Luka

**IBetYou** · 01-12-23, 01:22 PM

Top players at each position: Curry, SGA, Doncic, Anteto', Jokic

-only one American among them. It's good for the sport globally.

**Goat Milk** · 01-12-23, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by goduke

Doesn’t matter how intelligent you thing rondo was if Pierce and Garnett weren’t filling up the stat sheet off double teams they would have been getting murder every night because rondo wasn’t capable of hitting jumpers.
Yeah he played defense but he had to or else that was the end of his career. There’s a reason that rondo was a non factor once pierce and Garnett aged out.

Don't have to hit jumpers, Rondo was the fastest player in the league. No one ran a fast break like him. He had eyes in the back of his head. Lots of great pgs couldn't shoot, including the best pg of all time. Rondo still averaged like 14 7 and 7 in that finals I believe and a pest on defense. He was probably the best player on Boston in 2010.

**Goat Milk** · 01-12-23, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by IBetYou

All these terrible player comparisons... Harden not very good in the playoffs. Good teams force him to drive and load up the paint, and this shuts him down most nights. Good luck with that strategy vs Doncic. He's in a different relm.

For a while there was talk Harden just needed a quality big man. The notion was Howard didn't cut it - fair point - but now he has Embiid and it still doesn't work. He's just not v.good. SGA is the top 2-guard in the NBA... much better than Harden ever was imo.

Harden was an mvp candidate every year of his prime. He wasn't good in the playoffs, but had very little help. He took a shit Houston team to 1 game from the finals. They had no one. Harden and Doncic is a great comparison. People forget what a prolific scorer Harden was in his prime. Luka took his entire step back move from Harden, admitted it himself. You want to know the difference between Dirk and Doncic? Dirk could not have the ball for 20 seconds of the shot clock, come down off a curl, ball hits his hands, and boom, the ball is already in the air. Kobe and Durant do the same thing. When is the last time you saw Harden or Doncic do that? Never. It's never happened. Find me one clip of Doncic coming off a down screen and shooting it immediately. Why doesn't he? Because he has a need to control the game. Dominate the ball. You know everything I'm saying is true, and if not you're going to see it play out in real time over these years, you're just being biased. Players that hog the ball like Doncic does aren't very successful in the nba. This isn't Europe, it's high level basketball and you have to play as a team. One man cannot win championships on his own. Even Kobe needed to figure that out the hard way.

But Luka doesn't have the Kobe gene. Kobe was shit on defense, then sought out mentors and became the best defender in the world. Kobe was a shit leader. Isolated. Withdrawn. Then sought mentors on how to become a better leader. Kobe hated to pass, then realized he had to pass in order to go to 3 straight finals after Shaq. Does Luka have that quality, or is he like Westbrook and Harden? Instagram player, always an mvp candidate, but never a real committment to improving the little things that no one talks about?

**Goat Milk** · 01-12-23, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by IBetYou

Top players at each position: Curry, SGA, Doncic, Anteto', Jokic

-only one American among them. It's good for the sport globally.

SGA doesn't play defense bro. It's amazing to me how this instagram culture doesn't understand that 2 way players are the best players in the world. Why did Jimmy Butler take a shit Miami team to the finals? Cause he guards the opposing best player, and in the playoffs, he's gonna give you 30 6 and 6. Doncic doesn't guard anyone. Kobe won 5 rings cause he was the best defender in the world. Giannis is one of the best defenders in the world. Lebron and D Wade went to 4 straight because no one could score on them. Teams were scoring 90 pts a night on that Heat team. They were both all defensive players for much of their careers. One was a DPOY candidate and the other is a guy that has the most blocks for a guard in nba history despite missing hundreds of games in his nba career due to injury. There is a pattern here...

When assessing the greatest players ever, it's so funny how no one talks about defense and just go by stats. Kobe and Jordan are the two best by far, it's not even close. They're the only two players in nba history who for a long stretch were the best offensive players in the nba and the best defensive players in the nba simultaneously. That's never happened again since those two.

**IBetYou** · 01-12-23, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

SGA doesn't play defense bro. It's amazing to me how this instagram culture doesn't understand that 2 way players are the best players in the world. Why did Jimmy Butler take a shit Miami team to the finals? Cause he guards the opposing best player, and in the playoffs, he's gonna give you 30 6 and 6. Doncic doesn't guard anyone. Kobe won 5 rings cause he was the best defender in the world. Giannis is one of the best defenders in the world. Lebron and D Wade went to 4 straight because no one could score on them. Teams were scoring 90 pts a night on that Heat team. They were both all defensive players for much of their careers. One was a DPOY candidate and the other is a guy that has the most blocks for a guard in nba history despite missing hundreds of games in his nba career due to injury. There is a pattern here...

When assessing the greatest players ever, it's so funny how no one talks about defense and just go by stats. Kobe and Jordan are the two best by far, it's not even close. They're the only two players in nba history who for a long stretch were the best offensive players in the nba and the best defensive players in the nba simultaneously. That's never happened again since those two.

A great 2-way player is not necessarily better than an elite offensive player and vice-versa. Consider K.Leonard... I've seen too many games where A) his defense isn't stopping the other scorer and B) his own offensive ability is lacking. He's probably the best midrange scorer in the game today - Jordan like - but very streaky as a scorer. Needs to be surrounded by intelligent playmakers both in the backcourt and up front, as he was in SA & Toronto.

btw Butler is a forward. Big guy at 6'7 230. Best players in the game are forwards, able to score inside & out. Best defenders in the game are frontliners, able to defend inside & out. Defense is not that important for guards imo -it didn't stop Curry from being the best player in last year's playoffs.

**IBetYou** · 01-12-23, 09:06 PM

SGA giving Harden a pasting right now. 27pts & 5a, 9/13, 2t with 7mins still to play ...that's efficiency. I don't care if he's not guarding Harden on the other. Also don't think he's a substandard defender.

**jjgold** · 01-12-23, 10:38 PM

Like I’ve been saying statistics way over inflated now

Jordan would average 45 points a game in today’s play

**lakerboy** · 01-12-23, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Like I’ve been saying statistics way over inflated now

Jordan would average 45 points a game in today’s play

Yup . League is a joke now but I still bet it lol.

**Kermit** · 01-13-23, 12:09 AM

Luka with a Triple Double in a low scoring game.

**IBetYou** · 01-13-23, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

Luka with a Triple Double in a low scoring game.

Refs absolutely dominant in this game. Doncic with the clutch step-back three ...to force OT?

**RonPaul2008** · 01-13-23, 12:27 AM

OMG that was a foul on the 3 and they didn't call it. WTF??

**Kermit** · 01-13-23, 12:39 AM

Luka with a 3 to tie the game in OT and Lebron misses to win it. Now double OT.

**RonPaul2008** · 01-13-23, 12:42 AM

Unreal, I had the under at halftime, screwed...not by overtime, but by double ot.

**IBetYou** · 01-13-23, 01:04 AM

Nice to see Wood playing some defense. He's a bit better than KP imo. Probably not good enough for the big prize.

GM, you say Doncic doesn't close out to shooters and doesn't let others make plays. Didn't see either of these things in this game. Dinwiddie with some nice driving dunks for the Mavs. Imagine if he had George/ Morris/ Jackson on his team like Leonard does -I think he'd get to rest quite a bit on the offensive end.

**slayer14** · 01-13-23, 05:00 AM

He the best white player in NBA currently

**kingdom** · 01-13-23, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by kingdom

Pau Gasol was the real mvp of that second title. kobe shot bricks that whole series. he became a rebounder at the end because he couldn't make a bucket. check his game 7 stats. and let's not pretend this team didn't win because of defense and phil jackson. Beating Dwight Howard and the Magic wasn't the most impressive thing in the world. and the celts blew that series. and it was more Gasol than Kobe that gave the celtics problems.

Kobe was 8-20 shooting game 2, 10-29 game 3, and 6-24 game 7. he only shot .500 one game in the series. he was throwing up more bricks than Russ.Pau had 19 and 18 boards in game 7. 9 on offense. he had a double/double in five of 7 games and went to the line at least 10 times in 4 of the games. scored over 20 in 3 of those games well. Kobe made 66 shots in 163 attempts. barely outshot ron artest hitting only 40 percent. lebron would be crucified for this.

**jjgold** · 01-13-23, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by slayer14

He the best white player in NBA currently

no Joker by far he makes everyone better, Doncic does not

**stevenash** · 01-13-23, 10:22 AM

35/14/13
There's a slash line you don't see everyday.

Those are the types of triple double slash lines that I used to torture Thom O. Rino, attorney at law with.

**JIBBBY** · 01-13-23, 10:25 AM

Larry Legend 2.0...

**budwiser** · 01-13-23, 11:59 AM

imagine joker and doncic on the same team. would never happen but would be unbelivable. they would fit together tremendously.

**stevenash** · 01-13-23, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by budwiser

imagine joker and doncic on the same team. would never happen but would be unbelivable. they would fit together tremendously.

Toss in a lock down defender in there you'll have a dynasty.

**budwiser** · 01-13-23, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

Toss in a lock down defender in there you'll have a dynasty.

best paint passing player with best individual shot manufacturer in the game. we can always dream that would be spectacular to watch

**JIBBBY** · 01-13-23, 02:02 PM

^White players can't defend in the NBA. The all white all star NBA team would get exposed on the defensive end and especially on the perimeter. Tyler Herro can't do it all..

Don't forget about Kevin Love coming off the bench though.

**budwiser** · 01-13-23, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

^White players can't defend in the NBA. The all white all star NBA team would get exposed on the defensive end and especially on the perimeter. Tyler Herro can't do it all..

Don't forget about Kevin Love coming off the bench though.

the all white team is what, bogdanovic joker luka markkenen sabonis

yeah they better start hitting 3s against this team lol

**IBetYou** · 01-13-23, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by budwiser

the all white team is what, bogdanovic joker luka markkenen sabonis

yeah they better start hitting 3s against this team lol

Grayson Allen's got to make the team surely! Gotta space the floor. That would be the best AS game ever

**budwiser** · 01-13-23, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by IBetYou

Grayson Allen's got to make the team surely! Gotta space the floor. That would be the best AS game ever

Yeah him or bogdo or herro

Definitely the weak spot on the team but gotta have a perimeter scorer

**budwiser** · 01-13-23, 09:20 PM

Maybe better off just putting adams or porzingis go celtics style beat teams up

**IBetYou** · 01-13-23, 09:27 PM

Chet might be the best whitey you Americans have to offer in a few years time -needs to bulk up! Herro is good though -I forgot about him even though I read it above lol

**JIBBBY** · 01-13-23, 09:28 PM

White players still representing in the NBA which is a miracle!

**IBetYou** · 01-13-23, 09:50 PM

Some people bang on about 2-way players but if you have a lineup like Herro/ Bogdan/ Doncic/ Chet/ Jokic and you're scoring 1.5pts per possession (outlandish?) then zone up on the defensive end you're gonna win

**IBetYou** · 01-13-23, 09:57 PM

Giddey is the best white pg today -I'm watching him now

**IBetYou** · 01-13-23, 09:59 PM

Only two Asians in the league -the Denisovan gene not good for running & jumping

**budwiser** · 01-14-23, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by IBetYou

Some people bang on about 2-way players but if you have a lineup like Herro/ Bogdan/ Doncic/ Chet/ Jokic and you're scoring 1.5pts per possession (outlandish?) then zone up on the defensive end you're gonna win

I give that team +250 to win the Olympics lol

**Thrilla** · 01-15-23, 12:07 AM

Getting raped by a Portland team that can't even remember what winning is. This guy is a overrated shit.

**IBetYou** · 01-23-23, 06:26 AM

Coach Kidd asked how to fix the poor FT shooting of the Mavs. He says don't go to the line. Yeah, good one. Why all these former players acting as head coach? Like asking a horse to become a jockey imo.