Matchbook Sucks...........................

[Nicky Santoro]

So greedy? They just cut commission, moron. Instead of -188.77/+180.32, it's now -187.88/+181.19 in your example. Cutting commission is being greedy? Only an absolute moron would think that. And only a fukkin retard would start a thread like this after they did.

once again you're an idiot for not paying attention here.. why you comparing 2% to 1%? i want them to charge 0.6% like baseball.. get that through your thick skull. do you have ADD? i think so.

[Fishhead]

Guys, question.

Is there a way to see what amounts you offered a bet and have recieved 0.1% commission AND where you paid 0.6% on the same game........BEFORE THE GAME BEGINS???


fh

[MonkeyF0cker]

Yeah. And I want them to give me a $1,000,000,000 freeplay. Shut up, clown. It's obvious you had no idea they reduce commission for baseball to increase liquidity in the slowest betting season of the year. Noob.

Nicky: I'll never play at Matchbook again! They reduced commission!

What an idiot.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Guys, question.

Is there a way to see what amounts you offered a bet and have recieved 0.1% commission AND where you paid 0.6% on the same game........BEFORE THE GAME BEGINS???


fh

The only way that I'm aware of is programmatically through the API.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I almost never use the web interface though... I programmed an interface to the API about a year and a half ago.

[Fishhead]

The only way that I'm aware of is programmatically through the API.

Right

I hate not knowing exactly what I have............which occurs when I'm getting and paying commission on the same game.

[Doug]

there you have it, douglas, i am right again.. dougy boy, just read ganch's post and you'll see i was right........................ as usual

it is indeed a 7 cent crappy line..

I dare say Ganch is wrong here !

You take a +184, you get +183 ( or better if MLB)

Nicky If I bet a +184, 100 to win 184, and win, then I lose $1 in commision to MB, so I got +183.

Correct me if I am wrong !

[bookie]

ICE---Part of me says that things may be better if we DON'T get any more exchanges.

Thoughts

I can see that. For the bettor it's all about liquidity, and if any money that was at MB goes to the CRIS exchange that could make em both frustrating places to play.

I can't imagine that CRIS exchange is going to go for the kind of thin commissions that MB is giving us, though. They must hold two or three percent on all the 11-10 they write and why would they let their customers run it through an exchange and in which they held eight-tenths of a percent like MB?

[Doug]

After more thougt, I am risking $101 to win $184, because I'd be charged $1 if if I lose, so it is 184 divided by 1.01, for +182.18 on the dog, still not the +181 you stated !

[Doug]

I can see that. For the bettor it's all about liquidity, and if any money that was at MB goes to the CRIS exchange that could make em both frustrating places to play.

I can't imagine that CRIS exchange is going to go for the kind of thin commissions that MB is giving us, though. They must hold two or three percent on all the 11-10 they write and why would they let their customers run it through an exchange and in which they held eight-tenths of a percent like MB?

CRIS will charge more, fore certain.

MB is fair about it, IMO !

[Doug]

Ganch is correct, as usual !

Still the best deal out there, even if it were 7 cents !

Who beats that ?

[Doug]

At 1% commission:

-185 => -187.88
+184 => +181.19

Market width of ~6.69¢, theoretical hold of ~0.820%.

Who offers better ?

Nicky is essentially correct by saying 7 cents, but 7 is still great !

[fiveteamer]

LOL, are you complaining about 4/10th of a percentile?

1% commish would be nice when you compare it to horse racing and I have to pay the greedy track 26% on average. Try beating that shit.

[Fishhead]

TRIVIA/QUESTION/INQUIRY.........


You ACCEPT an offer at MB at +106 betting 100 to win 106.

In reality, what price are you really obtaining considering you have to pay 0.6% commision on the RISKED money, WIN or LOSE????

GO, but take your time,
-FH-

DOUG........be the first to jump in here and answer my question.

FH

[HedgeHog]

100.6 to win 105.4 (+1.0477) ?

[Fishhead]

100.6 to win 105.4 (+1.0477) ?

Is he correct???

[Doug]

DOUG........be the first to jump in here and answer my question.

FH

I'll give it a shot in a few minutes, just for you Mr. Fishhead ! I ain't Ganchy, though !

[Doug]

I get +105.367

I get this by starting with 106, and dividing it by 100.6, but I'm not Ganchrow !

[Doug]

My figure looks sort of right to me ?

Need (Ganch) to verify it.

[Doug]

****ing Ganchrow is a million levels over me in Math, but I think I nailed this one ! I can only hope so ? Math is important, but it isn't everything !

I never even took any Colledge Math.

[Zelda]

Funny thread lol..they are just another out, why would you want to stop using them Nicky.
It´s a reduced juice shop, nothing more and nothing less, they are not the Messiah but they also don´t "suck"..

[Fishhead]

Funny thread lol..they are just another out, why would you want to stop using them Nicky.
It´s a reduced juice shop, nothing more and nothing less, they are not the Messiah but they also don´t "suck"..

I disagree, they are the nuts!!!

[Nicky Santoro]

Funny thread lol..they are just another out, why would you want to stop using them Nicky.
It´s a reduced juice shop, nothing more and nothing less, they are not the Messiah but they also don´t "suck"..

zelda,

they give false impressions to people.. alot of people get fooled by the -185/+184 line and think that matchy has 1 cent lines, when in reality, they carry a 7 cent line. matchy is a bunch of liars and the poor kids have no idea they are playing into 7 cent lines and not 1 cent lines..

they charge too much at 1%.. they should lower it to 0.6% just like bases..

matchy is better than that.. why are they so money hungry for?

[Fishhead]

zelda,

they give false impressions to people.. alot of people get fooled by the -185/+184 line and think that matchy has 1 cent lines, when in reality, they carry a 7 cent line. matchy is a bunch of liars and the poor kids have no idea they are playing into 7 cent lines and not 1 cent lines..

they charge too much at 1%.. they should lower it to 0.6% just like bases..

matchy is better than that.. why are they so money hungry for?

Perhaps they are trying to bailout WSEX.............

[Zelda]

because they want to make money, just like the books? ^^

[Ganchrow]

You ACCEPT an offer at MB at +106 betting 100 to win 106.

In reality, what price are you really obtaining considering you have to pay 0.6% commision on the RISKED money, WIN or LOSE????

I get +105.367

I get this by starting with 106, and dividing it by 100.6, but I'm not Ganchrow !

Using either my Simple Matchbook Commission Calculator or the MB2US()/MB2DEC() functions of my http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicappe...tml#post256487 one finds that +106 at 0.6% Matchbook commission would be the straight (0 comm) equivalent of ~+104.77.

For the programmatically inclined, the VBA functions used to perform these calculations are straightforward:

[B]Public Function MB2US(ByVal dUSOdds As Double, ByVal dCommission) As Double
    If dUSOdds < 0 Then
        MB2US = Dec2US( _
                    1 + (1 - dCommission) / _
                        (-dUSOdds / 100 + dCommission) _
                )
    Else
        MB2US = Dec2US( _
                    1 + (dUSOdds / 100 - dCommission) / _
                        (1 + dCommission) _
                )
    End If
End Function[/B]

[COLOR="Red"]Public Function Dec2US(ByVal DecimalOdds As Double) As Double
    [/COLOR][COLOR="SeaGreen"]' convert decimal-style odds to US-style Odds
[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"]    If DecimalOdds >= 2 Then
        Dec2US = (DecimalOdds - 1) * 100
    Else
        Dec2US = -100 / (DecimalOdds - 1)
    End If
End Function[/COLOR]

[hhsilver]

100.6 to win 105.4 (+1.0477) ?

this is correct. doug, i think you are neglecting the fact that you risk more than 100 and win less than 106.

[RonPaul2008]

It's better than that...

-184 means 185 to win 100 (-185)
+185 mean 101 to win 185 (+183.168168)

less than a 2 cent line (unless you make the offer of course)

Matchbook rocks!

After more thougt, I am risking $101 to win $184, because I'd be charged $1 if if I lose, so it is 184 divided by 1.01, for +182.18 on the dog, still not the +181 you stated !

[Doug]

I make offers, more than I accept them...still the vig is great, even if I can't calculate properly to 3 decimal places, Like Ganchy !

[Nicky Santoro]

It's better than that...

-184 means 185 to win 100 (-185)
+185 mean 101 to win 185 (+183.168168)

less than a 2 cent line (unless you make the offer of course)

Matchbook rocks!

ronny paul, your math is all screwed up..

[RonPaul2008]

They charge 1% of the lesser of the win or risk. Your math is based on 1% of the higher amount. My math is not screwed up.

ronny paul, your math is all screwed up..

[Nicky Santoro]

They charge 1% of the lesser of the win or risk. Your math is based on 1% of the higher amount. My math is not screwed up.

NO ronny paul, your math is screwed up.. -185/+184 is NOT a 2 cent line.. it's a 7 cent line.

-185 = 1860 to win 990 or -187.88
+184 = 1830 to lose 1010 or +181.19

or -188/+181

[RonPaul2008]

I was slightly off on how they take the fee out...but it's still a far cry from the 7 cent line you are claiming...

It works like this:

-185 = 185 to win 99 (-186.8686)
+184 = 100 to win 183 (+183)

less than a 4 cent line. Good luck finding that elsewhere.

They charge 1% of the lesser of the win or risk. Your math is based on 1% of the higher amount. My math is not screwed up.

[RonPaul2008]

You are doubling the fee by adding to the risk and subtracting from the win...that is not how it works.

NO ronny paul, your math is screwed up.. -185/+184 is NOT a 2 cent line.. it's a 7 cent line.

-185 = 1860 to win 990 or -187.88
+184 = 1830 to lose 1010 or +181.19

or -188/+181

[Nicky Santoro]

I was slightly off on how they take the fee out...but it's still a far cry from the 7 cent line you are claiming...

It works like this:

-185 = 185 to win 99 (-186.8686)
+184 = 100 to win 183 (+183)

less than a 4 cent line. Good luck finding that elsewhere.

ronny paul, once again you're doing it wrong.. it's 186 to win 99, not 185 to win 99..
and it's 101 to win 183, not 100 to win 183.. so it's not 4 cent line, it's 7 cent line.