometimes it would go to the dog sometimes the fav just like in the 5 game series .

                                  Obviously the fav would comeback and win the series because it was a 7 game series just like the dog would do the same on occassions ........ damn that is like thinking about a puzzle that is put together the same way but people have differing opinions about how you slide the puzzle pieces into the grooves .
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                                  • EJandV
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                                    • 08-03-07
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                                    #18
                                    Thank God for the RSox it was best of 7 and not 5 , now thats funnnnyyyyyy , a so called curse killed because of a manmade system of setting the playoffs and the WS up as best of 7
                                    What a bunch of bs .
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                                    • EJandV
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                                      • 08-03-07
                                      • 1491

                                      #19
                                      Rainbow , I would like best of 7 better though . It would prove who was better more often than not I would think (but I could not state that with real evidence) .
                                      Looking at the big picture of it , common sense would say best of 7 is a better indicator .

                                      We could of course make a side for both cases , looking at team by team strengths , longer series might favor certain teams more than others ...............
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                                      • fearless
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                                        • 08-14-06
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by EJandV
                                        We would not really ever know if it was any fact that lengthening a series in baseball would better serve the so called better team .

                                        Sometimes it would go to the dog sometimes the fav just like in the 5 game series .

                                        Obviously the fav would comeback and win the series because it was a 7 game series just like the dog would do the same on occassions ........ damn that is like thinking about a puzzle that is put together the same way but people have differing opinions about how you slide the puzzle pieces into the grooves .
                                        Come on, the NBA made this exact change several years ago because a seven game series is obviously a better way to determine the better team. I looked this up for this thread:

                                        " If MLB and the players union really want to improve the Division Series, they'll expand it to a best-of-seven series. Veteran mangers such as Joe Torre and Bobby Cox have been clamoring for the change for years because it's simply not fair that a team can play six months to be eliminated in three games. "I won't say it's not going to happen, but we just don't have the calendar time right now," says Selig. The commissioner adds he can go either way with a seven-gamer, or the current format. "Seven games is fair, but there is something very dramatic about the shorter series," he says.



                                        Maybe this is a real point of contention for me because I had it beat into my head when I grew up listening to Chick Hearn. He lobbied for years for the NBA to change the first round series to a best of seven format. He used to talk about that and the fact that a shooter who gets fouled shooting a three should get three free throws and a few other things. The three free throw rule for three point shooters was implemented while he was still alive, the playoff format was unfortunately only changed after he died.
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                                        • EJandV
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                                          • 08-03-07
                                          • 1491

                                          #21
                                          Best of 3 !!!

                                          Originally posted by Willie Bee
                                          I'll continue in the role of devil's advocate for the moment...

                                          Should the Padres, Rockies tiebreaker been more than one game?
                                          It would have been nice to have had them play a best of 3 series .
                                          Since sports is big business more than finding out the truth about something , we will never know if the Padres really belonged in the 07 postseason instead of the Rockies .

                                          Since it is big business it seems they would have wanted that extra money for the extra games ?
                                          Did that game in Col prove they were the better team and belong in the playoffs more so than the Padres ? Not even a little bit .

                                          Should MLB add instant replay to at the least extra inning games in wildcard elimination games and postseason ? if they did maybe the Rockies would still be at home right now getting ready to watch the Padres play the Phils .

                                          Conclusion : baseball has to be the biggest game of chance ever invented .
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                                          • fearless
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                                            • 08-14-06
                                            • 4950

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by EJandV
                                            Conclusion : baseball has to be the biggest game of chance ever invented .
                                            If it was a game of chance the Yankees wouldn't be in the playoffs for the 12th straight year. That stat really proves that the better teams win the majority of the time, imho.
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                                            • EJandV
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                                              • 08-03-07
                                              • 1491

                                              #23
                                              1 man control is good scenario

                                              Originally posted by rainbowworld
                                              If it was a game of chance the Yankees wouldn't be in the playoffs for the 12th straight year. That stat really proves that the better teams win the majority of the time, imho.
                                              Baseball is my favorite sport to bet on by far . When the starter I have to shut down the other team does just that , yeah it is $ .
                                              When my guy shuts out the other team through 8 but my teams offense cant score , when the bullpen blows it , when the ump is squeezing your starter , when your key blast misses the flag poll by an half an inch , your key hit misses the left field chalk by a foot , goes on and on ( esp with 2 dominant starting pitchers going against one another ) ........... there are too many scenarios where we have to label it as a game of chance big time .

                                              Because the Yanks happen to make the postseason 12 times in a row is in no way a reflection of the game NOT being a game of CHANCE all throughout the regular season .

                                              Being STREAKY is not the defintion of being CONSISTENT .
                                              They are opposites if anything .

                                              A game of inches = chance being a factor more often than not.

                                              Note : Looking at every game in the MLB in the last 10 years , chance played a factor all through out the game more so than any domination thing .
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                                              • EJandV
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                                                • 08-03-07
                                                • 1491

                                                #24
                                                New Batch of teams in the NL :

                                                Originally posted by rainbowworld
                                                If it was a game of chance the Yankees wouldn't be in the playoffs for the 12th straight year. That stat really proves that the better teams win the majority of the time, imho.
                                                The fact all 4 teams that made the playoffs in the NL last year are sitting at home watching from the couch this year would offset what you are saying big time .
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                                                • EJandV
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                                                  • 08-03-07
                                                  • 1491

                                                  #25
                                                  Yanks the 1 team returning to postseason :

                                                  Originally posted by rainbowworld
                                                  If it was a game of chance the Yankees wouldn't be in the playoffs for the 12th straight year. That stat really proves that the better teams win the majority of the time, imho.
                                                  The fact is only 1 team is returning to the playoffs from last year >>> yeah it is the Yanks .

                                                  No Tigers , As , Twins .
                                                  In the NL : No Cards , Mets , Dodgers or Padres .

                                                  Damn !!!!!
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                                                  • fearless
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by EJandV
                                                    Baseball is my favorite sport to bet on by far . When the starter I have to shut down the other team does just that , yeah it is $ .
                                                    When my guy shuts out the other team through 8 but my teams offense cant score , when the bullpen blows it , when the ump is squeezing your starter , when your key blast misses the flag poll by an half an inch , your key hit misses the left field chalk by a foot , goes on and on ( esp with 2 dominant starting pitchers going against one another ) ........... there are too many scenarios where we have to label it as a game of chance big time .

                                                    Because the Yanks happen to make the postseason 12 times in a row is in no way a reflection of the game NOT being a game of CHANCE all throughout the regular season .

                                                    Being STREAKY is not the defintion of being CONSISTENT .
                                                    They are opposites if anything .

                                                    A game of inches = chance being a factor more often than not.

                                                    Note : Looking at every game in the MLB in the last 10 years , chance played a factor all through out the game more so than any domination thing .
                                                    What you just described is why I dislike betting on baseball. I like sure things. lol I can't wait for the NBA to start. I bet money lines and there are usually great bets everyday and luck won't help the underdogs much, frequently.
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                                                    • fearless
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by EJandV
                                                      The fact is only 1 team is returning to the playoffs from last year >>> yeah it is the Yanks .

                                                      No Tigers , As , Twins .
                                                      In the NL : No Cards , Mets , Dodgers or Padres .

                                                      Damn !!!!!
                                                      I guess the Yankees are the exception to the rule. Talk about an amazing run, though. Twelve straight years... and they're talking about firing Torre no less...
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                                                      • BuddyBear
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                                                        • 08-10-05
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                                                        #28
                                                        The NBA moved there 1st round series to a best of 7 for financial reasons.....as it is, their playoffs drag. I feel 5 games is more than adequate.
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                                                        • EJandV
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                                                          #29
                                                          Baseball can be the favs getting the job done very easily .
                                                          If it does turn out like that in the first series we will kick ourself maybe , if we were not on the fav (so called favs here)

                                                          I sure wish I knew and could tell you what will occur .

                                                          Remember in the ncaab tournament this year all the favs were kickin azz, that was insane , sometimes it happens like that and when it does it is like a blink and it's over , just like I am typing about this right now . I will blink and I will be typing about the friggin super bowl , another words you have to JUMP ON IT WHILE ITS HERE , blink and it will be over .
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                                                          • fearless
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                                                            • 08-14-06
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by EJandV
                                                            Baseball can be the favs getting the job done very easily .
                                                            If it does turn out like that in the first series we will kick ourself maybe , if we were not on the fav (so called favs here)

                                                            I sure wish I knew and could tell you what will occur .

                                                            Remember in the ncaab tournament this year all the favs were kickin azz, that was insane , sometimes it happens like that and when it does it is like a blink and it's over , just like I am typing about this right now . I will blink and I will be typing about the friggin super bowl , another words you have to JUMP ON IT WHILE ITS HERE , blink and it will be over .
                                                            I was thinking about taking the Phillies and Red Sox to win tomorrow, how do you feel about them?
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                                                            • EJandV
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                                                              • 08-03-07
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                                                              #31
                                                              I like em .
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                                                              • fearless
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                                                                • 08-14-06
                                                                • 4950

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by EJandV
                                                                I like em .
                                                                Not the analysis I was hoping for but thanks. Are you betting on anything in the game ones?
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                                                                • EJandV
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                                                                  • 08-03-07
                                                                  • 1491

                                                                  #33
                                                                  All I have been typing ? No sense writting any analysis on those 2 games really . They speak for themselves I think .
                                                                  You can go against the grain in game 1 , and you would be doing just that .
                                                                  Is it more profitable or even anything positive about that 4 word sentence (going against thegrain) with these 2 games ? (going against the grain in game 1 with aces at home ?)

                                                                  I dont know of any real writeup that could convince me to like one team or the other here , who I like is basically inside me and has been created by participating in the baseball season every day since opening day .
                                                                  That could be bad too , haha .

                                                                  Thinking about doing those 2 on a 2 teamer .
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                                                                  • fearless
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                                                                    • 08-14-06
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by EJandV
                                                                    Thinking about doing those 2 on a 2 teamer .
                                                                    That's exactly what I was thinking of doing. It looks like the public is on both of those teams. The Phillies have been bet from -140 to -150 at some books. The Red Sox have been bet from -145 to -170 at some books. I usually get cold feet when that happens. Does it bother you when the team you like is being bet up?
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                                                                    • swifty
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                                                                      • 02-22-06
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by pokernut9999
                                                                      dumb as shit IMO
                                                                      Leave my best gf alone. wish she put the other pic up was much a sweetie.
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