Philosophy College Class and Gambling

[SamsNCharge99]

Boys from 8-915 this morning, I was in Philosophy class

The teacher always starts us off w/ a philosophical question and we discuss it for a little bit. Today, we discussed it all class.

Does everyone desire good things from themselves, or do some people desire themselves what is bad??

Does anyone desire what is bad, knowing it is bad, and want it nonetheless??

We talked about smoking, suicide, drinking and stuff, but the =n gambling came up and not by me.

I didn't say one word in class about the subject.

See, we gamblers desire something that is BAD, which is the thrill of gambling and the thrill of winning/losing money. But it's a bad thing to thrill and when it comes down to it, you are never satisfied.

You win, GREAT, but you want to win more. $100 isn't enough to win, you want $200 now. You win $200, but now you want $400.

Losing is same, you lose $100, you try to win it back. You bet $200 when you shouldn't.

You are playing to lose money, not playing to win.

You desire gambling which is bad, you know it's bad, but you want to do it nonetheless.

It's as if you are in a lose/lose situation and you don't care about it. If you win, you are not happy b/c you want to win more. If you lose, it's as expected, but still you throw more money down to lose more or try to win it all back.

After examination of cases of desiring, when it appears that something bad is desired, that thing both good + bad ( positive + negative) aspects, and while the objects as a whole is described, it is the good aspect which are desired by the individual, and not the bad.

We want only the good from gambling, even if it is bad, we want to think that what we are doing is good.

Philosophy class has given me a lot of thought on gambling and life and other aspects, good class.

Then we go to the bull shit we have to learn and it brings me back to reality and why the fukk am I in this class.

But thought this needed to be brought to the boards....it's a good thing to think about.

Enjoy the day Gentleman and Ladies

[FishFace5]

. Good discussion.

[harlee71]

I think you were in a GA meeting.

[SamsNCharge99]

I think you were in a GA meeting.

i didn't say a word

in fact of the ppl talking I was trying to see who they were so I could talk to them after class so maybe we could start gambling together, lol

i was recruiting fellow gamblers

[G's pks]

I think you were in a GA meeting.

I hope so...

[minet123]

Boiled down
It's not about winning or loosing
It's the action

[Justin7]

Huh? Gambling is a means of wealth creation. It is a way of extracting money from companies with inferior math skills.

Gambling is almost reverse-socialism - it takes from the dumb, gives to the smart. The dumb includes players, and often sportsbooks.

[Sawyer]

Huh? Gambling is a means of wealth creation. It is a way of extracting money from companies with inferior math skills.

Gambling is almost reverse-socialism - it takes from the dumb, gives to the smart. The dumb includes players, and often sportsbooks.

Well said..

[wal66]

Huh? Gambling is a means of wealth creation. It is a way of extracting money from companies with inferior math skills.

Gambling is almost reverse-socialism - it takes from the dumb, gives to the smart. The dumb includes players, and often sportsbooks.

Justin I am surprised at your response in this thread. You and those like yourself (meaning math guys) do not approach this from a gambling perspective. You are logical thinking math based guys and this is a form of "investing" for your kind. What the math guys do and the mental approach to what they do is vastly different from that of a typical gambler. Your approaches are fundamentally different to the games and the action. While it is true in many situations you are investing on the same sides as others are gambling the mindset and the approaches and ultimately the results will be handled differently.

[G's pks]

wal...do you need your points?

[wal66]

I don't care about points G's. I give them out freely when the mood strikes me or someone does something kind for another or says something meaningful or funny.

[G's pks]

I don't care about points G's. I give them out freely when the mood strikes me or someone does something kind for another or says something meaningful or funny.

ok i posted a clown in sammys slinky thread take a look..

[G's pks]

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/339361-slinky-video-part-2-more-tricks.html

[Pecos Bill]

Huh? Gambling is a means of wealth creation. It is a way of extracting money from companies with inferior math skills.

Gambling is almost reverse-socialism - it takes from the dumb, gives to the smart. The dumb includes players, and often sportsbooks.

If you were smart you wouldn't be gambling. Gamblers are nothing but lazy,unmotivated people who want to make money without lifting a finger.

[Trucker George]

Disagree. I bet on sports to make money. That's pretty much the beginning and end of it for me.

If you are a gambling addict then perhaps your argument is more persuasive, but I would still point out that what is "bad" is not gambling but instead the pathological manner in which the addict gambles, which is an important difference.

[Dunder]

Justin I am surprised at your response in this thread. You and those like yourself (meaning math guys) do not approach this from a gambling perspective. You are logical thinking math based guys and this is a form of "investing" for your kind. What the math guys do and the mental approach to what they do is vastly different from that of a typical gambler. Your approaches are fundamentally different to the games and the action. While it is true in many situations you are investing on the same sides as others are gambling the mindset and the approaches and ultimately the results will be handled differently.

It is gambling nonetheless, Wal.

Even the most meticulous, disciplined and calculated approach will encounter bad runs and significant losses as a result. In the long run it is true that the "investor" will generally profit whilst the roll of the dice type gambler will almost certainly lose but anytime you are willing to put down money on an outcome over which you have no control or influence, it is a gamble.

[G's pks]

If you were smart you wouldn't be gambling. Gamblers are nothing but lazy,unmotivated people who want to make money without lifting a finger.

You still going out with that girl this weekend...did you get that viagra you were looking for...or that stay hard cream?

[Sawyer]

If you were smart you wouldn't be gambling. Gamblers are nothing but lazy,unmotivated people who want to make money without lifting a finger.

Sports Bettors are very hard working people

Do you know how much time I spend to study Saturday NCAA Card? LoL!

You may be right about gamblers but I'm talking about bettors here. Yes, Gambling and Betting are different things in my book..

Of course not all the bettors are same. Most of them are lazy people as you mentioned. However, some of them are EXTREMELY disciplined, hard working and EXTREMELY motivated people. Motivated to make money on the long run!

[wal66]

Dunder, I agree that it is still a gamble just as investing in anything when the outcome is speculative is a gamble. However I still contend the approaches and the management are different. Maybe where I should draw the destinction is seperating them into further groupings. Would you agree that there are gamblers who take a more professional approach and while they may endure the same swings as the common gambler they are able to adapt and adjust to those fluctuation in a more controlled manner than say that of your average degenerate?

In Sammy's example it dealt primarily with the addiction to the action. The results matter little because the wins are not enough and the losses only create a need to lose more. Now I defended the math guys as being more like investors than gamblers. That isn't to say that there are investors out there that are more addicted to the action as well and will take huge risk to make potentially large scores. There are degenerate investors just as much as there are degenerate gamblers.


For the record I am neither. I am a degenerate hobbiest.

So yes gambling is gambling but the approaches and the aftermath of the results differ.

[DrStale]

Sammy, what is it going to take for you to realize you shouldn't be gambling?

[Dunder]

Dunder, I agree that it is still a gamble just as investing in anything when the outcome is speculative is a gamble. However I still contend the approaches and the management are different. Maybe where I should draw the destinction is seperating them into further groupings. Would you agree that there are gamblers who take a more professional approach and while they may endure the same swings as the common gambler they are able to adapt and adjust to those fluctuation in a more controlled manner than say that of your average degenerate?

In Sammy's example it dealt primarily with the addiction to the action. The results matter little because the wins are not enough and the losses only create a need to lose more. Now I defended the math guys as being more like investors than gamblers. That isn't to say that there are investors out there that are more addicted to the action as well and will take huge risk to make potentially large scores. There are degenerate investors just as much as there are degenerate gamblers.

For the record I am neither. I am a degenerate hobbiest.

So yes gambling is gambling but the approaches and the aftermath of the results differ.

I agree with everything that you have written Wal, however I also believe that, with very few exceptions, even the most disciplined numbers guy involved in sports betting shares certain traits with the degenerate that you don´t find in, say stock investors.

There are so many cases, I have witnessed some, of bettors going winning year, winning year, winning year............... kaboooom! This might be something as simple as stock investing being a positive sum proposition, whereas sportsbetting is at best zero sum, I think however that it is more likely that whatever gene or chemical imbalance, that draws us to sportsbetting in the first place is also responsible for the tendency go ´on tilt´.

[wal66]

Love talking philosphy with someone who gets it Dunder. Point and counter points and everybody is happy.

[G's pks]

Sammy, what is it going to take for you to realize you shouldn't be gambling?

sooner or later dad says no to the checkbook!

[ezmoney]

Where else can you make TAX FREE money without working??? Drugs, Prostitution, Loan sharking????
Wayne Root seems to be living well, however, if you keep losing, you go out of business.

EZ

[thechaoz]

Well I definitely know more people who lost hundreds of thousands in the market but never even close to that much "gambling" I love how people I know say stocks are fine but poker/betting sports is gambling. LOL ya they are different because I somewhat control my own fate as where some fat cat at AIG is pushing my money around where it may roam.

[bigbank]

i didn't say a word

in fact of the ppl talking I was trying to see who they were so I could talk to them after class so maybe we could start gambling together, lol

i was recruiting fellow gamblers

handicapping the class whilst they discuss gambling....nice

[Pecos Bill]

Sports Bettors are very hard working people Do you know how much time I spend to study Saturday NCAA Card? LoL! You may be right about gamblers but I'm talking about bettors here. Yes, Gambling and Betting are different things in my book.. Of course not all the bettors are same. Most of them are lazy people as you mentioned. However, some of them are EXTREMELY disciplined, hard working and EXTREMELY motivated people. Motivated to make money on the long run!

LOL at you trying to justify being a gambler.

[DrStale]

LOL at you trying to justify being a gambler.

LOL at Pecos talking down to Justin and Sawyer.