Why are points stiffs allowed to participate in contests?

[Glitch]

morals vs. laws

at your own risk kinda thing. sucks but thats the way it is- what goes around comes around right? karma

[StraitShooter]

"What happened with iwutitan, Williams? I thought it was you that he owed...maybe not but if so did he ever repay?" quote lost angel

it was thad he screwed for 50..the friendly neighborhood loanster

[Dunder]

Nah I say they keep their laissez-faire approach

It is ironic that I actually agree with Whatsgood5 on this.

Whilst I have probably been stiffed more than anyone else on the board, I am aware of the risks involved and don´t think that it is an efficient use of SBR resources to involve themselves with private dealings between posters.

I would much rather see SBR deal with the blatant, widespread and obvious "ghosts" which at the end of the day abuse the points system and ultimately affect all of us.

Just my 0.02

[poochiecollins]

Why not creating a system for betting between individuals that includes a points vig to SBR and/or a loan tool that also includes a cut for SBR? Why would this NOT be a good idea?

[magynuck]

I have to agree with Pavy here. For the most part the most common argument to keep allowing these people in contests is that SBR has neither the time nor is it their mandate to police private points agreements. I agree 100% that it is not SBR's job to do that but I am going to make the assumption that the mods occasionally read the forum(I know a bit of a stretch). I am not talking about having a mechanism in place to hear individual complaints. I am saying use some common sense when you see people actively scamming people and laughing/bragging about it.

On the other hand I would not expect help for myself as Dunder has mentioned. These people fit into the same category as the drunks/bums who cross and stop traffic. If their life is so pathetic that this is all they can do to feel good about themselves then I am glad to help in some small way to brighten their meagre existence.

[Lost Angel]

OK I have the solution.

Points stiffs can compete in contests. Prior to the issue of points to winners in ANY SBR Contest however a check will be made of Credit Reports to see if winners are KNOWN STIFFS.

"Investigation" would not require alot of time, hardly any at all really.

If they are known stiffs, points and or other payout will be withheld.

Ya'll decide what to do with it.

Stipulation added to overall "Terms and Conditions" of SBR Membership that if you owe points within the community you will not be paid for contest wins.


problem solved.

[SBR_John]

Why not creating a system for betting between individuals that includes a points vig to SBR and/or a loan tool that also includes a cut for SBR? Why would this NOT be a good idea?

It is a very good idea. SBR will compete with the black market in all respects in time. It takes SBR a good while to plan and build lets say a sportsbook or a loan department. Hopefully the black market will keep SBR in check by providing competition. SBR will have a huge advantage in being triple AAA quality where as the black market will have better pricing. But as this thread shows, SBR will not be judge, jury or special investigator for the black market.

[rake922]

Pavy, you have to realize that SBR has no intention of excluding ayone from contests, they want to get as many people getting sportsbook accounts through their click-through links as possible. I'm sure even if a poster raped another poster's wife, they'd invite him to play in contests still, especially if he didn't have an account at that book to begin with. Money talks at SBR, everything else walks.

[GamblingFrankie]

Because points stiffs are better than honest people who happen to post from the same IP address.

[Swinging Johnson]

This thread by Pavy is a non issue. SBR has no intention to police the bets made between posters nor should they. It's not going to happen now or in the future. Let's consider this matter closed as it should never have been opened to begin with. However, after going 2-0 with Marquette and the Jazz yesterday, I feel it is my obligation to release today's winners here http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Spor...ok=CaribSports

[Lost Angel]

winners here http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Spor...ok=CaribSports

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[Flying Dutchman]

Why are you guys wanking over free points?

[pokernut9999]

It is a very good idea. SBR will compete with the black market in all respects in time. It takes SBR a good while to plan and build lets say a sportsbook or a loan department. Hopefully the black market will keep SBR in check by providing competition. SBR will have a huge advantage in being triple AAA quality where as the black market will have better pricing. But as this thread shows, SBR will not be judge, jury or special investigator for the black market.

John , I notice you keep replying to these posts about points stiffs.

Curious why you and CrazyLou ignore the posts about Gavin cheating to win the 64 man tourney. It was pointed out after the contest and proven and Lou's response was there was nothing you could do.

Yet you let him play another contest and he won

You actually could have done something for the 2 contestants that he cheated and banned him from future contests.

It has and always will be that SBR refuses to ever admit fault or blame.

I have a good idea how Gavin knew how to cheat the system .

Shame that Lou would stoop that low because he has a grudge against me

[TheLock]

Looks like the SBR orientation where they teach you how to alienate posters is going nicely OTW.

This shouldn't even be a discussion, point stiffs don't get to play, simple as that.

[GamblingCharlie]

CrazyLou is an idiot.

[Swinging Johnson]

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I don't get it?

[Lost Angel]

I don't get it?

The link is bad Johnson, not working, click on the link and it brings up nothing. Dead Page.

Closer it gets to game time the more I'm "feeling" that ATS...Indy and New Orleans are the way I will go.

[pokernut9999]

John , I notice you keep replying to these posts about points stiffs.

Curious why you and CrazyLou ignore the posts about Gavin cheating to win the 64 man tourney. It was pointed out after the contest and proven and Lou's response was there was nothing you could do.

Yet you let him play another contest and he won

You actually could have done something for the 2 contestants that he cheated and banned him from future contests.

It has and always will be that SBR refuses to ever admit fault or blame.

I have a good idea how Gavin knew how to cheat the system .

Shame that Lou would stoop that low because he has a grudge against me

Still no response from them

Like admitting guilt

[Swinging Johnson]

Thanks Lost....looking into it.

[Glitch]

CrazyLou is an idiot.

youre an idiot. how about follow the rules.
it is very easy to see why that one is in place.

[pavyracer]

I have to agree with Pavy here. For the most part the most common argument to keep allowing these people in contests is that SBR has neither the time nor is it their mandate to police private points agreements. I agree 100% that it is not SBR's job to do that but I am going to make the assumption that the mods occasionally read the forum(I know a bit of a stretch). I am not talking about having a mechanism in place to hear individual complaints. I am saying use some common sense when you see people actively scamming people and laughing/bragging about it.

On the other hand I would not expect help for myself as Dunder has mentioned. These people fit into the same category as the drunks/bums who cross and stop traffic. If their life is so pathetic that this is all they can do to feel good about themselves then I am glad to help in some small way to brighten their meagre existence.

SBR is not build on common sense. SBR is built on profit. You and I see posters as people. SBR sees them as dollar signs. There are no principles. When you sell yourself to lucifer for profit having morals is a nuisance.

[GamblingCharlie]

youre an idiot. how about follow the rules.
it is very easy to see why that one is in place.

Yeah, ok, I am an idiot.

[Swinging Johnson]

Introducing the Queen of Drama..........let's give it up for Pavyracer

[pavyracer]

SJ you do not want me to go "curious" on you. Come up with some new material. I can't fight women.

[SBR_John]

Pavy every business stays in business because they have a model or business plan that makes a profit.

Not wanting to get involved in black market disputes is more concept driven than bottom line driven. Neither becoming involved or not becoming involved in black market disputes has a significant profit potential that I can see.

Bottomline after all these thoughts are flushed out is buyer beware when you deal with a poster in cyberspace especially in the black market. Kind of like real life. Now if you want to deal in perfect triple AAA quality then do ALL your transactions with SBR.

[pavyracer]

John you need to tryout for NASCAR because you are definitely very good at going around curves.

All I ask for is banishment of point stiffs from SBR sponsored contests. Isn't the title of this thread clear enough? I have never been point stiffed by a poster. I got slow payed but I made it clear to the posters slow paying that I will bug then until they pay which they did.

Now please answer the question posed in the thread title in a straight forward manner.

[williams22]

Its true. Another truth is that 80% + of people would likely have taken the route of disappearance, resetting an IP, coming back and being careful of what they posted rather than paying back the MASSIVE amount of points that Williams did.

I agree that you have more "place" to gripe about pointstiffs and it doesn't bother me when you (or others) do but it is really a "glass half empty" proposition. Kids will be Kids, "whatsgood5" a prime example of this. Maybe he will grow up someday, mature into something other than a deadbeat...prolly not.

My point being that theres gonna be stiffs, law of nature. I propose that an EQUAL (at least) amount of time be devoted to praising those who DO PAY BACK as is spent bitching about stiffs....

maybe that would even inspire a few of the children to mature a little faster

and repay their debts.

Yeah...i am naive.

What happened with iwutitan, Williams? I thought it was you that he owed...maybe not but if so did he ever repay?

Yes sir, he does owe me, and a few others. He has never repaid a dime as far as I know.

[Swinging Johnson]

Pavy, I don't know what curious means and I'm sure nobody else does but that's neither here nor there. I don't know how SBR John could make it any clearer. He's said it a number of different ways, to no avail. Everyone else understands it but you. If you get stiffed, your problem. They're not going to adjudicate every transaction. Oftentimes these are not black and white, good guy and bad guy kinds of deals. Of course, some are but again you're essentially saying, I want to do things my way and transact without the protection and transparency that SBR has already established at their in house sportsbook. You do so at your own risk and do not throw a tantrum when you get screwed. It can't be any more simple than that. Move on, Mary.

[Lost Angel]

Yes sir, he does owe me, and a few others. He has never repaid a dime as far as I know.

Yeah well it should be obvious that it will be the community at least in the foreseeable future "policing" point stiffs....persecuting them.

and to address whoever said why are we whining about points, no one is bellyaching about "points", the noise being made is about dishonorable thieving sons of bitches.

The problem that exists with the community harassing point stiffs though is that the internet has given birth to a new kinda scumbag, never known by society, and that is a person that so desperately longs for attention that they go onto forums such as this and do whatever it takes to get interaction....even if its just people typing insults towards them. These people are known as Trolls. Again.....whatsgood5 a prime example. Troll becomes point stiff and gets the attention they want.

[pokernut9999]

Thanks for proving my point John .

[Busterflywheel]

Who does regulate the contest that pay points and cash?

[pokernut9999]

Who does regulate the contest that pay points and cash?

Probably Lou and he has agendas