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  • wtf
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    • 08-22-08
    • 12983

    #1
    great article about popping off scum in china
    really hope our left wing members here take heed of this;


    This morning, barring an unlikely last-minute reprieve, convicted drug smuggler Akmal Shaikh was executed by firing squad, having been found guilty of trying to bring 4kg of heroin into China.

    His case has prompted outrage in this country from politicians and from the trendy metropolitan elite, for whom drug use is a fashionable habit rather than serious criminal offence.

    Yet for all this orchestrated wailing, is it not possible that China is right to put Shaikh to death?

    Death penalty: Akmal Shaikh was caught with 4kg of heroin

    Indeed, I would argue that Britain's enfeebled, self-destructive approach to narcotics has been graphically highlighted by China's ruthlessness in tackling drug pushers.

    In contrast to New Labour's policy of appeasement and surrender, the Chinese Government acts vigorously to defend its people from the misery caused by the drugs trade.

    My regret is not over tough action by Beijing, but the fact that we in this country do not possess the moral clarity or strength of purpose to deal ruthlessly with drug peddlers and other enemies of our society.

    A bankrupt with a chequered financial history, a tangled personal life, and an obsession with easy money, Shaikh was arrested with heroin worth a cool £250,000 in his suitcase.

    As the Chinese police point out, this is a big enough amount to have killed 27,000 people.

    In China, the death penalty can be invoked against anyone carrying more than 50g of drugs - and that is one obvious reason why China, proportionally, has nothing like the drugs problem that we have in Britain.

    Serious dealers and abusers know they could be looking down the barrel of a gun if they are caught.

    It is the height of hypocrisy for the Labour government, the human rights brigade and celebrity loudmouths to lecture China when Britain's own strategy has failed so disastrously.
    A country that reveres such junkies as Kate Moss has no right to lecture China on its drugs policy, argues Leo McKinstry

    Thanks to the climate of institutionalised leniency, our society is awash with drugs, bringing widespread crime, violence and family breakdown in their wake.

    Dealers and users conduct their business knowing they have absolutely nothing to fear from our courts. Far from condemning cannabis and cocaine, our achingly liberal youth culture glamorises their possession.

    Vacuous supermodel Kate Moss was caught using cocaine by undercover reporters, most of the fashion world rallied behind her with a sense of moral indignation, protecting her lucrative contracts and behaving as though she were a victim.

    In showbusiness circles there was speculation for a long time that cocaine was not Kate's only drug of choice - that she had also smoked heroin and crack cocaine.

    Nor has Moss's former boyfriend, musician Pete Doherty, ever received a meaningful sentence, despite repeated convictions for misuse and other criminal behaviour.

    In 2007, for instance, he was spared jail over a string of offences and was even allowed by Judge Jane McIvor, who claimed to be a fan of his music, to delay a court hearing.

    Similarly, drug-addled singers Amy Winehouse and George Michael have been lionised by the music establishment.

    More...



    British officialdom now adopts a simpering indulgence towards drug abuse. Politicians line up to boast how much cannabis they smoked in their youth and downgrade the criminal classification of substances.

    Instead of locking up offenders, the Government wastes a fortune of taxpayers' money on non-judgmental propaganda like the useless television adverts from the £2.2million Frank campaign.

    Public funds are lavished on rehabilitation schemes, all of which have failed to prevent a dramatic rise in abuse.

    Unlike China with its firing squads, the only 'shooting galleries' we have in Britain are state-run needle exchanges for junkies.

    Outrageously, self-inflicted drug addiction is now regarded by the welfare state as a disability, entitling claimants to generous payouts of at least £110 a week. In effect, the Government requires taxpayers to subsidise criminal drug habits. It's estimated no fewer than 267,000 serious drug users live on social security.

    In contrast to China, our criminal justice system no longer treats offending seriously. Criminals walk free, community punishments are meaningless, jail sentences, even for murder, are derisory.

    Ordinary citizens are constantly bullied through a plethora of bureaucratic regulations, yet violence, burglary, theft and drug abuse carry no consequences.

    One key factor behind modern Britain's reluctance to uphold the law is the belief that criminals are really victims of society, motivated only by social disadvantage or mental health problems and that they need support not punishment.

    We can see this clearly in the case of Akmal Shaikh. Campaigners on his behalf claim he was suffering from mental illness at the time of his visit to China and so should be let off.

    Such excuse-making is absurd. His record of infidelity, sexual harassment and dubious business conduct suggest he was amoral, selfish, and irresponsible.

    He was once fined £10,000 for hounding a woman he had recruited as his secretary, while it is telling that his former first wife refused to join the campaign for a reprieve.

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    The hysteria over Shaikh's death penalty echoes the preposterous outcry in 2002 over another British man who was executed by a foreign government.
    A career thug, drug addict and alcoholic, Tracy Housel was put to death by the U.S. state of Georgia for raping and killing a woman, Jeanne Drew, whose body was so badly battered she could be identified only by dental records.

    Once again, there were the interventions by the Labour Government. Once again, there were the claims of mental illness, with Housel said to be suffering from brain damage and hypoglycaemia, though this hardly explained his record of extreme violence.

    Once again there was the tenuous nature of the defendant's links with Britain, which hardly justified the energy the Government spent on his case. Housel, born in Bermuda, had never actually set foot in this country.

    Similarly Shaikh, born in Pakistan, spent much of his adult life in the U.S. and Poland before going on his criminal odyssey to China. Neither of these men could demonstrate any real commitment or connection to Britain.

    The British government, with its prattle about human rights, likes to think a refusal to use capital punishment is a badge of a civilised society. The truth is the willingness to execute dangerous criminals is a sign of compassion. It means a government is determined to protect the vulnerable and maintain morality.

    It is no coincidence Britain was at its most peaceful and crime-free in the Forties and Fifties, when we still had the death penalty.

    'The gentleness of English civilisation is its most marked characteristic,' wrote George Orwell during the war, a remark that seems laughable now, though we think of ourselves morally superior.

    Between 1950 and 1957, the number of murders in Britain never rose above 180. The annual average in recent years is over 900.

    Overall crime has also shot up since we abolished capital punishment. Since the Fifties, the number of recorded crimes has increased more than tenfold, up from 438,000 in 1955 to 4.8 million in 2008.

    This is because the removal of the death penalty has had a downward ratchet effect.

    Since murderers could no longer be hanged, sentences for all other crimes had to be lowered commensurately. The result is the near-anarchy we see today, where serial offenders continually escape custody and rates of violent crime soar.

    There is nothing barbaric about the death penalty. The real barbarism lies in refusing to punish criminals.

    The drug-fuelled, crime-ridden, welfare-dependent, fear-filled inner city housing estate in modern Britain is far more savage than any place of execution in China for a trafficker of human misery.

  • rake922
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-23-07
    • 11692

    #2
    cliffs
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    • durito
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      • 07-03-06
      • 13173

      #3
      You are right, I think we should start executing all conservatives.
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      • betplom
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 09-20-06
        • 13444

        #4
        Wait, Kate Moss is a junkie?
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        • johncrud
          SBR MVP
          • 04-06-09
          • 1322

          #5
          U.S is somewhat mess up. Too much democracy will f*k up people's mind. too many opinions, debating and all that crap. Even in this forum where people argue on the most common sense issues. Only in U.S where the amazing happens.

          In other democratic countries, they deal with crimes in a split sec without any hesitation. Half of the jail population in the U.S will be cut in half in other countries where execution is most likely occur.

          In U.S, if you kill someone not as important, no big deal.. you won't get executed but you will get free housing and food aka jail.
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          • durito
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 07-03-06
            • 13173

            #6
            Originally posted by johncrud
            U.S is somewhat mess up. Too much democracy will f*k up people's mind. too many opinions, debating and all that crap. Even in this forum where people argue on the most common sense issues. Only in U.S where the amazing happens.

            In other democratic countries, they deal with crimes in a split sec without any hesitation. Half of the jail population in the U.S will be cut in half in other countries where execution is most likely occur.

            In U.S, if you kill someone not as important, no big deal.. you won't get executed but you will get free housing and food aka jail.

            You are obviously unfamiliar with most of the world.

            The US has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world and amongst the harshest penalties for nearly everything.
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            • betplom
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 09-20-06
              • 13444

              #7
              Originally posted by durito
              You are obviously unfamiliar with most of the world.

              The US has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world and amongst the harshest penalties for nearly everything.
              I agree this is true when comparing the US to other "first world" or industrialized nations.

              I've seen people get 10 years in the US for something that would receive a 6-8 month sentence here in Canada.
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              • feltball
                SBR High Roller
                • 09-07-08
                • 106

                #8
                He knew the punishment before he did the crime
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                • SBR Lou
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 08-02-07
                  • 37863

                  #9
                  Originally posted by feltball
                  He knew the punishment before he did the crime
                  It's a good punishment. Imagine how much different the United States would be if criminals knew if they were to be caught with X amount of drugs, they'd be convicted then promptly put to death; rather than allowed to languish in a cell and cost taxpayers money until they're allowed to return to their life of crime.
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                  • wtf
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 08-22-08
                    • 12983

                    #10
                    thats right lou that is the point of the article

                    it is staggering that UK leaders would lift a finger for this pos
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                    • ZXCVBNM
                      SBR MVP
                      • 09-17-08
                      • 1027

                      #11
                      hilariously slanted article like always. how are you gonna ignore some of the biggest facts? Just a pathetic article all around. And judging the responses I'm pretty sure most people in this thread haven't really heard of the case. Here's something more... true.

                      Keep up-to-date with what's going on in the UK and around the world with the top headlines and breaking news from Yahoo and other publishers.


                      A British man said to be suffering from bipolar disorder is set to be executed in China for smuggling heroin.

                      North Londoner Akmal Shaikh, 51, suffers from delusions as part of his condition according to legal charity Reprieve.
                      Reprieve says Mr Shaikh travelled to China to get a record contract for a song he had written which he believed would usher in world peace.
                      The father of three was targeted by a gang of drug dealers who saw him as someone who could be easily manipulated, the charity said on its website.
                      The gang apparently promised to help him record his song and travelled to the airport with him on the pretence of catching a flight.
                      But, when they arrived, the leader of the gang reportedly told Mr Shaikh there was only one seat left on board, and asked him if he would take his suitcase for him when he flew.
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                      • ZXCVBNM
                        SBR MVP
                        • 09-17-08
                        • 1027

                        #12
                        And funnier still is the original poster not posting the link, where hundreds of comments say how incredibly bad that piece is.

                        I would argue that Britain's enfeebled, self-destructive approach to narcotics has been graphically highlighted by China's ruthlessness in tackling drug pushers.


                        Daily mail is full of junk like this, one can say even worse than the tabloids because scarily enough they seem to take themselves seriously.
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                        • SBR Lou
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 08-02-07
                          • 37863

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ZXCVBNM
                          And funnier still is the original poster not posting the link, where hundreds of comments say how incredibly bad that piece is.
                          Let's take this comment for example-

                          The guy was never tested for his alleged bi-polar condition in the 2 years + that he was in a Chinese prison.
                          So if you're bi-polar, you can avoid being put to death for carrying a significant amount of heroin in China? I don't see how someone having a mental illness exonerates them in any way. Did the guy's condition not allow him to relish the opportunity to make £250,000 by smuggling and helping to distribute heroin?
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                          • illmatick
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                            • 01-05-09
                            • 5456

                            #14
                            all the guy did was smuggle a little heroin, you guys can go fuk yourselves
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                            • pavyracer
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 04-12-07
                              • 82897

                              #15
                              It appears that someone put the heroin in his luggage. This is why when they ask you in Chinese at the airport if you have packed the luggage yourself you should ask for a translator.
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                              • capitalist pig
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                                • 01-25-07
                                • 4998

                                #16
                                Good for China.

                                later
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                                • Sledge187
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                                  • 04-25-08
                                  • 3722

                                  #17
                                  "A British man said to be suffering from bipolar disorder is set to be executed in China for smuggling heroin."

                                  He is bi-polar so whatever he does is okay. Just give him a pat on the back and let him do whatever he wants.
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                                  • MrMonkey
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 11-09-08
                                    • 2278

                                    #18
                                    I remember years ago not guilty by reason of insanity was the "in thing to do". Remember that Ed Norton movie with Ricthie Gere? Not no more! Also celebrities would buy their way out while now celebrities are treated almost more harshly due to their prominence. Public opinion always seems to be the key? If God creates them with a defect, then send them back to God if they do wrong! An eye for eye and...... Didn't it seem like the drug cartel violence got worse once they legalized pot in Mexico? Guess we sound like staunch conservatives but we must have some kind of laws or regulations to keep everyone from running amuck? We can't even smack our own kids on the butt anymore!
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                                    • durito
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                                      • 07-03-06
                                      • 13173

                                      #19
                                      Why are republicans so against government except when it comes to stupid crap like drugs?

                                      What business is it of the gov't to tell people which drugs they can ingest and which ones they can't?

                                      I'd much rather see us execute dumb people.
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                                      • pavyracer
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 04-12-07
                                        • 82897

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by durito
                                        Why are republicans so against government except when it comes to stupid crap like drugs?

                                        What business is it of the gov't to tell people which drugs they can ingest and which ones they can't?

                                        I'd much rather see us execute dumb people.
                                        I believe the chinese killed two birds with one stone when they executed this man.
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                                        • 20Four7
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                                          • 04-08-07
                                          • 6703

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by durito
                                          Why are republicans so against government except when it comes to stupid crap like drugs?

                                          What business is it of the gov't to tell people which drugs they can ingest and which ones they can't?

                                          I'd much rather see us execute dumb people.
                                          Because the pharmaceutical companies pay the government millions of dollars to get approval of their bad drugs and rigged tests...... Right now your far more likely to get bad drugs legally from a doctor than you are on the street. Ever read the warnings on the legal shit? Makes you wonder if you aren't better ignoring what's wrong with ya.
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                                          • jellobiafra
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                                            • 03-08-09
                                            • 6291

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by durito
                                            Why are republicans so against government except when it comes to stupid crap like drugs?
                                            Because hard-core neoconservatism is an inexorable progeny of fascism.
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                                            • MichaelC
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 10-25-09
                                              • 211

                                              #23
                                              I live in China..and there is more to the underlying story...he is of Paki decent (maybe shanty's relative???) and was caught in the area of heavy muslim unrest..in the western part of the country...less to do with drugs and more with sending a message to the majority muslim population of the xinjiang province where he was busted that the central government won't suffer any fools...local or outsiders.
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                                              • ACoochy
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                                                • 08-19-09
                                                • 13949

                                                #24
                                                Yeah it sucks that we dont have all the information to make an informed and accurate opinion.....If it is true about his bi-polar condition then that potentially could PARTIALLY explain his past indiscretions. China should've at least had a internal psych evaluation done on the guy b4 putting him to death as apparently (per BBC reporting) when in poland he was asked if he could take a suitcase and suffering from bi-polar means that at times ones judgement can be impaired as a result of attached depression etc, thus maybe mohammed thought (or just didnt as is the result of ppl with depression) he was doing these polish ppl a favour without ever questioning the intent.....

                                                Playing devil's advocate here, interested in hearing other's observations....And durito just ignore the 'haters' (conservatives) they still use emotion as a logical base for personal smears in the belief that they are furthering the social agenda of the wider populace. They will try to make you as cognitively incapacitated as what they are lol....
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