Matchbook Sucks...........................

[hhsilver]

I was slightly off on how they take the fee out...but it's still a far cry from the 7 cent line you are claiming...

It works like this:

-185 = 185 to win 99 (-186.8686)
+184 = 100 to win 183 (+183)

less than a 4 cent line. Good luck finding that elsewhere.

Nicky is right , Ron.

You pay fee whether you win or lose. What you show above is a fee only if you win.

should be, as nicky said, -185 >>>>>>>risk 186 to win 99
.......................and..... +184 >>>>>>>risk 101 to win 183

[MonkeyF0cker]

Here's a more realistic line for those sports since most wagers are ATS anyway. A -105/+104 line is equivalent to -107.07/+101.98, a market width of 5.09 cents. If you can't beat 5 cent lines, what can you beat? Nicky is on crack as usual.

[Fishhead]

This thread is getting good.........

I can see why I make money everyday using Matchbook.

[Nicky Santoro]

Here's a more realistic line for those sports since most wagers are ATS anyway. A -105/+104 line is equivalent to -107.07/+101.98, a market width of 5.09 cents. If you can't beat 5 cent lines, what can you beat? Nicky is on crack as usual.

funny how you show a line near even.. but even at that, a 1 cent line turns into a 5 cent line.. and the higher the price, then it becomes a 7 cent line..

how is matchy now better than pinny? matchy has -188/+181.. pinny has -190/+182.. they are almost identical now.. that's not good cause matchy is supposed to be a saviour..matchy is supposed to be GOD..but according to these lines, they are not as good as people think..

can you say OVERRATED.

they have to lower that shitty 1%..

[Fishhead]

funny how you show a line near even.. but even at that, a 1 cent line turns into a 5 cent line.. and the higher the price, then it becomes a 7 cent line..

how is matchy now better than pinny? matchy has -188/+181.. pinny has -190/+182.. they are almost identical now.. that's not good cause matchy is supposed to be a saviour..matchy is supposed to be GOD..but according to these lines, they are not as good as people think..

can you say OVERRATED.

they have to lower that shitty 1%..

Don't pay the 1%, recieve the 0.2%.........

[Nicky Santoro]

Don't pay the 1%, recieve the 0.2%.........

if you alwys get the 0.2%, then matchy is great.. you'd be playing into a +ev line.. big diff here.. when line is -185/+184, you play into a 7 cent line. if you make an offer of -184 and it gets accepted, you now play into a 0 cent line.. talk about a big swing..
but the problem is, it doesn't always get accepted at that price you want, and more importantly, it might get accepted at -184, but don't be shocked if 1 min later, line is now -179..

[MonkeyF0cker]

Pinny is NOT 8 cents wide at -190, Nicky. More like 15 cents or so. And a -105/+104 is more realistic for ATS wagers than -190/+182.

[Fishhead]

Pinny is NOT 8 cents wide at -190, Nicky. More like 15 cents or so. And a -105/+104 is more realistic for ATS wagers than -190/+182.

Nicky---this is two excellent points.

[MonkeyF0cker]

The point still remains, their vig is better than any major book out there currently - even if Pinny did have 8 cent lines at -190 (which isn't the case).

[Nicky Santoro]

5 dimes is 8 cents wide.. -190/+182.. and i play alot of moneylines, so it affects me more..

all i can say is matchy should lower their commission and if not, i am definitely not going to be betting as much for NFL, NBA and NHL.. they are crooks..

they just lost a great customer..

[Sawyer]

Nicky,

%1 is low already! Betfair charges %5!

Standart Book Vig is 10-cent.
Reduced Books offer 5-cent lines.
Matchbook offers 1-cent lines and they charge comission on "profit" only.

If odds are 1,95 then the calculation is not 1.95 x 0.99! It's wrong Math!
True Calculation is 1.95 - 1 = 0.95 x 0.99 = 1,94

Standart books are offering 1.91 while Matchbook is offering 1,94!

Matchbook is Great, Hands down!

Books are offering 1.91 - 1.91 (-110) odds for basketball.

Reduced Juice books are offering 1.95 - 1.95 odds.

Matchbook is offering 1.99 - 2.00 odds.

[MonkeyF0cker]

5 dimes is 8 cents wide.. -190/+182.. and i play alot of moneylines, so it affects me more..

Uhh. No they aren't. Who the hell can bet their reduced juice lineset? And $500 limits? Please. That's not even an argument.

all i can say is matchy should lower their commission and if not, i am definitely not going to be betting as much for NFL, NBA and NHL.. they are crooks..

they just lost a great customer..

They just lowered their commission. How many times must that be said? Only an idiot would leave an exchange because they lowered their commission.

[Fishhead]

How about instead of wishing MB would lower their commissions a tad.........how about instead they raise their commission paybacks to clients offerring wagers??

[JoshW]

How about instead of wishing MB would lower their commissions a tad.........how about instead they raise their commission paybacks to clients offerring wagers??

I feel like they already have that covered. If they were to make any move now, I would hope it would be do decrease commission on taking offers.

[curinator]

How about instead of wishing MB would lower their commissions a tad.........how about instead they raise their commission paybacks to clients offerring wagers??

Then there would be no liquidity. That wouldn't help us people who offer right now, that would only hurt the situation.

I'd take a commission payback cut if they reduced the charged commission to those who accept offers, just so offers could be accepted far more quickly and everyone wouldn't just be sitting there waiting for a 1 cent line to move to a 2 cent line so they can get their offer in and be the first to be accepted on that new line.

[bookie]

Be interesting to see if their basketball volume goes up this year, and if they'll be able to offer cent markets on 1H's.

Structure changed in March, and as someone said, it was hit or miss on whether you could get a good line--nothing like baseball.

[Doug]

The point still remains, their vig is better than any major book out there currently - even if Pinny did have 8 cent lines at -190 (which isn't the case).

Very true, even more so when you get into big spreads ( ML) like in Boxing. Stuff that is 10-1, can't be beat at MB.

[WileOut]

yes, i know baseball is 0.6% and i love it and that's how it should always be.. they are being greedy at 1%.. they should keep it at 0.6%.. big diff between the 2.

yes, the majority of my bets are offers accepted, but still, i do have alot that are not offers that i jump on right away. i play a lot of games each day, so at least 10 games is not offers and i dont want to play into a 7 cent line now.. -185/+184 is now -188/+181..

if i continue to bet at matchy, i swear i will play 12 games a day now instead of 22 games a day.. they will lose a lot of business from me.. this will cost them much more in the long run when i stop giving them action, along with hundreds of other gamblers who will do the same as me.

With 1% each way, it is still better than paying full vig at a regular book. Easily better.

And the volume will pick up substantially once football season starts.

How on earth can you complain about 2%? I don't see how they make it now, I can't imagine how they would make it if they kept 0.6% throughout the year.

How much do other exchanges charge? 5%? How much does Betfair charge?

How can you call them crooks for giving you the best line available?

matchbook is here to stay.

[Nicky Santoro]

have fun playing into those juicy 7 lines in NFL, NBA and NHL, and think of me when you lose everything eventually. think of how great matchy is for offering you those 7 cent lines after..

playing into a 3-4 cent line is a world of diff than playing into a 7 cent line. so pinny offers 8 cent lines in bases, i wonder how they're doing? maybe all the players are cleaning them out too. lol..

you know what, i haven't been a bonus whore since 2005.. i haven't taken 1 bonus since, but maybe it's time for me to go back to scalping out bonuses and use matchy for it, because it is not going to be as easy beating those greedy matchy 7 cent lines.. good luck trying to beat them.. i will keep my money in my pocket and just bet a few games with my locals who give me some great prices..

[WileOut]

When it says +100/-101 at matchy, you are playing into a -101/-102.01 line under 1%. That is a 3.01 cent line.

[Nicky Santoro]

When it says +100/-101 at matchy, you are playing into a -101/-102.01 line under 1%. That is a 3.01 cent line.

try 5 cent line, buddy..

[WileOut]

Yea I think you are right, show me the math on that though please. I have gotten $100 in commission credits down to around $23 so I haven't had to worry about commission/line calculations yet.

[Nicky Santoro]

Yea I think you are right, show me the math on that though please. I have gotten $100 in commission credits down to around $23 so I haven't had to worry about commission/line calculations yet.

-101/even =

-101 = 102 to win 99 = -103
even = 101 to win 99 = -102



you see boys, this is exactly what i mean. matchy are scammers.. they make everyone think that they are playing into a 1 to 3 cent line, when in reality, it's approx a 7 cent line on avg..

i hate this book now.. they better lower their commish.. they are trying to fool everyone..

[WileOut]

Thanks for the calculations Nicky, I must admit I am rusty in that category because of the commission credits for so long.

5 cents is something I can deal with. Half of even a 10c line!

[MonkeyF0cker]

Nicky is bitching about an exchange that offers the best vig on the market and no limits. If Matchbook is greedy, then what is everyone else? This guy is seriously retarded.

[durito]

he just doesn't like it when people's bots eat up all his offers after pinny moves the other way

[onthewhat]

i swear i am this close to giving matchy the nicky santoro curse.. if i do this, i assure you matchy won't be around by 2011.. they will be forced to close shop.. i hate these greedy bastards..