Did anyone else get their Phil Mickelson wager cancelled from 5Dimes like me?

[DiggityDaggityDo]

Money you still banging dem hoes?

Asking the real questions.

[Wrongside]

Not a single post from anyone with a Tiger ticket refunded by 5dimes

You smell that?

Because there were so few. Hence the overexposure. Hence the shady decision.
If Tiger had won in extras, bets would not have been cancelled and nobody would have batted an eye. Like the ‘tuck rule’ the NFL kept in their back pocket...Screwing the player and keeping them in a servile, sort of battered wife role has always been a part of the 5dimes model. It’s just as much psychology as anything. This is the kind of player they want. One that bets angry and beaten. Nice to see Tony’s legacy lives on.

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Crap like this is why I don't give a fukk when guys like Tony get whacked.

[Optional]

Because there were so few. Hence the overexposure. Hence the shady decision.
If Tiger had won in extras, bets would not have been cancelled and nobody would have batted an eye. Like the ‘tuck rule’ the NFL kept in their back pocket...Screwing the player and keeping them in a servile, sort of battered wife role has always been a part of the 5dimes model. It’s just as much psychology as anything. This is the kind of player they want. One that bets angry and beaten. Nice to see Tony’s legacy lives on.

Geez, settle down.

It's already been confirmed a couple of times that the market was voided before there was any chance of knowing who might win.

[DA_MOSS]

Crap like this is why I don't give a fukk when guys like Tony get whacked.

Damn

[HorseShoeLuck]

Geez, settle down.

It's already been confirmed a couple of times that the market was voided before there was any chance of knowing who might win.

Settle down? LOL easy to say when you don't have money on it and EVERY other site paid out to Phil it's funny i see if you talk about a sportsbook on here the mods jump right in to defend them but they screw everyone over nowhere to be found classic.

[milwaukee mike]

Geez, settle down.

It's already been confirmed a couple of times that the market was voided before there was any chance of knowing who might win.

i'm not so sure about that... seems to me like the timestamp looks suspiciously close to the point they were walking to the green, after phil stuck his tee shot really close

only other time i've seen a grading decision this bad is when bookmaker grades cycling matchups as a win even if one of the 2 guys doesn't start

at least in the interest of good will, they could throw everyone affected something like a freeplay with 20x rollover... how could any sane person think a bet on phil wouldn't win

next time i bet a wgc match play matchup and it loses in extra holes, i'm gonna bump this thread

[ans61201]

I am imagining this happening in Vegas.

Tiger backers tearing up their tickets or tossing them in the trashcan when they could have been refunded.

Philly a winner In Vegas

[ans61201]

A bunch of people upset about a book that was already crappy, is pointless.

Because 90% of you won't take your money elsewhere and they will feel no effect of giving you a fist with no lube.

[NuttyCovers]

Talk with your wallets! I’m just getting into online betting, I’m glad I saw this thread so I know to avoid 5D.

[Optional]

i'm not so sure about that... seems to me like the timestamp looks suspiciously close to the point they were walking to the green, after phil stuck his tee shot really close

only other time i've seen a grading decision this bad is when bookmaker grades cycling matchups as a win even if one of the 2 guys doesn't start

at least in the interest of good will, they could throw everyone affected something like a freeplay with 20x rollover... how could any sane person think a bet on phil wouldn't win

next time i bet a wgc match play matchup and it loses in extra holes, i'm gonna bump this thread

I was responding to the guy all worked about it being a money grab. I doubt you think that?

It's just a grading issue.

And considering this is in their golf rules:

Tournament and final round matchups do not include playoff holes (unless otherwise specified).

It's easy to see why it might have been graded that way in good faith too.


The main argument put forward in this thread is that that rule isn't valid becasue this match wasn't a "tournament or final round matchup" as far as I can tell. Is that how you see it too?

[jts1207]

Optional, I know you have to...but you are looking bad defending this.

[Optional]

Yes head to head rules are different . They classified this as a tournament which it was not and they graded under tournament rules .

Betonline has word for word same rules as 5dimes in terms of this and they paid out immidiatley as a win. This is super shady.

Only answer I get when I call is “managements decision is final”

Disappointing 5dimes

This is completely incorrect.

Betonline rules are not even close to 5Dimes, lat alone being word for word.

In the event that two (or more) golfers are tied for the lead at the end of regulation play, a sudden death or specified hole playoff, will be used to determine the winner of the tournament. In this case, the winner of the playoff is the winner for betting purposes.


Meaning Betonline have correctly graded those bets under their rules.

https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/rules#golf

[milwaukee mike]

This is completely incorrect.

Betonline rules are not even close to 5Dimes, lat alone being word for word.

In the event that two (or more) golfers are tied for the lead at the end of regulation play, a sudden death or specified hole playoff, will be used to determine the winner of the tournament. In this case, the winner of the playoff is the winner for betting purposes.


Meaning Betonline have correctly graded those bets under their rules.

https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/rules#golf

no, you're using 5dimes language for tournament matchups, yet using betonline's wording for tournament winner... here's betonline's rules for tournament matchups, very similar to 5dimes

• [*=left]A playoff for the tournament will not be used to determine the outcome of tournament matchups. If players are tied after the specified number of tournament holes have been completed then the matchup will be deemed a tie.

[HorseShoeLuck]

This is completely incorrect.

Betonline rules are not even close to 5Dimes, lat alone being word for word.

In the event that two (or more) golfers are tied for the lead at the end of regulation play, a sudden death or specified hole playoff, will be used to determine the winner of the tournament. In this case, the winner of the playoff is the winner for betting purposes.


Meaning Betonline have correctly graded those bets under their rules.

https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/rules#golf

Optional will say anything for the books that are paying them lmao sad actually every other book paid out expect for 5dimes period.

[5918mike]

I had Phil mickelson +160 and i also had goes to extra holes at +600 they honored the extra holes bet and voided my Phil bet a little salty over it not going to loie.

This is how I see it play out reading their rules. People complaining obviously didn't check the rules before betting.

[Optional]

Optional, I know you have to...but you are looking bad defending this.

I guess I'll live with that and will be happy to admit to be wrong if someone shows that I am!


I assumed people here had a case at first and was waiting to here what the SBR dispute agent or 5D would say.

But now I have read the complete golf rules of both 5Dimes and Betonline I was left with the question, what exactly is the case to say this grading is wrong?

Help me out here please?


Why does this 5D rule not apply to these bets?

Tournament and final round matchups do not include playoff holes (unless otherwise specified).

I'm willing to learn.

I'd love to see people paid if there is an argument.

Help me see the argument why 5D's rule does not apply here?

[cincinnatikid513]

I guess I'll live with that and will be happy to admit to be wrong if someone shows that I am!


I assumed people here had a case at first and was waiting to here what the SBR dispute agent or 5D would say.

But now I have read the complete golf rules of both 5Dimes and Betonline I was left with the question, what exactly is the case to say this grading is wrong?

Help me out here please?


Why does this 5D rule not apply to these bets?

Tournament and final round matchups do not include playoff holes (unless otherwise specified).

I'm willing to learn.

I'd love to see people paid if there is an argument.

Help me see the argument why 5D's rule does not apply here?

it wasnt a tournament it wasnt a final round it was an exhibition match which they dont have rules listed for, im curious how do they grade the wgc match play matches when they go to extra holes and somebody wins

[Optional]

no, you're using 5dimes language for tournament matchups

I don't see that 5D term under a special sub-heading for that. It seems to be a rule for golf in general no?

But assuming you are correct about that for now, why does 5dimes language for tournament matchups not apply here?

What should the rule words be if is it to cover this situation?

[milwaukee mike]

it wasnt a tournament it wasnt a final round it was an exhibition match which they dont have rules listed for, im curious how do they grade the wgc match play matches when they go to extra holes and somebody wins

that was one of my points, those are graded as a win/loss every single time at every book... just like the phil/tiger bets except for 5dimes which randomly decided to incorrectly grade these bets as "no action".

i'm done arguing, this is totally clear cut and anyone that regularly bets on golf should be horrified by this decision, hopefully they lose a lot of business for this and get bad press all over the internet

[Optional]

it wasnt a tournament it wasnt a final round it was an exhibition match which they dont have rules listed for, im curious how do they grade the wgc match play matches when they go to extra holes and somebody wins

How is that different to a "final round matchup"? Because it's missing the word exhibition?

[ans61201]

it wasnt a tournament it wasnt a final round it was an exhibition match which they dont have rules listed for, im curious how do they grade the wgc match play matches when they go to extra holes and somebody wins

Well if they don't have rules for an exhibition match seems like you could argue you're free rolling them lol can't assume rules not listed mean they should go in your favor.

Two things are important:

Let's hear from a guy who bet tiger

Take your money elsewhere if you think they made that bad of a decision.

[HorseShoeLuck]

that was one of my points, those are graded as a win/loss every single time at every book... just like the phil/tiger bets except for 5dimes which randomly decided to incorrectly grade these bets as "no action".

i'm done arguing, this is totally clear cut and anyone that regularly bets on golf should be horrified by this decision, hopefully they lose a lot of business for this and get bad press all over the internet

Not with JJ and Optional the drity knees bandits.

[TheMoneyShot]

Asking the real questions.

Hey Daggles... good to see you man

I was responding to the guy all worked about it being a money grab. I doubt you think that?

It's just a grading issue.

And considering this is in their golf rules:

Tournament and final round matchups do not include playoff holes (unless otherwise specified).

It's easy to see why it might have been graded that way in good faith too.


The main argument put forward in this thread is that that rule isn't valid becasue this match wasn't a "tournament or final round matchup" as far as I can tell. Is that how you see it too?

Optional... with all due respect.... how do you classify this golf match as a tournament? When 2 pro bowlers are going head-to-head... do we call that a tournament? If we have 2 poker players going head-to-head.... is that a tournament? A tournament is numerous entries... not head-to-head.

Do we consider Woods VS Mickelson a Final Round? Well.... we never had a 1st round or 2nd round etc... so you shouldn't consider the match a Final Round.

It's just a horrible decision. There is no official rule that 5Dimes has that would allow them to cancel these wagers... but they did anyways. They are making their decision "on the fly" and it's a shame.

[sweep]

it wasnt clear when placing a wager that it was only for regulation....Thats the bottom line. They should have had clear language that Tiger -200 and Phil +170 was for REGULATION ONLY.

[milwaukee mike]

How is that different to a "final round matchup"? Because it's missing the word exhibition?

the reason for the final round matchup rule is as follows

tiger -8 after round 3
dj -6 after round 3
spieth -5 after round 3

tiger and spieth get into a playoff, and tiger birdies 3 playoff holes in a row to win... but he had a head-head matchup for rd 4 against dj (who beat him by 1 shot but didn't get into the playoff)

so dj wins the round 4 matchup because those playoff holes don't count

[jjgold]

It was a matchup that is it

2 players in golf is a matchup

It was not a tournament, no definition could ever say it was a tourney

[HorseShoeLuck]

It was a matchup that is it

2 players in golf is a matchup

Don't you got grass to cut kiddo?

[jjgold]

Whatever the rule is for a matchup is the final decision

[BIG]

Still havent heard from a person that had Tiger... Hence the on the fly ruling...

Never knew Tony was out @ 5d where can i find that thread can someone post the link in here.

[cincinnatikid513]

How is that different to a "final round matchup"? Because it's missing the word exhibition?

i consider this match different than final round matchup which to me means last round of a tournament, i chalk this up to a wording mistake and not making things clear if this was a wgc match play final they wouldn't grade it as a push

the key is this part of the rules

(unless otherwise specified).


so for a wgc match play they would likely say player that advances which would then include extra holes,

[sweep]

Still havent heard from a person that had Tiger... Hence the on the fly ruling...

Never knew Tony was out @ 5d where can i find that thread can someone post the link in here.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/3500252-5-dimes-tony-kidnapped.html?highlight=tony+5d

[HorseShoeLuck]

Whatever the rule is for a matchup is the final decision

JJ are you planning out your 300k post at midnight on New Years? YES -150 NO +125

[jjgold]

When two players go head to head in golf the definition is a matchup

Whatever the rule is for a matchup should be the correct grading

Very Very Simple here..Best of luck!!!!

[BIG]

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...hlight=tony+5d

Thx Sweep!