Tyreek Hill detained on way to the game

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Tyreek acted like a child so the cop lost his cool. I think that's a fair assessment. So, then its fair to say that if Tyreek didn't act like a child, the cop wouldn't have lost his cool right? I think we can. Which also means that none of this would have happened if Tyreek didn't act like a child.



We can't say with absolutely certainty the cop wouldn't have lost his cool, but I am just gonna leave the hypotheticals out if it.

Agreed. One poor action set off another poor reaction. Both are incorrect but the sequence is right there for everyone to see.

It's amazing what a sir, or some humility will do for a situation. Hopefully, both come away better people for it.

And if they went before Judge Judy she would call both of them out, no question. IMO of course.

Probably should do that. Make it a teaching moment for millions, although it might already be. Let's hope so.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Well Hill is being paid by the NFL to be a professional on and off the field. Once in awhile, and I know it is tough for you, try to see both sides of a story. If you still think it is all the cops fault and that Tyreek Hill isn't a complete fukin dipshit clown then I feel sorry for you. How do you always take the sports star side? He could have ran over your son during the speeding and you would be on here telling us that the cops were out of line for arresting him.

By the way, you said "you have zero expectation for what citizens will do". Your own words. Well the cops have a person that is not cooperating and he was most likely thinking the same thing Mac. Hence he goes in cuffs while the situation is being figured out.

What the fukk are you talking about? I was probably the first person in this forum that said Hill acted like a dick. Are you serious? See both sides of a story. When the hell did I say it is all the cops fault. Stop putting words in my mouth. You feel sorry for me because I can't see Hill as a clown? Do you actually read here or just post? How do I always? I did not take Hill's side. He did not run over my son. He was speeding. Give him a fukking ticket. The cops NEVER GAVE HIM A SPEEDING TICKET. HMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!

I've seen citizen act like asses. I've seen drunk idiots over my lifetime. You're not going to solve stupid. BUT cops have a job to do. Do your job. Give him a citation. There was nothing for them to figure out. The cop created a situation that didn't have to be created. Which is why he is on leave and most likely will be fired. Don't abuse your power. Is that too hard to ask? The cop did not have a legal right to put Hill (or any citizen) in handcuffs. If they can do it to Hill, they can do it to you. Which crime was worst? Hill speeding or police officers illegally detaining citizens? His teammates arrived on the scene and they abused their power on them. They even illegally detained one of them. LEARN THE FUKKING LAW OFFICERS BEFORE YOU BREAK IT. Learn the laws citizens before your rights are taken from you.

Some of you guys are straight up pussies that will bend over and let a cop fukk you with a baton and say you like it because, they "told me to". You say you're patriots but you are in favor of a police state. Stop sitting down to pee.

[Mac4Lyfe]

I think it is safe to say that both parties could have, and should have been better. Tyreek acted like a spoiled child which he probably is, and the cop lost his cool, and he knows that as well. But to have to decide which one was more at fault IMO, is an exercise in futility.
They both could have, and should have been more mature and the adult in the room so to speak. Tyreek's level of disrespect in the beginning prompted all of this. Tyreek said, I could have been better. Yes Tyreek, you could have, and should have. Try and show some class and be a man. The cop could have come out of this as a shining example of how to defuse a testy situation. He failed to do so.

Both are at fault IMO and trying to pin blame on one side or the other seems fruitless. Thankfully nobody was hurt and hopefully both learn from this as well as those that watched it. Bottom line, be better. Why? Because you can .

This x1000 Of course both parties were assholes. This is not even a dispute.

BUT the police have a responsibility to be above all this. Just like any other professional. If you work at the Department of Motor Vehicles and some asshole comes up to you. You stay professional. You try to deescalate the situation. If you work at Popeyes and some idiot is in the drive through, you don't drag them out of their car. I would probably think different if this was a police safety issue. Not one second did those police officers feel in fear of their lives. They knew it was Tyreek Hill. The tint excuse is BS. I could see clearly in the car even with the glare from the body cam.

This is the exact words of the officer.

"Put your window down or I'm going to get you out of the car. A matter of fact, get out of the car... then they drag him out."

Two big things to me.

1 - The officer was not clear in his instructions. Hill rolled his window down a bit. Did you mean roll it ALL the way down?

2 - The officer did not give Hill adequate time to roll his window down.

They were not in fear of their lives. Hill posed no safety threat as he already complied, gave his DL. So why are you still giving him orders? At that point you are not enforcing the law. You are breaking the law and abusing your power.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Tyreek acted like a child so the cop lost his cool. I think that's a fair assessment. So, then its fair to say that if Tyreek didn't act like a child, the cop wouldn't have lost his cool right? I think we can. Which also means that none of this would have happened if Tyreek didn't act like a child.
We can't say with absolutely certainty the cop wouldn't have lost his cool, but I am just gonna leave the hypotheticals out if it.

You are spot on. Hill acted like a child, so the cop lost his cool. Isn't that the point? Should cops lose their cool when citizens act like children?


I'm glad you said this. We do not know if the cop wouldn't have lost his cool. Because we don't know. But I'd bet big money that this is not the first time these cop(s) have abused there power. I'd bet there's a lot of history on their encounters with other citizens. We shall soon find out.

[Mac4Lyfe]

and of course.. A very simple search has uncovered the following. This cop is fukked. The city better settle the lawsuits quickly.

https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/sports/cop-at-center-of-tyreek-hill-detainment-suspended-six-times/

Miami cop at center of Tyreek Hill detainment was previously suspended six times

[COLOR=var(--wp--preset--color--black)]By Jared Schwartz

[COLOR=var(--wp--preset--color--black)]Published Sep. 13, 2024, 7:31 p.m. ET
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[COLOR=var(--wp--preset--color--gray-g)]A Miami-Dade police officer at the center of Tyreek Hill’s controversial detainment reportedly has a history of misconduct.
[COLOR=var(--wp--preset--color--gray-g)]Danny Torres, who Hill accused of using “excessive” force when he detained the Dolphins’ superstar wide receiver prior to the team’s season opener on Sunday following a traffic stop for alleged speeding, was suspended six times previously in his career, according to Andy Slater.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=var(--wp--preset--color--gray-g)]The suspensions varied in length from five to 20 days.[/COLOR]
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[Mac4Lyfe]

How the fukk is this guy still on the police force???


Torres has been the subject of at least six Internal Affairs investigations between 2004 and 2018, the personnel record shows. His discipline history also includes multiple written reprimands.
In October 2014, Torres was investigated for complaints of conduct unbecoming, force violations and discourtesy. All five allegations in that complaint were sustained after the Internal Affairs investigation, the personnel record shows.
A little more than a year later, Torres was again alleged to have made a force violation, but the complaint was not sustained during the investigation. However, a discourtesy allegation was sustained.
Torres in 2018 was investigated for allegations of improper procedure, conduct unbecoming and improper body-worn camera procedure. He was found to have violated the body-worn camera procedure in that investigation, the record showed.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

How the fukk is this guy still on the police force???


Torres has been the subject of at least six Internal Affairs investigations between 2004 and 2018, the personnel record shows. His discipline history also includes multiple written reprimands.
In October 2014, Torres was investigated for complaints of conduct unbecoming, force violations and discourtesy. All five allegations in that complaint were sustained after the Internal Affairs investigation, the personnel record shows.
A little more than a year later, Torres was again alleged to have made a force violation, but the complaint was not sustained during the investigation. However, a discourtesy allegation was sustained.
Torres in 2018 was investigated for allegations of improper procedure, conduct unbecoming and improper body-worn camera procedure. He was found to have violated the body-worn camera procedure in that investigation, the record showed.

Mac, I know you are a social justice warrior and everything but how many chances has Hill had again? Beating women, children etc and he has the nerve to call for the officer's job when he has been given a 2nd, 3rd and 4th chance.

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This x1000 Of course both parties were assholes. This is not even a dispute.

BUT the police have a responsibility to be above all this. Just like any other professional. If you work at the Department of Motor Vehicles and some asshole comes up to you. You stay professional. You try to deescalate the situation. If you work at Popeyes and some idiot is in the drive through, you don't drag them out of their car. I would probably think different if this was a police safety issue. Not one second did those police officers feel in fear of their lives. They knew it was Tyreek Hill. The tint excuse is BS. I could see clearly in the car even with the glare from the body cam.

This is the exact words of the officer.

"Put your window down or I'm going to get you out of the car. A matter of fact, get out of the car... then they drag him out."

Two big things to me.

1 - The officer was not clear in his instructions. Hill rolled his window down a bit. Did you mean roll it ALL the way down?

2 - The officer did not give Hill adequate time to roll his window down.

They were not in fear of their lives. Hill posed no safety threat as he already complied, gave his DL. So why are you still giving him orders? At that point you are not enforcing the law. You are breaking the law and abusing your power.

I am not against your point of view on this. I do not know that officers past history. It was engrained in me at a young age that anyone should show respect to an elder and or anyone doing their job until such a time that it calls for something else. The line was" A little respect will go a long way". It irritates me that a guy like Tyreek would not do that.

But, you are 100% correct as well. The cop could have taken control of the situation and instead, lost his temper. If he has a past history of that, he should be gone. But... who wants to step up and be the next cop for crappy pay and have to deal with all they have to deal with.

I am not saying the cop is not at fault. Of course he is. And he is most likely, once we start to see his overall record, going to be fired.

So does Tyreek deserve compensation for this. Hell No IMO. Act like a cocky a hole and get a settlement out of it? How about let's suspend him for conduct unbecoming of a football player. Oh yeah, those fools get away with murder, sometimes literally as we have witnessed.

It was a real bad decision that a good cop would have come away looking like a hero if he/she had handled it correctly.

. And no, Tyreek did not ask to be a role model but like it or not for Tyreek, it comes with the multiple millions he gets for being in the public eye. Nobody said it is fair, probably isn't. But that's the way it is and shame on him for showing his ignorance towards showing just a little respect. It would have gone a long way in this case. IMO.

If that is way off base in your mind, we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm big on showing respect. Nobody should be exempt from that IMO. Not even those in that political hot mess thread here. And when I see that being abused, no matter who said what, I have nothing for anyone like that.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Mac, I know you are a social justice warrior and everything but how many chances has Hill had again? Beating women, children etc and he has the nerve to call for the officer's job when he has been given a 2nd, 3rd and 4th chance.

If Hill was a police officer, I would be calling for his ass to be fired as well. He's not. He's an entitled idiot athlete. If you have talent you will always be given multiple opportunities. I know traders who drive drunk, get high on cocaine, beat women, act an ass, break laws, etc., but because they know how to predict numbers, companies pay them millions. Is it fair? Nope. Life is not fair. There's a lot of wealthy assholes out there.

[Mac4Lyfe]

So does Tyreek deserve compensation for this. Hell No IMO. Act like a cocky a hole and get a settlement out of it? How about let's suspend him for conduct unbecoming of a football player. Oh yeah, those fools get away with murder, sometimes literally as we have witnessed.

It was a real bad decision that a good cop would have come away looking like a hero if he/she had handled it correctly.

. And no, Tyreek did not ask to be a role model but like it or not for Tyreek, it comes with the multiple millions he gets for being in the public eye. Nobody said it is fair, probably isn't. But that's the way it is and shame on him for showing his ignorance towards showing just a little respect. It would have gone a long way in this case. IMO.

If that is way off base in your mind, we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm big on showing respect. Nobody should be exempt from that IMO. Not even those in that political hot mess thread here. And when I see that being abused, no matter who said what, I have nothing for anyone like that.

I don't think Hill deserves compensation but the city of Miami will pay him. It's not worth the risk to take this to trial. The lawyers will tell the city to cut a check and lawyers on both sides will be the real winners. It's like insurance fraud these days. You could smash into my car on purpose and then sue my insurance company. They will pay you thousands because it's not worth taking it to trial. Our justice system is all screwed up.
I agree with you. You are not off base. Citizens should show more respect. We need more love than hate. But as far as athletes, we have too many people playing fantasy football that put Hill on a pedestal because he was worth 20+ points. Too much is riding on wins and losses.

[Eddy Munny]

If Hill was a police officer, I would be calling for his ass to be fired as well. He's not. He's an entitled idiot athlete. If you have talent you will always be given multiple opportunities. I know traders who drive drunk, get high on cocaine, beat women, act an ass, break laws, etc., but because they know how to predict numbers, companies pay them millions. Is it fair? Nope. Life is not fair. There's a lot of wealthy assholes out there.

Well using that logic, I guess we can exonerate the copper on a whim.

"He's a civil servant who lost his temper, but he has some authority and with that comes flexibility in conduct. If you have some authority, there will always be opportunities to bend the rules. Is it fair? Nope. Life is not fair. I know some politicians in Congress who use taxpayers' money to throw lavish parties, with drugs and hookers and yet they still hold office. There's a lot of powerful assholes out there."

See how your logic sounds read back to you?

I really don't care that Hill was cuffed, it was in all likelihood an inevitability, given how the interaction was going. The cop's tone and attitude was out of pocket, sure, but had they sent in Fred Rogers to issue the ticket he'd still be tapping on the window as we speak.

I'm sure cops have other things to do besides handle Reek with kid gloves by the side of the road all damn day.

[OVAKUL]

Hill is an idiot

Watch his team slide to 1-3 next 2 weeks

Ball don't lie.

[Eddy Munny]

Hill is an idiot

Watch his team slide to 1-3 next 2 weeks

Ball don't lie.

Well the Fins are about to slide, but it has more to do with Tua getting his bell rung. Hill is an idiot though and he probably invited some bad karma upon his team. Hill is probably on an Antonio Brown type of trajectory. His skill set is so reliant on freak athleticism that once it begins to diminish, his profile as a game changer will radically go with it. But he'll still be a head case and fewer organisations are going to be willing to incur the risk of having him on the roster.