Green Bay should shoot themselves for replacing Favre with Rodgers!

[slacker00]

As a GB fan, seeing Favre's success does make me laugh at the Favre haters, which tend not to be GB fans.

[The General]

Rodgers #2 overall player in yahoo fantasy behind Jones-Drew

[19th Hole]

As much as I love Brett Favre, he wouldn't be able to play behind that suckass offensive line. Rodgers won't make it all season if that continues.

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I beg to differ......
Brett Favre did play...." behind that suckass offensive line".

Ever since the Packers lost LG Mike Wahle and RG Marco Rivera to free
agency, Ted "Hanging 2 Inches" Thompson never replaced his weapons.
The Packers have had a cardboard "O" Line since 2004.
Thompson thinks offensive linemen are a dime a dozen and walks into
a gunfight carrying a squirt gun.
Green Bay gets everything that they deserve.

[slacker00]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I beg to differ......
Brett Favre did play...." behind that suckass offensive line".

Ever since the Packers lost LG Mike Wahle and RG Marco Rivera to free
agency, Ted "Hanging 2 Inches" Thompson never replaced his weapons.
The Packers have had a cardboard "O" Line since 2004.
Thompson thinks offensive linemen are a dime a dozen and walks into
a gunfight carrying a squirt gun.
Green Bay gets everything that they deserve.

Good point. Favre is a HOFer for a reason. It's not so much that Rodgers sucks, but that Favre left behind some huge shoes to fill. I think Steve Young still carries around an inferiority complex from his years behind Montana. Even if Rodgers wins a ring some day, he'll always be cast in the shadow of Favre.

[eidolon]

Good point. Favre is a HOFer for a reason. It's not so much that Rodgers sucks, but that Favre left behind some huge shoes to fill. I think Steve Young still carries around an inferiority complex from his years behind Montana. Even if Rodgers wins a ring some day, he'll always be cast in the shadow of Favre.

Rodgers would have to win 3 rings to get out of that shadow.

[Doc JS]

Rodgers #2 overall player in yahoo fantasy behind Jones-Drew

Does yahoo give points for sacks taken in their fantasy league???

[bettilimbroke999]

Does yahoo give points for sacks taken in their fantasy league???

Great post!

Sack yards count double!

[The General]

Considering the sacks doesn't that make his overall ranking even more impressive?

[The General]

Actual Rankings

Last 4 weeks #1

Season #2

[Fishhead]

Actual Rankings

Last 4 weeks #1

I took ROGERS in my draft............been dominating my division.

Six game lead with eight games remaining.

Having Dallas Clark hasn't hurt either...........

[daneblazer]

Coming from a Vikings fan...Green Bay has one of the best and most under rated receiving corps in the league. Their problem is Rodgers always lying on his back or running for his life. I think they made the right decision. They couldn't keep staying in limbo on whether or not Favre was coming back with a high round Qb sitting on their bench for 5 years. From the games I've watched of them this year, their problem is offensive line and defensive play calling. Whoever keeps dropping back their best pass rusher into coverage is a bone head.

[poochiecollins]

Horry is considered one of the clutchest shooters of all time. The fact is, his teams wouldnt have won those 7 rings without him. We're not talking about Adam Morrison here who got a ring with the Lakers contributing about as much as u and I.

Meh, I'll get back to this thread.

Do you have proof of this? Namely, some record of Horry's statistics "in the clutch"? Seeing him make some big shots on t.v. means little.

My left testicle says at least one of the idiots from my NBA draft thread chime in with an ad hominem directed at me. I win more points if at least one of those doofy emoticons is included.

[poochiecollins]

Rodgers proves and reproves and reproves why I posted this thread Anyone who thinks Rodgers could shine Favre's shoes at this point should check in to rehab

Yeah, that 102.5 QB rating is looking pretty bad.

Wait...

[poochiecollins]

Originally Posted by poochiecollins
poochiecollins IQ: 2

No argument

You got it backwards, chief; when someone calls you childish, the next thing you say should make you appear like LESS of a child, not the other way around.

[poochiecollins]

What does salary have to do with anything? There are dozens of players that are paid more but didn't have 1/100th the impact he did. Plus he was hansomely paid for a part-time player.

Check his career stats. Enough said.

Btw, Horry got more rings than almost every other player ever, does that mean he was better?

Fixed.

[poochiecollins]

I think one of the intangibles that is being overlooked is that Favre elevates the play of those around him which is another reason Green Bay was better with him. He just has "it" that other good athletes don't.

"Elevates" teammates? As in, they play better? Prove it, or at least that it's likely.

[poochiecollins]

Means a lot more than "mostly nothing"... The comparison is between two guys who play the same position and played for the same team...

Umm, they didn't have the same exact teammates. Also, I mentioned the cost difference, which allows GB to sign better players elsewhere, so Favre would have to be appreciably better elsewhere. I shouldn't need to say he hasn't been.

the GM Ted Thompson decided to "go in another direction"...the question the is: Which QB has been "better" since the split...wins and losses are how you answer that question in the NFL...and the answer, as I said, is: these are the facts and they are not in dispute...

Oh okay, so since you've said that wins and losses are the only measure of skill for a player who's one of 50+ on a team, that makes it fact. Right.

[poochiecollins]

Keep telling yourself that... Since Brett left GB: 17 wins - 8 losses (and that's including the last two months of the season last year after he hurt his shoulder) Since Rodgers took over as starting QB in GB 10 wins - 14 losses And Brett is 2 - 0 against Rodgers and the Packers since he left...

[poochiecollins]

No one is arguing a TD is not worth 7 pts. But you can't tell me in a tied or close game, you'd rather score the TD in the first min rather than the last min of the game.

A close late game is a reflection of successes and failures of earlier parts of the game, and most games are decided before the late game. The beginning of a game is always close, so it doesn't make a difference when only the issue of time is looked at.

A TD in the first quarter could be one of 10 TDs you score the rest of the game. Since you seem to be a stats geek, why don't you tell me how many TDs scored in the first 5 minutes of the game ended up being the game winning score as opposed to the last 5 minutes of the game?

I'm assuming you wouldn't just take my word for it, considering your earlier skepticism, so there's as much incentive for you to do so. I'd recommend looking at quarters instead of 5 minute periods though, as I'm not sure such data exists.

I'm not a lawyer nor play one on SBR. You compared Rodgers to Favre and said his stats were pretty much identical (except wins), did you not? Well, Rodgers' stats were better than Montana's best season... does that make him a better QB?

Passing's easier now, so no. It's relative to other players of their era. This is aside from the fact that comparing football players based on stats is fairly difficult.

Hearsay is not factual. I would never use hearsay or unsubstantiated information to pass off as fact, especially when the debate revolves around stats. It's almost as bad as posting chain letters.

So you assume anything you've ever heard read that was meant to pass something along as fact is bullshit until you verify it personally? Riiiight. If you were so neurotic as to be that paranoid, you'd probably be doing strong meds, among other things. Or! You're playing lawyer by looking for every conceivable angle to argue from.

Actually, you just made another argument for me. Since you're implying the burden of proof on the importance-of-scoring-early-verses-late is on me, the burden of proof lies on you when alleging that Brett Favre should clearly have been kept by Green Bay. It's been established that their stats are very comparable, including that Rogers may have been the better overall QB, so it's up to you to find some other measure, such as "clutch" stats, to prove otherwise.

Then tell me..... why has more teams comeback from 21-0 1st quarter deficits than 21-0 4th quarter deficits?

Maybe because a three touchdown lead at the start of the fourth quarter is a reflection of what happened over the first three quarters, including the first?

Same in baseball, I've seen numerous teams score 4 runs or more in the 1st inning only to lose. But when they score 4 runs or more in the 7th, 8th, 9th, it's usually a win.

There was a thread here some ways back where the OP thought that something like a +1000 moneyline of the Orioles over the Yankees when the latter was winning 3-0 after three innings was a steal, when a later poster explained that it was about right. Based on a previous post of yours, you might go, "DURR CITE OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN" but moving on. Your observance of many comebacks from such a deficit would be remarkable if you don't watch a ton of games, if this in-game moneyline was rational. Cite a source finding that teams come from relatively early multi-run deficits with fair frequency.

[slacker00]

Rodgers still hasn't proven to be able to win in the clutch. Granted, he's only in his second season starting. Just saying, he's still got a lot to prove to be considered amongst the elite such as Favre. This year we'll get to assess Rodgers skills in big games such as the stretch run and the playoffs. We might even get another Favre/Rodgers showdown in the playoffs! Then we'll see!

[mikemac21]

lol

[Hammew]

There is a big difference between Rodgers and Favre. Yes Rodgers is a stat monster, but he is not a leader. A true leader in the NFL, elevates the play of the people around him. Favre is a true leader and a true champion. Two things that Aaron Rodgers and his dead fish like attitude will never be.

[bettilimbroke999]

Yeah, that 102.5 QB rating is looking pretty bad.

Wait...

Favre's is 106, as well as 21 less sacks, too bad standing around for 10 secs then hitting the turf for a 10 yrd loss to cost your team the game doesn't count against QB rating, just bc he gets sacked twice as much the other QBs putting his team in 3rd and 20 rather than throw it away/trying to complete a tough pass resulting in most likely a 10 yrd saving incomplete pass or occasional rating killing pick is not a compliment to his skills

[DrStale]

Rodgers has gotten sacked all year long because the Packers offensive line is terrible. Granted Favre has a knack for knowing the pressure and getting rid of the ball but he'd still be getting hit a hell of a lot more this season than in years past.

[1800Gambler]

Rodgers will beat Favre in the playoffs this year. Count on it if the matchup presents itself, which i believe if the playoffs started today it could.

[bettilimbroke999]

Their O-line is mediocre but Rodgers also holds the ball wayyy too long and refuses to throw it away even if a sack kills the drive, GBs record would suck if they didnt play shitbag Chicago and Detroit twice already, throw in the Browns, I mean fuk thats 5 wins my grandma would've gotten, well 6 gimme wins if you count that they played the 1 win Bucs except their one win came against sack machine Rodgers 4th qtr choke job

Dont let anyone fool ya either, 48 sacks is out of this fukin world, idc how bad your O-line is that number is record setting, I've watched GB games and their O-line is mediocre but nothing horrible like the Rodgers fans will have you believe, they just want to blame the sacks on someone other than Rodgers, theres a great ability by most NFL QBs (Rodgers exempt) to sense when the sack is coming and get the ball out to save the drive or get out of the pocket Tony Romo style to avoid the drive killing loss, Rodgers simply doesn't have it

[bettilimbroke999]

Rodgers will beat Favre in the playoffs this year. Count on it if the matchup presents itself, which i believe if the playoffs started today it could.

Yea like he did twice this year already

[DrStale]

Their O-line is mediocre but Rodgers also holds the ball wayyy too long and refuses to throw it away even if a sack kills the drive, GBs record would suck if they didnt play shitbag Chicago and Detroit twice already, throw in the Browns, I mean fuk thats 5 wins my grandma would've gotten, well 6 gimme wins if you count that they played the 1 win Bucs except their one win came against sack machine Rodgers 4th qtr choke job Dont let anyone fool ya either, 48 sacks is out of this fukin world, idc how bad your O-line is that number is record setting, I've watched GB games and their O-line is mediocre but nothing horrible like the Rodgers fans will have you believe, they just want to blame the sacks on someone other than Rodgers, theres a great ability by most NFL QBs (Rodgers exempt) to sense when the sack is coming and get the ball out to save the drive or get out of the pocket Tony Romo style to avoid the drive killing loss, Rodgers simply doesn't have it

How many games have you watched this year? How many did you attend? I'm going to go ahead and assume that I've seen a hell of a lot more of the Packers than you have. The Tampa game was a lot more of pocket collapsing and receivers not breaking off their routes and/or getting open than it was Rodgers just "taking the sack." It's no coincidence that the Packers line has gotten better over the last few weeks and the sacks have dropped big time. It's easy to forget how bad the O-line was early in the year, it was terrible.

[bettilimbroke999]

Okay Rodgers is perfect he had 48 sacks he couldnt avoid or at least throw the ball away even though he's got 21 more sacks than a 40 yr old, he is better than Peyton bc his QB rating is higher than Peyton's, his team cant beat any decent team bc of the O-line and his receivers and blah blah blah, meanwhile if Favre was hitting the turf like this ppl would be tellin him to retire and bring in Rodgers

[bettilimbroke999]

Look at the effect Favre has had on Minnesota, they are potential Super Bowl winners now, where the hell were they pre-Favre?

Favre has turned a mediocre team into a great team singlehandedly, Rodgers has turned a mediocre team into a mediocre team

[poochiecollins]

There is a big difference between Rodgers and Favre. Yes Rodgers is a stat monster, but he is not a leader. A true leader in the NFL, elevates the play of the people around him. Favre is a true leader and a true champion. Two things that Aaron Rodgers and his dead fish like attitude will never be.

I asked someone stating a similar argument earlier in the thread, my reply on this page (4), to give proof/evidence that Favre "elevates" teammate production. Careful not to talk out of your ass.

[poochiecollins]

Favre's is 106, as well as 21 less sacks, too bad standing around for 10 secs then hitting the turf for a 10 yrd loss to cost your team the game doesn't count against QB rating, just bc he gets sacked twice as much the other QBs putting his team in 3rd and 20 rather than throw it away/trying to complete a tough pass resulting in most likely a 10 yrd saving incomplete pass or occasional rating killing pick is not a compliment to his skills

Favre has 8 rushes for 5 yards. Rogers 52 for 283 (5.4 ypc), making up for the sack discrepancy entirely. But this doesn't matter, because I didn't say that Favre sucked, while you said Rogers did.

[poochiecollins]

Rodgers will beat Favre in the playoffs this year. Count on it if the matchup presents itself, which i believe if the playoffs started today it could.

Favre has the better team around him.

[wisky]

Favre has played super Rodgers has played great, Vikes have a very small window to make it to the Superbowl, bad timing for Favre and Vikes as the Saints appear to be locking up home field. Just think going 14-2 and not getting home field.

[BadNina]

Can someone give me the odds of Poochie either being related to someone on the GB coaching staff or Rogers? Thanks!