Screwed again on pokerstars

VegasDave · 09-25-09, 06:15 AM

Ugh, sorry man, that's brutal...

To the other guy's defense though, at least he didn't play the hand wrong. As fvcked up as this sort of hand is, it does happen. I'd much rather lose this way than to the asshole that calls you with 9/2 offsuit and hits runner runner 9 9.

jayc88 · 09-25-09, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by VegasDave

Ugh, sorry man, that's brutal... To the other guy's defense though, at least he didn't play the hand wrong. As fvcked up as this sort of hand is, it does happen. I'd much rather lose this way than to the asshole that calls you with 9/2 offsuit and hits runner runner 9 9.

i'd rather lose against the 9/2 offsuit playing kind of guy.

MartinBlank · 09-25-09, 07:43 AM

That is brutal.

I was playing at FullTilt. A 28(2) sitngo.

9 players.

First hand. 4 players all in.

Player A turns over pocket As
Player B turns over pocket Ks
Player C turns over pocket Js
Player D turns over pocket 9s.

Yeah---that is random generated.

Oh, and 35 minutes later. I watched three more players on the first hand turn over Pocket A's Q's and J's. On the first hand. Yeah, they wouldn't want a faster play rate would they?

I am done there.

Bread · 09-25-09, 07:47 AM

What are you crying about? Guy was playing off 2-pair. Of course he got lucky and you got unlucky. Welcome to poker.

Unreal.

VegasDave · 09-25-09, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by jayc88

i'd rather lose against the 9/2 offsuit playing kind of guy.

Really? To each their own.

I HATE when a guy playing like an idiot gets rewarded and it costs me a lot of money. Obviously *I would rather play that type of player* as long term I'll come out on top. But I prefer losing a hand like this one and saying "oh well, that's poker" than to a total moron who had no business in the hand in the first place.

xstud · 09-25-09, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by VegasDave

Really? To each their own.

I HATE when a guy playing like an idiot gets rewarded and it costs me a lot of money. Obviously *I would rather play that type of player* as long term I'll come out on top. But I prefer losing a hand like this one and saying "oh well, that's poker" than to a total moron who had no business in the hand in the first place.

I personally believe a big strategy is not slow playing and betting people off hands. If a guy has a monster pre-flop that is the worst way to lose because you never had a chance. If the guy decides to play rags you have to bet him off the hand, it is tough to do at micro-stakes though... even at 1/2 NL it is hard but playing against those kind of people will make you money in the long run.

VegasDave · 09-25-09, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by xstud

I personally believe a big strategy is not slow playing and betting people off hands. If a guy has a monster pre-flop that is the worst way to lose because you never had a chance. If the guy decides to play rags you have to bet him off the hand, it is tough to do at micro-stakes though... even at 1/2 NL it is hard but playing against those kind of people will make you money in the long run.

Agreed whole-heartedly; if I value the guy in, its my own damn fault if his shit hand becomes gold.

I was talking about the type of hand that was being bet properly where a guy who has no business sticking around still does.

3PtShooter · 09-25-09, 07:58 AM

thanks for the heads up

xstud · 09-25-09, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by VegasDave

Agreed whole-heartedly; if I value the guy in, its my own damn fault if his shit hand becomes gold.

I was talking about the type of hand that was being bet properly where a guy who has no business sticking around still does.

I agree, but that is online poker... really I feel it is the toughest way to play. In person you rarely have individuals play that much garbage and stay in the hand if it is no limit.

I just hate online poker because at times I would almost pray that I don't get AA or KK because you know that someone will go all in with a small pocket pair and catch trips. But when thousands of hands are dealt every hour the variance becomes sky high with all the different outcomes that could happen.

moses millsap · 09-25-09, 08:07 AM

online poker is much better than live poker and this is coming off a day where i got crushed on stars yesterday. the swings online are insane, b/c of the number of hands you see per day. the key to winning online is to not tilt, b/c everybody gets brutal beats and the key is to play well when you are running bad.

HotStreak · 09-25-09, 08:11 AM

I really do not understand what the guy did wrong here. The turn was horrible for you, but that is where all the money went into the pot. Boat vs. Boat, most of the time someone is going broke.

I guess your complaint is more the variety of cards and order in which PokerStars presented them. Your goal when playing small pairs is to make a set, and extract money from someone with an overpair. Over the long run, you are going to make money with your small to medium sets. Something like this hurts more if you are not practicing good bankroll management, and the specific loss is a huge part of your stake.

Reload your stack and move on. Good hands lose sometimes.

jayc88 · 09-25-09, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by VegasDave

Really? To each their own. I HATE when a guy playing like an idiot gets rewarded and it costs me a lot of money. Obviously *I would rather play that type of player* as long term I'll come out on top. But I prefer losing a hand like this one and saying "oh well, that's poker" than to a total moron who had no business in the hand in the first place.

there is simple reason for that ,
the guy with the qq hand didnt do anything wrong , he just got lucky on the turn .
If i have plenty of other people playing hands like 27, i sure do know i'm going to take their money long term , even if they got lucky on one hand.
It's similiar to beating the closing line in sportsbetting , you might go 3-11 day losing tons of games in the late innings, but if you are conistantly beating the closing line you are a winner long term.

daneblazer · 09-25-09, 09:30 AM

You were way behind preflop, got lucky on the flop, and the turn played out with the odds. Unlucky? yes. Screwed? no.

stats13 · 09-25-09, 09:33 AM

you shoulda paid attention to his name he read u

keyboarding · 09-25-09, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by daneblazer

You were way behind preflop, got lucky on the flop, and the turn played out with the odds. Unlucky? yes. Screwed? no.

Exactly. A true bad beat or getting screwed is when your opponent plays their hand poorly and gets rewarded with a sequence of cards that are very unlikely. While your opponent hit a 2 outter, you hit a 2 outter, and you can't blame him for how he played that hand.

Table '183593597 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Champ Burger (1210 in chips)
Seat 2: gsv57 (1790 in chips)
gsv57: posts small blind 10
Champ Burger: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Champ Burger [Ac Ad]
gsv57: calls 10
Champ Burger: raises 60 to 80
gsv57: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [8c Qd Js]
Champ Burger: bets 160
gsv57: raises 160 to 320
Champ Burger: raises 810 to 1130 and is all-in
gsv57: calls 810
*** TURN *** [8c Qd Js] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [8c Qd Js 3c] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Champ Burger: shows [Ac Ad] (a pair of Aces)
gsv57: shows [9d Jc] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
gsv57 collected 2420 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2420 | Rake 0
Board [8c Qd Js 3c Tc]
Seat 1: Champ Burger (big blind) showed [Ac Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: gsv57 (button) (small blind) showed [9d Jc] and won (2420) with a straight, Eight to Queen

See the difference?

stats13 · 09-25-09, 10:03 AM

keyboard, you are in a donkament, he lost a cash game, where the idiot playing him did play poorly with a pair on the board. the queen was a scare card though, its just a cooler hand. bet stronger on flop? ehhh, tough call.

Zou_fan · 09-25-09, 10:11 AM

Tough beats always sting, but the amount of hands you can play on the net almost guarantees losses like this one over any long session.

keyboarding · 09-25-09, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by stats13

keyboard, you are in a donkament, he lost a cash game, where the idiot playing him did play poorly with a pair on the board. the queen was a scare card though, its just a cooler hand. bet stronger on flop? ehhh, tough call.

If you are holding QQ and raise preflop and get called, going to be pretty hard to put your opponent on an 8 or a 5. Maybe KK or AA, which does not matter on the turn.

stats13 · 09-25-09, 11:23 AM

you never know, sometimes people make loose calls on 45/56 suited, or a5 suited, or even (gasp) 55, sometimes crap as bad even as 57 or 35 suited

bettilimbroke999 · 09-25-09, 11:57 AM

I no longer accept bad beats, email Pokerstars for a refund and tell them you want to get on their no bad beat list

MrX · 09-25-09, 12:43 PM

PokerStars dealer.

ramones951 · 09-25-09, 12:48 PM

This wasn't even really a bad beat. He had you dominated preflop, and he played it just how he should have played it. I prefer pokerstars because I feel like they have the least amount of bad beats.

Bigmikesm · 09-25-09, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by Bread

What are you crying about? Guy was playing off 2-pair. Of course he got lucky and you got unlucky. Welcome to poker.

Unreal.

No kidding he got lucky. My point was you see this happen much more online than in live games. These huge hands that are impossible to get away from. Just sick of the online B.S.

VegasDave · 09-25-09, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by stats13

you never know, sometimes people make loose calls on 45/56 suited, or a5 suited, or even (gasp) 55, sometimes crap as bad even as 57 or 35 suited

Even still, you raise 4x the big blind preflop and got one call... the flop comes 5 8 5 and your opponent bets $6 into a $9.50 pot. There is no way in hell I'm folding QQ with that board. No way I'm putting him on 45 / 56 / 55 at this point... A5, AA, KK, 88 I'm worried about, but there are TONS of hands I'm beating right now that would warrant that bet; AK, AQ, any non-5/8 pair, etc.

Easy call at 2.58 to 1.

VegasDave · 09-25-09, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Bigmikesm

No kidding he got lucky. My point was you see this happen much more online than in live games. These huge hands that are impossible to get away from. Just sick of the online B.S.

I feel you, but if you play live to, I'm sure you've had it happen there as well.

LVHerbie · 09-25-09, 01:04 PM

This is my favorite hand of poker I ever played (I keep it around for occasional needed inspiration)... Was the final table of a double shootout where 1st and 2nd got seats to the weekly sunday $215 and third got something like their buyin back...

PokerStars Game #6593679481: Tournament #33279439, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round II, Level V (75/150) - 2006/10/11 - 02:31:11 (ET)
Table '33279439 1' 8-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: HerbieX101 (2620 in chips)
Seat 4: bbxprs (3590 in chips)
Seat 8: doctor tilt (5790 in chips)
bbxprs: posts small blind 75
doctor tilt: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HerbieX101 [2d 7h]
HerbieX101: raises 300 to 450
bbxprs: folds
doctor tilt: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [Td Th 2s]
doctor tilt: checks
HerbieX101: bets 750
doctor tilt: raises 750 to 1500
HerbieX101: raises 670 to 2170 and is all-in
doctor tilt: calls 670
*** TURN *** [Td Th 2s] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [Td Th 2s 2h] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
doctor tilt: shows [Kd Tc] (a full house, Tens full of Deuces)
HerbieX101: shows [2d 7h] (four of a kind, Deuces)
HerbieX101 collected 5315 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5315 | Rake 0
Board [Td Th 2s 2h 2c]
Seat 3: HerbieX101 (button) showed [2d 7h] and won (5315) with four of a kind, Deuces
Seat 4: bbxprs (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: doctor tilt (big blind) showed [Kd Tc] and lost with a full house, Tens full of Deuces

keyboarding · 09-25-09, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by VegasDave

Even still, you raise 4x the big blind preflop and got one call... the flop comes 5 8 5 and your opponent bets $6 into a $9.50 pot. There is no way in hell I'm folding QQ with that board. No way I'm putting him on 45 / 56 / 55 at this point... A5, AA, KK, 88 I'm worried about, but there are TONS of hands I'm beating right now that would warrant that bet; AK, AQ, any non-5/8 pair, etc.

Easy call at 2.58 to 1.

Exactly. And on that turn, none of those hands scare you.

daneblazer · 09-25-09, 01:24 PM

No kidding he got lucky. My point was you see this happen much more online than in live games. These huge hands that are impossible to get away from. Just sick of the online B.S.

You see it more because you see more hands and there are more beginners putting themselves in situations to have a bad beat...thus the opportunity comes up more often than it does in live games. I don't think either one of you played it badly...it was just one of those hands that happens every once in a while.

I had my AA taken out by two people who both had pocket 10's not long ago and I had a suit of each players tens. Not sure if that's the worst bad beat in the world, but it has to be close.

TheLock · 09-25-09, 01:25 PM

Not even close to a bad beat

*the original poster

TheLock · 09-25-09, 01:26 PM

Bad beats are 1 or 2 outers

bettilimbroke999 · 09-25-09, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Bigmikesm

No kidding he got lucky. My point was you see this happen much more online than in live games. These huge hands that are impossible to get away from. Just sick of the online B.S.

Dude I played live poker last night and this dude caught every card in the deck he was drawin for river straights and flushes callin allins all night long and smokin everyone, thats just how it goes poker is a brutal game

Everybody knows Daniel Negreanu well if u watch him on High Stakes Poker he loses bout 500k everytime he plays, if a player as good as him gets pwned every season its not hard to believe a couple donks like u and I gettin beat

TheLock · 09-25-09, 01:34 PM

I pretty much agree with betilmbroke with the exception that Negreanu plays like an ape on High Stakes (not saying he doesn't get unlucky because he does) but he makes some REALLY loose calls and he steams. He loses huge pots with one pair constantly. I do not consider him the cash game player that Elezra, Dwan and Farha are.

Bigmikesm · 09-25-09, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by TheLock

Bad beats are 1 or 2 outers

That's a two outer.

VegasDave · 09-25-09, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Bigmikesm

That's a two outer.

Pretty sure he meant AFTER all the chips are in. Just like you hit your two outer long before that was the case, so did he.