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  • keeshen1
    SBR Rookie
    • 11-28-09
    • 17

    #36
    I'm an agent for over 10 years, I never stiff my players. And this is how I make sure my players don't stiff me. We exchange personal contact information. Home and work address, etc. If a player stiff me, I'll make sure to break his legs, no questions asked. But so far no one stiffed me and I never stiffed anyone. All my players are word of mouth from other players.
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    • Ravy Pacer
      SBR Sharp
      • 10-30-09
      • 279

      #37
      Sure keeshen. The tough guy thing is obsolete, and you have not or will not break anybody's legs.
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      • tullamore
        SBR MVP
        • 07-17-07
        • 3586

        #38
        Originally posted by keeshen1
        I'm an agent for over 10 years, I never stiff my players. And this is how I make sure my players don't stiff me. We exchange personal contact information. Home and work address, etc. If a player stiff me, I'll make sure to break his legs, no questions asked. But so far no one stiffed me and I never stiffed anyone. All my players are word of mouth from other players.

        You taking on any new clients.
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        • smitch124
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 05-19-08
          • 12566

          #39
          he joined for that post
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          • poker_dummy101
            Restricted User
            • 11-03-08
            • 6395

            #40
            what kind of name is keeshen?
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            • keyboarding
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 07-30-09
              • 6817

              #41
              Ghost.
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              • whatsgood5
                Restricted User
                • 10-13-09
                • 15359

                #42
                Originally posted by tullamore
                You taking on any new clients.
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                • robmpink
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 01-09-07
                  • 13205

                  #43
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                  • RealSlimShady
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 12-24-07
                    • 6249

                    #44
                    I have a few questions about agents:

                    1) What is a good % for an agent to get if he has a sheet of players and is responsible for all the players? Is 40-50% a good deal with a makeup figure?

                    2) I hear some books offer a % of all action under a sheet. This discourages an agent from leaving after the sheet has a huge makeup. 1% is often mentioned. Is that a good deal for the agent?
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                    • 20Four7
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 04-08-07
                      • 6703

                      #45
                      Originally posted by poker_dummy101
                      what kind of name is keeshen?
                      It's Chinese for Bull Shit....... that's what kind of name it is.
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                      • keeshen1
                        SBR Rookie
                        • 11-28-09
                        • 17

                        #46
                        Originally posted by tullamore
                        You taking on any new clients.
                        Yea. I only take clients that lives in my area, within 1 hour driving distance away from me. And new clients has to deposit first before they wager. I use bankroll system for all my recent new clients. Whatever amount of money they deposit is what they'll have available to wager with in my PPH site that I provide for my clients. Unlike Pinnacle or other books, I allow my customers to withdraw money whenever they want, and of course it's all in cash.
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                        • whatsgood5
                          Restricted User
                          • 10-13-09
                          • 15359

                          #47
                          Originally posted by keeshen1
                          Yea. I only take clients that lives in my area, within 1 hour driving distance away from me. And new clients has to deposit first before they wager. I use bankroll system for all my recent new clients. Whatever they deposit is what they'll have available in my PPH site. Unlike Pinnacle or other books, I allow my customers to withdraw money whenever they want, and of course it's all in cash.
                          Where do you live? You seem like the kinda guy I'd want to do business with
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                          • $tinky
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 04-26-09
                            • 18

                            #48
                            Originally posted by keeshen1
                            I'm an agent for over 10 years, I never stiff my players. And this is how I make sure my players don't stiff me. We exchange personal contact information. Home and work address, etc. If a player stiff me, I'll make sure to break his legs, no questions asked. But so far no one stiffed me and I never stiffed anyone. All my players are word of mouth from other players.
                            You've been an agent for 10 years and you've never been stiffed?

                            I call bullshit.
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                            • keeshen1
                              SBR Rookie
                              • 11-28-09
                              • 17

                              #49
                              Originally posted by $tinky
                              You've been an agent for 10 years and you've never been stiffed?

                              I call bullshit.

                              I'm not asking you to believe me. I don't really care if you do or not. I mind my own business and you need to mind yours. I don't give a rat's ass about what your business is.

                              And if you have any common sense, you need to think about this. If a bookie knows where you live and where you work at, you will not have the guts to stiff him. That's all I have to say.
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                              • Brick
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 08-13-09
                                • 652

                                #50
                                Originally posted by keeshen1
                                I'm not asking you to believe me. I don't really care if you do or not. I mind my own business and you need to mind yours. I don't give a rat's ass about what your business is.

                                And if you have any common sense, you need to think about this. If a bookie knows where you live and where you work at, you will not have the guts to stiff him. That's all I have to say.
                                Bookies dont scare me, and if you had any common sense and i stiffed you, you would think twice about coming to my house. Thats all i have to say.
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                                • keeshen1
                                  SBR Rookie
                                  • 11-28-09
                                  • 17

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by Brick
                                  Bookies dont scare me, and if you had any common sense and i stiffed you, you would think twice about coming to my house. Thats all i have to say.
                                  Hey, you want to endanger your life OR the lives of your loved ones, be my guest!! Obviously you're a big mouth that's never been shot before. Think twice about saying if bookies scare you or not. That's all I have to say and I'm not kidding. I gaurantee you on that one. And I gaurantee that if you stiff a bookie, and he points a gun to your head, you'll pee in your pants. Seriously, what can YOU do when someone points a gun to your head? Yea, WHAT can YOU do besides peeing in your pants? Yea, nothing except cry to mommy and daddy. That's what I thought.

                                  This is why I use bankroll system for new clients. Deposit first, build up your bankroll, and withdraw whenever you want. For my old clients, there's mutual trust in us and we're all happy dealing with each other. So no problems with my old trusted clients.

                                  In this business, it's about trust.
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                                  • Brick
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 08-13-09
                                    • 652

                                    #52
                                    Ok, let me ask you this. How big of a stiff job would it take before you would go to a guys house to break his legs?
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                                    • Brick
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 08-13-09
                                      • 652

                                      #53
                                      Yeah, and what fantasy land do you live in where you go around putting guns to guys heads and getting away with it? This is beyond retarded.
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                                      • keeshen1
                                        SBR Rookie
                                        • 11-28-09
                                        • 17

                                        #54
                                        Never thought of it because I avoid situations like this.

                                        For some of my old customers that plays heavy duty amount of $20,000 a week, I make them deposit 50% first. It's really easy with how i do this. It's just like Sportsbook, Bodog, or whatever. Except I pay cash and customers can withdraw money whenever they want. Unlike Sportsbook or Bodog or other websites, I don't send out paychecks to people's houses, and I don't charge additional fee if customers request to withdraw more than once a month. I like this bankroll system and so does my customers. Never had any complaints so far.
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                                        • Brick
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 08-13-09
                                          • 652

                                          #55
                                          Ok, if your talking 20k then it is more understandable for that stuff to happen. Didnt think you were talking that much money.
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                                          • keeshen1
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 11-28-09
                                            • 17

                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by Brick
                                            Ok, if your talking 20k then it is more understandable for that stuff to happen. Didnt think you were talking that much money.
                                            I do have some small bettor old customers that plays $1000 a week. Those are the ones I don't make them pay a deposit first and be on the bankroll system. The bankroll system is only for my big customers and for new customers.
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                                            • teaserpleaser
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 08-14-08
                                              • 26015

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by keeshen1
                                              Hey, you want to endanger your life OR the lives of your loved ones, be my guest!! Obviously you're a big mouth that's never been shot before. Think twice about saying if bookies scare you or not. That's all I have to say and I'm not kidding. I gaurantee you on that one. And I gaurantee that if you stiff a bookie, and he points a gun to your head, you'll pee in your pants. Seriously, what can YOU do when someone points a gun to your head? Yea, WHAT can YOU do besides peeing in your pants? Yea, nothing except cry to mommy and daddy. That's what I thought.

                                              This is why I use bankroll system for new clients. Deposit first, build up your bankroll, and withdraw whenever you want. For my old clients, there's mutual trust in us and we're all happy dealing with each other. So no problems with my old trusted clients.

                                              In this business, it's about trust.
                                              people dont have guns where you live? That shit wouldnt fly in my neck of the woods.
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                                              • BigDaddy
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 02-01-06
                                                • 8378

                                                #58
                                                book needs to pay
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                                                • keeshen1
                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                  • 11-28-09
                                                  • 17

                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by BigDaddy
                                                  book needs to pay
                                                  No they don't. The agent pays the book for their software. The book don't give a shit what's going on between the players and the agents.

                                                  We agents pays them for each of our players that uses their online accounts. It's that simple.
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                                                  • durito
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 07-03-06
                                                    • 13173

                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by keeshen1
                                                    Unlike Pinnacle or other books, I allow my customers to withdraw money whenever they want, and of course it's all in cash.
                                                    Don't make shit up.

                                                    I got a pinny withdrawal today in a matter of minutes for more than your operation makes in a decade.
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                                                    • CollegePro
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 02-23-09
                                                      • 4006

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by keeshen1
                                                      No they don't. The agent pays the book for their software. The book don't give a shit what's going on between the players and the agents.

                                                      We agents pays them for each of our players that uses their online accounts. It's that simple.
                                                      where are you from?
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                                                      • Brick
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 08-13-09
                                                        • 652

                                                        #62
                                                        oh boy
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                                                        • purecarnagge
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 10-05-07
                                                          • 4843

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by keeshen1
                                                          If a player stiff me, I'll make sure to break his legs, no questions asked.
                                                          I might have a broken leg, but you'll have a closed caskett.
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                                                          • Scooter
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 01-15-07
                                                            • 1159

                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by Justin7
                                                            Should the book pay the player?

                                                            I have a case I'm reviewing now. A book had credit and post-up. The player plays on credit, wins, and wants to get paid. Agent stiffs the player.

                                                            Thoughts?
                                                            Justin7 - What happened with this case? Any resolution?
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                                                            • keeshen1
                                                              SBR Rookie
                                                              • 11-28-09
                                                              • 17

                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by purecarnagge
                                                              I might have a broken leg, but you'll have a closed caskett.
                                                              No, you would. You'll have a broken leg and bullets through your head and body. You won't die with a full body, I gaurantee that.
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                                                              • keeshen1
                                                                SBR Rookie
                                                                • 11-28-09
                                                                • 17

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by durito
                                                                Don't make shit up.

                                                                I got a pinny withdrawal today in a matter of minutes for more than your operation makes in a decade.
                                                                I don't make shit up like you. So you're telling everyone here Bodog, Sportsbook, and other generic websites pays you "in a matter of minutes?" Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! You're a funny one!

                                                                Everyone knows those generic betting websites sends a paycheck to your house when you request it. And when you request more than once a month, they'll charge you an extra fee. I require my customers to pay deposit, they build up their bankroll, and can withdraw whenever they want. The next day, I deliver the cash to them in person. It's as simple as that. No hassle at all.

                                                                Betting through a local bookie that provide their players with a PPH site is the best way to go.
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                                                                • WileOut
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 02-04-07
                                                                  • 3844

                                                                  #67
                                                                  I don't know much about the book-agent-player system, but for other businesses, if the employee acting on behalf of a business steals from a customer, the business owes the money to the customer.

                                                                  I would think maybe the same logic applies here but then again I've never dealt with an agent. Only straight with a bookie.
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                                                                  • $tinky
                                                                    SBR Rookie
                                                                    • 04-26-09
                                                                    • 18

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by keeshen1
                                                                    No, you would. You'll have a broken leg and bullets through your head and body. You won't die with a full body, I gaurantee that.
                                                                    All you're doing is letting everybody know that you're full of shit.
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                                                                    • keeshen1
                                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                                      • 11-28-09
                                                                      • 17

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by $tinky
                                                                      All you're doing is letting everybody know that you're full of shit.

                                                                      Right..... and you think I really care about what some idiotic douche bag couch patatoes like you over the internet thinks? Hahahaha!!!

                                                                      I welcome you to come try me if you don't believe it. Trust me, you won't die with a full body if you dare to try. I gaurantee it.
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                                                                      • gambleballs
                                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                                        • 10-15-07
                                                                        • 466

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Wow. I guess I need to hire you for collections.
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