Why are points stiffs allowed to participate in contests?

[pavyracer]

People get banned for using a single word inappropriately but points stiffs are allowed to enter contests?

Why doesn't SBR hand infractions or banishments to point stiffs banning them from future contests?

[SamsNCharge99]

[SBR Lou]

Directly from the FAQ section pertaining to user forum contests:

Posters are also free to engage in their own ‘head-to-head’ contests or track records of their fellow handicappers. However, SBR cannot and will not organize, oversee nor mediate any of the unofficial contests and challenges.

If you want to ensure that your point wagers or contest play is always honored, play with SBRpicks & SBR Book.

[SamsNCharge99]

bet w/ Mexican Stallion ONLY

[pavyracer]

But shouldn't it be a complaint form for posters who get stiffed so they can file a complaint with SBR and then SBR should contact an investigation and hand appropriate punishments to offenders? What stops someone from stiffing over and over? Isn't stiffing a violation of the sign up agreement and the code of forum conduct?

[onthewhat]

Paver if you dont want to be stiffed play with sbr picks and sbr book

Are you seriously this fukkin dumb? SBR does not have fukkin time to monitor 5 point bets between guys on the forum

Paver think son

[pavyracer]

I'm not talking about me being stiffed. I'm talking about SBR sponsored contests. If someone is a stiff and has been reported as a points stiff he shouldn't be allowed to enter SBR sponsored contests.

[RogueScholar]

Pavy, you have to realize that SBR has no intention of excluding ayone from contests, they want to get as many people getting sportsbook accounts through their click-through links as possible. I'm sure even if a poster raped another poster's wife, they'd invite him to play in contests still, especially if he didn't have an account at that book to begin with. Money talks at SBR, everything else walks.

[DrStale]

Looks like the SBR orientation where they teach you how to alienate posters is going nicely OTW.

This shouldn't even be a discussion, point stiffs don't get to play, simple as that.

[pokernut9999]

Why not , they let cheaters keep playing in contests.

[SBR_John]

I think SBR does not want any part of private disputes. When guys play outside of SBR they run the risk of being stiffed. They know in advance that SBR will not get involved in any way if there is a dispute or no pay including censoring the alleged stiff.

[SBR Lou]

This shouldn't even be a discussion, point stiffs don't get to play, simple as that.

Posters that are banned or restricted from SBR are not able to participate in contests - so the theory that SBR will accept all players with an account is inaccurate.

Contest entries cannot be screened based on whether or not a group of posters have labeled that person a 'points stiff'.

[pokernut9999]

I'm not talking about me being stiffed. I'm talking about SBR sponsored contests. If someone is a stiff and has been reported as a points stiff he shouldn't be allowed to enter SBR sponsored contests.

Gavin cheated to win the 64 man contest and they let him play and win another contest.


Why would they treat point stiffs any different ?

[stevek173]

I agree with the concept of this but also SBR should not have to do the work of overseeing points situations.
Let's just flame away at stiffers in contests every chance we get

[pavyracer]

I think SBR does not want any part of private disputes. When guys play outside of SBR they run the risk of being stiffed. They know in advance that SBR will not get involved in any way if there is a dispute or no pay including censoring the alleged stiff.

But since SBR is managing the points system they should investigate point stiff complaints. When people who get stiffed see points stiffs enter contests and win prizes and then continue doing forum business without paying their debts it leads posters to leave the forum and question the integrity of the forum.

Something needs to be done.

[pokernut9999]

Damn Pavy you dont get it

They allow cheating , do you think they give damn about point stiffers

[Lost Angel]

Because for SBR to regulate such, "conduct investigations" as you suggest on every (reported) point stiff, would be very time consuming and the effort would accomplish nothing worthwhile for SBR. Also it would open a doorway to abuse wherein a poster could falsely report just because they dislike another poster or just because there was a simple misunderstanding during the creation of a "wager" between two posters, i.e. one thought wager was "on", other did not.

Most immediately the elimination of Ghost accounts (IMO) would be a better focus for SBR but then almost anything would be a better use of SBR's time than mediating point disputes.

Amongst a crowd this large there will always be a few guys that have no honor, no dignity, just the way that it is. Overpopulation Baby, depletion of the gene pool, very young people + extremely poor parenting. Add all this up and it equals that there will be a few amongst us here (and everywhere) of very poor character.

[Swinging Johnson]

But since SBR is managing the points system they should investigate point stiff complaints. When people who get stiffed see points stiffs enter contests and win prizes and then continue doing forum business without paying their debts it leads posters to leave the forum and question the integrity of the forum.

Something needs to be done.

Yes, something does need to be done. Perhaps we can all tell you that SBR cannot monitor private disputes in a language other than English because clearly you're not comprehending or understanding that concept as it is explained in agonizing detail to you in our native tongue. Here, let's try Moronese. USE GOTTA TAKE KAIR OV YER OWN BIZNESS. SBR IZ NOT YOUR MUTTA OR DA POLEECE. Now pavy, put your big boy pants on and take care of your own affairs. SBR has neither the time nor the inclination to get caught up in your little soap operas.

[PDW]

Yes, something does need to be done. Perhaps we can all tell you that SBR cannot monitor private disputes in a language other than English because clearly you're not comprehending or understanding that concept as it is explained in agonizing detail to you in our native tongue. Here, let's try Moronese. USE GOTTA TAKE KAIR OV YER OWN BIZNESS. SBR IZ NOT YOUR MUTTA OR DA POLEECE. Now pavy, put your big boy pants on and take care of your own affairs. SBR has neither the time nor the inclination to get caught up in your little soap operas.

[pavyracer]

You do realize that it is not into the best interest of sportbooks who advertise here to get sign ups from people who have no money or any intention of ever depositing. These point stiffs are also deadbeats who can't afford to post up and pay at a book. So by allowing them to enter contests freely you are waisting sportbook resources that can be used better to attract posters who have the financial ability to fund offshore accounts and make profit for both the sportbook and affiliate money for SBR. SBR makes no affiliate money from point stiffs who don't post up and in the rare event they win a prize and win some money from the sportbook the sportbook loses twice.

It appears that forum integrity is not important in your little soap opera battles.

[williams22]

I wish something could be done. There are some posters who have stiffed hundreds of points and laugh when it is brought to their attention, yet enter every contest possible (icsky3 and whatsgood5 to name a few).

[SBR_John]

Its not a money thing. If guys want to play their points safely they can play with SBR. If they want to take some risks they can play on the black market, black market rules apply.

[pavyracer]

I wish something could be done. There are some posters who have stiffed hundreds of points and laugh when it is brought to their attention, yet enter every contest possible (icsky3 and whatsgood5 to name a few).

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Holy Cow! Williams22 has a dozen stiffs on his signature! Ban him SBR John. He is bad mouthing your affiliate money.

[smitch124]

Chicks dig point stiffs...

[Mr KLC]

I just play with SBR. If I win, I know I'm getting paid.

[obamaismyuncle]

Borrowing points is pathetic enough and to think some people are stiffing others on point loans...

Seriously points are worth around what 6 cents apiece...its really pathetic.

[SBR_John]

I just play with SBR. If I win, I know I'm getting paid.

Its very cool that this is kind of the Wild West with points. Try setting up a blackjack table in front of the Golden Nugget and then ask the Nugget for their security help when someone runs off with the chips. ...that analaogy turned out pretty good.

[obamaismyuncle]

Its very cool that this is kind of the Wild West with points. Try setting up a blackjack table in front of the Golden Nugget and then ask the Nugget for their security help when someone runs off with the chips. ...that analaogy turned out pretty good.

[MexicanStallion]

Borrowing points is pathetic enough and to think some people are stiffing others on point loans...

Seriously points are worth around what 6 cents apiece...its really pathetic.

Yet people still stiff other posters for them. Hilarious. The one thing you know about a point stiff is that they are a loser though. They clearly could not win and keep any amount of points. They are for the most part no threat in any contest.

[obamaismyuncle]

Its not SBR's job to worry about point stiffs...By borrowing points to people you are putting yourself in a situation that you could be stiffed, why is that SBR's problem? Don't borrow points, don't loan points, and only play with SBR's book and theirs nothing at all to worry about.

[pavyracer]

Its very cool that this is kind of the Wild West with points. Try setting up a blackjack table in front of the Golden Nugget and then ask the Nugget for their security help when someone runs off with the chips. ...that analaogy turned out pretty good.

So if the security guard sees the thief but does nothing because it's not Golden Nugget's business but then a few hours later the thief comes to the Nugget to claim a free play at the sportbook should he let him in the premises?

[obamaismyuncle]

Yet people still stiff other posters for them. Hilarious. The one thing you know about a point stiff is that they are a loser though. They clearly could not win and keep any amount of points. They are for the most part no threat in any contest.

Only 2 point books I would ever use, SBR's book and MexicanStallion's book. It is true though if people are having to borrow points, they are no threat. Keep up the great work Stallion

[obamaismyuncle]

So if the security guard sees the thief but does nothing because it's not Golden Nugget's business but then a few hours later the thief comes to the Nugget to claim a free play at the sportbook should he let him in the premises?

[oiler]

thats exactly what i think.its bad enough lending money out but when someone begs to borrow points knowing that if they lose it will take forever to repay.not only the the borrower need a kick in his ass but so does the lender too

[Swinging Johnson]

You do realize that it is not into the best interest of sportbooks who advertise here to get sign ups from people who have no money or any intention of ever depositing. These point stiffs are also deadbeats who can't afford to post up and pay at a book. So by allowing them to enter contests freely you are waisting sportbook resources that can be used better to attract posters who have the financial ability to fund offshore accounts and make profit for both the sportbook and affiliate money for SBR. SBR makes no affiliate money from point stiffs who don't post up and in the rare event they win a prize and win some money from the sportbook the sportbook loses twice.

It appears that forum integrity is not important in your little soap opera battles.

Pavy, if you want someone to ferret out who is right and who is wrong in a dispute over points, I have to tell you, it may be time for you to get a job and occupy your time. We're talking about POINTS, not even money. And you want SBR to do an internal audit of your deals with other posters over, again let me repeat, points? Are you high? No seriously, are you hittin' the pipe? I think your new name should be Chris Telmeth because you either gotta stop smoking or stop whining.