Who here has seen Capitalism by Michael Moore?

[The Seer]

I know the guy is an extreme left winger. What's your take? I was gonna watch it tonight.

[Brock Landers]

Just rented it today, also plan on watching it tonight

[Grandmaster B]

I seen Sicko..oh man

[INVEGA MAN]

Let me know what u think about it

[Deuce]

Guy is a great manipulator. All biased though. No real bi-partisan views.

[Cougar Bait]

Yeah, I heard it was pretty good. A couple things always struck me as odd though.

1. If it weren't for Capitalism Michael Moore would be working at Blockbuster Video, not living in the Dakota (where John Lennon lived).



2. If Capitalism were so evil, why not let us all see your movie for free Michael? Oh yeah, you want to make money. "Moore himself is one of these ultra-wealthy few, with a net worth exceeding $50 million. On November 1, 2005, World Net Daily reported that the anti-capitalist Moore -- who had proudly declared "I don't own a single share of stock!" -- in fact owned tens of thousands of shares in U.S. stocks. Most notably, Moore owned more than 2,000 shares in Halliburton -- the gas and oil company he excoriated in his film Fahrenheit 9/11."

source for quoted material: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/i....asp?indid=899

[odusmykal]

I saw it when it first came out.. I enjoyed it.. But, i am a Moore fan.. I love the way he goes about proving his point.. If you liked any of his other films, you will like this one also.. Let me know what you think about it after you watch it..

[The Seer]

Guy is a great manipulator. All biased though. No real bi-partisan views.

I figured as much.

Yeah, I heard it was pretty good. A couple things always struck me as odd though.

1. If it weren't for Capitalism Michael Moore would be working at Blockbuster Video, not living in the Dakota (where John Lennon lived).

2. If Capitalism were so evil, why not let us all see your movie for free Michael? Oh yeah, you want to make money. "Moore himself is one of these ultra-wealthy few, with a net worth exceeding $50 million. On November 1, 2005, World Net Daily reported that the anti-capitalist Moore -- who had proudly declared "I don't own a single share of stock!" -- in fact owned tens of thousands of shares in U.S. stocks. Most notably, Moore owned more than 2,000 shares in Halliburton -- the gas and oil company he excoriated in his film Fahrenheit 9/11."

I agree Coug.

[pavyracer]

Yeah, I heard it was pretty good. A couple things always struck me as odd though.

1. If it weren't for Capitalism Michael Moore would be working at Blockbuster Video, not living in the Dakota (where John Lennon lived).

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2. If Capitalism were so evil, why not let us all see your movie for free Michael? Oh yeah, you want to make money. "Moore himself is one of these ultra-wealthy few, with a net worth exceeding $50 million. On November 1, 2005, World Net Daily reported that the anti-capitalist Moore -- who had proudly declared "I don't own a single share of stock!" -- in fact owned tens of thousands of shares in U.S. stocks. Most notably, Moore owned more than 2,000 shares in Halliburton -- the gas and oil company he excoriated in his film Fahrenheit 9/11."

source for quoted material: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/i....asp?indid=899

You are confusing corporate capitalism with individual success. Michael Moore didn't have to fire 10,000 people to make his money like the corporate capitalists he goes after in his movies.

[The Seer]

You are confusing corporate capitalism with individual success. Michael Moore didn't have to fire 10,000 people to make his money like the corporate capitalists he goes after in his movies.

I see your point Pavy.

[Brock Landers]

Cougar, are you sure he lives in the Dakota? I find that hard to believe

[statnerds]

You are confusing corporate capitalism with individual success. Michael Moore didn't have to fire 10,000 people to make his money like the corporate capitalists he goes after in his movies.

and to prove his point of how evil making money is and how he hates capitalism he decided instead of boycotts or staying out of the market, to make money. so by purchasing the stock he isn't endorsing the methods management took to create profits for their shareholders?

i hate nothing more in this world than "do as i say, not as i do" mother fukkers. most of the time they are libs for some reason.

[BatemanPatrickl]

Can't stand this walrus. He should donate all of the money he makes if he hates "the man" so much. Classic example of talking the talk but not walking the walk.

[Terrapin Station]

Cougar, are you sure he lives in the Dakota? I find that hard to believe

Last I heard, he lives full-time in Flint now. Moved away from NYC. Also, I believe that his foundation had Halliburton stock, not him personally. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.

[Cougar Bait]

Cougar, are you sure he lives in the Dakota? I find that hard to believe

He lives in a million-dollar apartment, and boasts of that as well. "I walk among them. I live on the island of Manhattan, a three-mile-wide strip of land that is luxury home and corporate suite to America's elite..... Those who run your life live in my neighborhood. I walk in the streets with them each day" (Michael Moore, Stupid White Men, p. 51). For vacations, he keeps another million-dollar beachfront house in Michigan.

He supplements his meager income with speaking tours. No more $750 gigs; on his 2004 pre-election tour he charged Utah Valley State College $40,000, Xavier $25,000, and University of New Mexico $35,000. Not bad for an hour or two's work.

Ah, the joys of Capitalism....

[statnerds]

Cougar, i fukkin love you man. nice research there my man.

[pavyracer]

A million dollar house is not luxury. A 10 million dollar yacht or a Gulfstream jet is luxury. Is he supposed to be living in a trailer park? Anyone who thinks owning a million dollar house is equivalent to supporting capitalism is ignorant.

[Boner_18]

Never seen it. Don't really like Moore and his in your face style.

[Cougar Bait]

A million dollar house is not luxury. A 10 million dollar yacht or a Gulfstream jet is luxury. Is he supposed to be living in a trailer park? Anyone who thinks owning a million dollar house is equivalent to supporting capitalism is ignorant.

Is anyone who has a net worth of more than 50 million dollars NOT a Capitalist then?

I mean, is that your argument Paver?

[pavyracer]

Is anyone who has a net worth of more than 50 million dollars NOT a Capitalist then?

I mean, is that your argument Paver?

He is a celebrity now. He can't be living where he used to when he was making 30k a year and was virtually unknown. I'm sure he needs the 50 million to finance his films and projects. He is not like Jay Leno owning thousands of cars or like P.Diddy buying 100k watches and bling bling. There are subdivisions 1/2 a mile from my house with million dollar houses. A million dollar house is not buying you much of a house these days. He still wears $20 jeans and flannel shirts and $5 hats.

[robmpink]

is it good?

[Boner_18]

I find it interesting that one of the worlds most famous free-market capitalists, Warren Buffet, lives in a modest 5 bedroom house that he purchased about 50 years ago for 30k.

[teaserpleaser]

yes its good. Flint Mi is a mess.

[pavyracer]

I find it interesting that one of the worlds most famous free-market capitalists, Warren Buffet, lives in a modest 5 bedroom house that he purchased about 50 years ago for 30k.

Exactly. Money hasn't changed him. He still leaves in Omaha which is so cold in the winter where he could have been living in Palm Beach, FL. I bet you he spends $10 for his lunch every day.

[The Seer]

is it good?

interesting so far, some good parts about some crooked judges and pilots on food stamps

[Bluehorseshoe]

Some of you guys just don't get him. He's a PATRIOT in the truest sense. If you watch the movie, he's not all out against capitalism. He's about making money the honest way. He's against the greed that Wall Street has and how they use things that create wealth that have no substance. Wall street makes money from every angle and truly doesn't care about the consequences. They've created an angle called "dirivatives" that the average prosecutor couldn't understand unless you went to Harvard, so who could press charges. It's legalized stealing. If you watched 60 minutes last week, you'd know how disgusting these people truly are.

These ****ers on Wall Street should be seriously shot for what they've done and instead, keep getting big bonuses off of your tax payers money.

[Grandmaster B]

Some of you guys just don't get him. He's a PATRIOT in the truest sense. If you watch the movie, he's not all out against capitalism. He's about making money the honest way. He's against the greed that Wall Street has and how they use things that create wealth that have no substance. Wall street makes money from every angle and truly doesn't care about the consequences. They've created an angle called "directives" that the average prosecutor couldn't understand so a prosecutor so unless you went to Harvard, who could anyone press charges. It's legalized stealing. If you watched 60 minutes last week, you'd know how disgusting these people truly are.

These ****ers on Wall Street should be serously shot for what they've done and instead, keep getting big bonuses off of your tax payers money.

[Cougar Bait]

Nobody ever actually answers my questions. I never said he should be living where he used to live when he was poor.

Doesn't anyone else find it extremely hypocritical to do an anti-Capitalism movie when your net worth is 50 million dollars as a result of the Capitalist society you live in?

[Bluehorseshoe]

Nobody ever actually answers my questions. I never said he should be living where he used to live when he was poor. Doesn't anyone else find it extremely hypocritical to do an anti-Capitalism movie when your net worth is 50 million dollars as a result of the Capitalist society you live in?

You didn't see the film. He's not against Capitalism. He's against Capitalism in it's lowest form. People getting rich off of creating nothing.

[wtf]

good post horseshoe

[mrmarket]

Don't confuse capitalism with what happens on wall street. I think the more appropriate term is looting shareholders. Corporate management does not deserve the high salaries and golden parachutes they receive simply because they do not add enough value toward the shareholder. I would find it hard to argue that anyone besides a few CEO's that add long term value to their corporation (see berkshire umbrella CEO's) deserve such compensation schemes. In fact if you look at the CEO's buffett employs they are paid less than the average CEO yet they provide much more value.

That being said I don't hate Moore's movie because he does attack the looters and not the capitalists. There is no doubt in my mind that he is a huge hypocrite though as he supports the very people he rails against albeit secretively (as pointed out earlier in the thread).

The only pure capitalist is the guy selling merchandise he purchased out the trunk of his car. He has no regulations and pays no taxes. His only barometer is the market. Society usually calls these people bums though. Something to think about.

[Cougar Bait]

You didn't see the film. He's not against Capitalism. He's against Capitalism in it's lowest form. People getting rich off of creating nothing.

Cool. That sounds like a really great movie.

Collectivization.

[pavyracer]

Some of you guys just don't get him. He's a PATRIOT in the truest sense. If you watch the movie, he's not all out against capitalism. He's about making money the honest way. He's against the greed that Wall Street has and how they use things that create wealth that have no substance. Wall street makes money from every angle and truly doesn't care about the consequences. They've created an angle called "dirivatives" that the average prosecutor couldn't understand unless you went to Harvard, so who could press charges. It's legalized stealing. If you watched 60 minutes last week, you'd know how disgusting these people truly are.

These ****ers on Wall Street should be seriously shot for what they've done and instead, keep getting big bonuses off of your tax payers money.

Don't confuse capitalism with what happens on wall street. I think the more appropriate term is looting shareholders. Corporate management does not deserve the high salaries and golden parachutes they receive simply because they do not add enough value toward the shareholder. I would find it hard to argue that anyone besides a few CEO's that add long term value to their corporation (see berkshire umbrella CEO's) deserve such compensation schemes. In fact if you look at the CEO's buffett employs they are paid less than the average CEO yet they provide much more value.

That being said I don't hate Moore's movie because he does attack the looters and not the capitalists. There is no doubt in my mind that he is a huge hypocrite though as he supports the very people he rails against albeit secretively (as pointed out earlier in the thread).

The only pure capitalist is the guy selling merchandise he purchased out the trunk of his car. He has no regulations and pays no taxes. His only barometer is the market. Society usually calls these people bums though. Something to think about.

If I had points I would give you some but I'm not a points capitalist like Cougar Bait.

[Bluehorseshoe]

The only pure capitalist is the guy selling merchandise he purchased out the trunk of his car. He has no regulations and pays no taxes. His only barometer is the market. Society usually calls these people bums though. Something to think about.

Or the guy who's has a company that physically creates something that people might want. That's what they made this country great.

Not the greedy c-suckers who have no problem playing $50,000 a box Super Bowl box pools, because it doesn't mean anything to them. They'll get it back off BS tomorrow.

[Grandmaster B]

Don't confuse capitalism with what happens on wall street. I think the more appropriate term is looting shareholders. Corporate management does not deserve the high salaries and golden parachutes they receive simply because they do not add enough value toward the shareholder. I would find it hard to argue that anyone besides a few CEO's that add long term value to their corporation (see berkshire umbrella CEO's) deserve such compensation schemes. In fact if you look at the CEO's buffett employs they are paid less than the average CEO yet they provide much more value.

That being said I don't hate Moore's movie because he does attack the looters and not the capitalists. There is no doubt in my mind that he is a huge hypocrite though as he supports the very people he rails against albeit secretively (as pointed out earlier in the thread).

The only pure capitalist is the guy selling merchandise he purchased out the trunk of his car. He has no regulations and pays no taxes. His only barometer is the market. Society usually calls these people bums though. Something to think about.