Screwed again on pokerstars

[LVHerbie]

It's funny how you seem to have all the answers for online poker and are a big advocate for it. Good for you. KEEP PLAYING. You've must have made thousands playing it and that's great. I haven't. I know that it isn't rigged. There is way too much money at stake for these companies to rig it for some small time players such as myself. I'M DONE WITH IT.

I'm not advocating for anyone or anything... All I'm saying I can't understand why if people think something is rigged they continue to support it with their money... I personally don't play cash games on pokerstars but it is not because I believe it is rigged or because I gotten one too many bad beats... Although it is not always the case I try to be objective and rational in my decisions...

For example, I like to bet sports but know that I'm a long-term loser when it comes to handicapping games... Based on this I greatly limit the games and the amount I bet and look for good values (such as using exchanges and making money elsewhere that easily covers my small loses)... If I lose every game I bet this weekend it won't effect me (at least financially) in the least... (Hell sometimes I realize I probably lost too much the week before and actually skip a week or two...)

Although I might post in some related thread that I got hammered again this week, you won't see starting any threads entitled "screwed again betting football" and responding irrationally a dozen times...

I'll try to make my point another way... If that hand would have occurred in say a .05/.1 game would this thread still exist?

[LVHerbie]

Another example of a quality hand holding up on the bubble in a sat...

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Full Tilt Poker Game #14959474739: Tier Two $24+$2 Sit & Go (109700968), Table 1 - 500/1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:53:55 ET - 2009/09/26
Seat 2: HerbieFT (2,285)
Seat 4: teddyk1 (3,810)
Seat 5: 1-secret-1 (4,475)
Seat 6: plyngpkrforfun (3,220)
Seat 7: guller79 (4,515)
Seat 8: e2202 (4,140)
Seat 9: mcLuvvinpoker (4,555)
e2202 posts the small blind of 500
mcLuvvinpoker posts the big blind of 1,000
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HerbieFT [4c 7d]
HerbieFT raises to 2,285, and is all in
teddyk1 folds
1-secret-1 folds
plyngpkrforfun folds
guller79 calls 2,285
e2202 raises to 4,140, and is all in
mcLuvvinpoker folds
guller79 has 15 seconds left to act
guller79 calls 1,855
e2202 shows [Kh Kc]
HerbieFT shows [4c 7d]
guller79 shows [Ad Qh]
*** FLOP *** [6s 5s 3d]
*** TURN *** [6s 5s 3d] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [6s 5s 3d Qs] [4d]
e2202 shows a pair of Kings
guller79 shows a pair of Queens
e2202 wins the side pot (3,710) with a pair of Kings
HerbieFT shows a straight, Seven high
HerbieFT wins the main pot (7,855) with a straight, Seven high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11,565 Main pot 7,855. Side pot 3,710. | Rake 0
Board: [6s 5s 3d Qs 4d]
Seat 2: HerbieFT showed [4c 7d] and won (7,855) with a straight, Seven high
Seat 4: teddyk1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: 1-secret-1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: plyngpkrforfun didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: guller79 (button) showed [Ad Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 8: e2202 (small blind) showed [Kh Kc] and won (3,710) with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: mcLuvvinpoker (big blind) folded before the Flop >>

[lolbear]

these cooler hands suck, what can you do

[BGboothA]

these cooler hands suck, what can you do

Keep playing good solid poker backed by the math, you will win in the end. Make sure you are starting the right hands and playing them right.

[keyboarding]

http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/891564

[daneblazer]

^ I could see how he called. Your shove looks like a bluff. Though with AJ I'm not sure what he could have put you on other than KQ that would have justified a call.

[keyboarding]

^ I could see how he called. Your shove looks like a bluff. Though with AJ I'm not sure what he could have put you on other than KQ that would have justified a call.

That's the thing. He's beat by any pair on that board, any pocket pair, AK and AQ. That's a lot of chips to commit putting your opponent on a pure bluff.

[neverpay]

Yer it hurts when shit like that happens, but shit happens.
No way he gonna drop his QQ on the flop, suprised he didnt re-raise.
Im sure you have had that moment in reverse.
GL.

[dmtrader]

Bad beats are a regular occurrence in online poker. Maybe poker stars, ultimate bet, party poker, et al manipulate things. Perhaps it's because the anonymity of players gives them the confidence to play crazy hands all the way to the river. Whatever the reason, online poker hands are a crap shoot at best.

Real life poker (in contrast to virtual) is an entirely different game, especially if you at a private table. If you are in one of those crazy tournaments at one of the casinos, it plays just like online poker. I remember a Detroit Red Wing bankrupting himself by continually playing in those casino tournaments.

[KKoz9]

No kidding he got lucky. My point was you see this happen much more online than in live games. These huge hands that are impossible to get away from. Just sick of the online B.S.

I've played both online and live for many years and I don't think there are more lucky hands online. You only see more "bad beats" (which this was not) online because you play hundreds (can be thousands if multi-tabling) of hands a day instead of dozens as in live poker.

[drfunkmaster]

ahh online poker... I wont touch it... I remeber seeing a program on a site where you can see other players cards... and professional players or hackers operatoring these sites off of online sites located on indian reserves. Not mentioning any sites here. But very easily hacked.

[TheLock]

I'm not advocating for anyone or anything... All I'm saying I can't understand why if people think something is rigged they continue to support it with their money... I personally don't play cash games on pokerstars but it is not because I believe it is rigged or because I gotten one too many bad beats... Although it is not always the case I try to be objective and rational in my decisions...

For example, I like to bet sports but know that I'm a long-term loser when it comes to handicapping games... Based on this I greatly limit the games and the amount I bet and look for good values (such as using exchanges and making money elsewhere that easily covers my small loses)... If I lose every game I bet this weekend it won't effect me (at least financially) in the least... (Hell sometimes I realize I probably lost too much the week before and actually skip a week or two...)

Although I might post in some related thread that I got hammered again this week, you won't see starting any threads entitled "screwed again betting football" and responding irrationally a dozen times...

I'll try to make my point another way... If that hand would have occurred in say a .05/.1 game would this thread still exist?

I approve of this post.

[TheLock]

Also, the term "bad beat" has gotten really watered down in the last few years.

A guy felting you when he hits his 11 outer is not a bad beat.


If you find yourself the "victim" of "bad beats" alot, I suggest you read this book (more than once). There is a Volume II as well.

http://www.amazon.com/Cash-Games-No-Limit-Holdem-Money/dp/1880685426/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255492371&sr=8-2

[Zou_fan]

I played for nearly 2 hours today without suffering a single bad beat (might be a new record for me). Perhaps this online poker thing isn't rigged after all. Or, perhaps you will see me post a hand in an hour or so declaring it definitive proof my previous sentence was written before I thought it through.

[eberetta1]

I agree you got a bad beat. Use this to add to your library of knowledge. If you don't have the highest possible
boat on the board, maybe keep the pot a tad bit smaller. It is so hard keeping the pot small after 2 bets of increasing the pot.
But again, if a card comes up on the turn or river that makes your hand no longer the nut don't shoot all the ammo, because it could backfire. I write a list of bad beats in a file to remind myself of plays that hurt. Then I go look at my number 1 rule...Win as much as you can on your winning hands and lose as little as possible on your losing hands. This helps me sometimes not push an all-in on an almost monster(I hope my opponent isn't holding XX) hand.

[Pabinator]

Can anyone run a study for me? Does anyone notice that if 2 players are all in before the flop, the person with the most chips wins way more than they should no matter what cards are? Especially in sitgo's. Also if everyone folds and 2 players are left, if they check or both players see the flop like 90% of the time they both catch more than a decent hand?

I have been playing for years and last month when I started calling people when I had more chips I started to win, not the right play but i have been very successful doing this. I've gone back to not doing so and I keep losing with kk to a6, ak vs a2 all kind of crap when I have less chips than the other person.

Pokerstars is full of crap and I keep wondering why I play on this site when live games I see bad beats but nothing like this. And I hate hearing the more hands per hour, it should still be even

As you can tell I am on tilt

[andywend]

Pabinator, I am going to take an educated guess and say you are a WINNING poker player overall.

Poker is one strange game where WINNING players do all the complaining about how the site is rigged against them.

You rarely if ever hear of a LOSING player complaining about card distribution.

A poker player can have 20 winning weeks in a row and if they have one losing week, the site must be rigged.

[poker_dummy101]

Pabinator, I am going to take an educated guess and say you are a WINNING poker player overall.

Poker is one strange game where WINNING players do all the complaining about how the site is rigged against them.

You rarely if ever hear of a LOSING player complaining about card distribution.

A poker player can have 20 winning weeks in a row and if they have one losing week, the site must be rigged.

r u crazy or what

[poker_dummy101]

Can anyone run a study for me? Does anyone notice that if 2 players are all in before the flop, the person with the most chips wins way more than they should no matter what cards are? Especially in sitgo's. Also if everyone folds and 2 players are left, if they check or both players see the flop like 90% of the time they both catch more than a decent hand?

I have been playing for years and last month when I started calling people when I had more chips I started to win, not the right play but i have been very successful doing this. I've gone back to not doing so and I keep losing with kk to a6, ak vs a2 all kind of crap when I have less chips than the other person.

Pokerstars is full of crap and I keep wondering why I play on this site when live games I see bad beats but nothing like this. And I hate hearing the more hands per hour, it should still be even

As you can tell I am on tilt

do you own sitngo wizard? do you have a record keeping database such as tourney manager?

if you answer no to 1 or the 2 above, please consider getting better and analyzing your place instead of saying the games are rigged.

sng is all about push/fold, ICM, etc etc..not about going all in with aq and losing to kj

[Pabinator]

I am running my study and everything ive stated is coming true. Today's tourny's here is how I lost

AA vs AQ hearts

KK vs AQ

AA vs JJ

JJ vs 88

In all 4 of these situations the other person had more chips.

I think i've had it with online, no more complaining I am just not going to play

[Bigmikesm]

I am running my study and everything ive stated is coming true. Today's tourny's here is how I lost

AA vs AQ hearts

KK vs AQ

AA vs JJ

JJ vs 88

In all 4 of these situations the other person had more chips.

I think i've had it with online, no more complaining I am just not going to play

It's unreal how many hands online are hands that I consider, "unfoldable hands". Hands that are impossible to get off. I feel your pain, and understand your frustration with online poker. I too have deleted pokerstars from my computer many times only to reinstall it a few weeks later. Good luck to you when you return to online poker.

[pwnsta22]

It's a lovely game isn't it? Poker is rough as it is but I always have a tough time trusting an online site. I'll stick to live casino's I see too many bad beats online like this.

[WINGZ]

Get over it BigMike.....these things happen....it only seems it happens more online because of the amount of hands you play....sit in on a live game for as many hours as you play online and VOILA!! its gonna happen...again get over it accept the loss and play on.....and GOOD LUCK!!!

[Bigmikesm]

I'm over it. Been playing alot online lately. Every gambler has said they won't play or gamble again a few times in their lives.

[Kaps]

STAY AWAY FROM ONLINE POKER .....its all rigged

trust me ....go play live at the casinos

[donjuan]

STAY AWAY FROM ONLINE POKER .....its all rigged

trust me ....go play live at the casinos

You're making some pretty serious allegations with absolutely no proof. Yes, certain sites have cheated, but to tar all sites with that brush is pretty bush league without some proof.

FWIW, I had a stretch playing live once where I had Aces cracked 8 times in a row when getting them all in preflop.

It's also worth noting that live poker when compared to similar stakes online is insanely softer than online. If you're only a marginal winner at 1/2 live, you'll likely be a decent sized loser online at 1/2 online.

[TheLock]

It seems like a few of the posters in this thread all make a common mistake when evaluating poker in general. There is a ton of focus on "what hole cards did I have" and not enough focus on "what hole cards might my opponent have" or "how many people saw the flop when my AA/KK/QQ got cracked".

[keyboarding]

I still think it's hilarious that Pokerstars/FullTilt would risk being shutdown or rejected by online players because they rigged some small stakes game.

I've said it a few times and I will say it again, no one cares about your small stakes or $1000 bankroll. Anyone who thinks Pokerstars/FullTilt is rigged seriously needs to get over themselves.

[Enogsiwon]

If you think pokerstars is "random" you ARE an idiot..

I can prove it isnt

[keyboarding]

If you think pokerstars is "random" you ARE an idiot..

I can prove it isnt

If anyone else needed proof that only idiots think Pokerstars is rigged, you now have it.

[big joe 1212]

If you play on Poker Stars, then you should expect bad beats all the time!

[zert]

I do not have any skill in poker, do not play it, and I realize somebody with some card playing skill in the game has the upper hand on betting and reading other players. But you cannot change my mind that the fact is there is a certain amount of luck involved you start turning over cards in the deck. I am sure all the people who are good in poker are mad at this and I should not post this. sorry

[TheLock]

Of course there is luck involved in poker. But over the long term, skill triumphs over the luck and that seperates the very skilled players and the donators.

[taylorshane]

hahahahahahahhahahaha

[Mathiasdamouf]

This is the jokerstars way. A K suited in my hole flop A A K .. Idiot goes all in with pocket 4's and hits turn and river 4 to take 240$ from me and Jokerstars says it is a natural thing.. I personally have logged thousands of hours of online and thousands of hours live in casino's and poker rooms all over the United States including the Bay 101, Foxwoods and still to this day have never seen it happen again. F jokerstars burn your money in your fireplace at least then you get the satisfaction of watching it burn up into thin air.!!! Mathiasdamouf