I thought this site was going to be like us (the players) against them (the S-Books)

[Plaza23]

It's been like that forever. If a player wins the book had an "error" in their line. If the player loses the book doesn't refund the money for the erroneous line.

Correct. Off-shores been able to get away with this for years.

With US books getting going, you can bet that US books will honor whatever live lines they put out.

[Plaza23]

Joe, it is actually quite simple. if you see a live line that should be -240 and is +240 you shouldn't bet it. If you see a straight bet in a major sport 40 cents off market you shouldn't bet it.

In the illegal off-shore betting markets where the off-shore books have the power, yes you play by their rules if you want to play. It's their house, they make the rules.

However, this is not how commerce works in the United States of America. If I go to a store in the US, and they give me more change back than I needed, or they forget to scan something in my cart and I leave the store - that's their loss. Not mine. If they have a wrong price advertised, every reputable retailer will honor the price advertised because they want their customers to return and not shop elsewhere.

Trust me, this issue of off-shore books being "my way or the highway"...that shit will be ending within 5 years once US books are offering the exact same online live betting platforms.

[LVHerbie]

ive noticed that the dumbest threads on this site gets the most replies

JoeCool seems like the type of guy who gets excommunicated from his family because he won't stop forcing arguments about politics at Thanksgiving dinner. The rest of us are the ones who struggle to accept that some point you have to excommunicate the true believer who won't stop forcing arguments about politics at Thanksgiving dinner...

[LVHerbie]

In the illegal off-shore betting markets where the off-shore books have the power, yes you play by their rules if you want to play. It's their house, they make the rules.

However, this is not how commerce works in the United States of America. If I go to a store in the US, and they give me more change back than I needed, or they forget to scan something in my cart and I leave the store - that's their loss. Not mine. If they have a wrong price advertised, every reputable retailer will honor the price advertised because they want their customers to return and not shop elsewhere.

Trust me, this issue of off-shore books being "my way or the highway"...that shit will be ending within 5 years once US books are offering the exact same online live betting platforms.

I'm in Vegas 6-8 months out of the year. Well over 90% of my bets are still off-shore... Pick your poison.

[Plaza23]

I'm in Vegas 6-8 months out of the year. Well over 90% of my bets are still off-shore... Pick your poison.

How many Vegas book offer live betting? Do you have to be sitting in the sportsbook to do it? Once William Hill gets their online platform replicating what 5d, Bet365, BetOnline, Bovada do....US shop will be honoring whatever lines they put out because they are giants and want to retain their customers and they can easily eat any loss, especially since most live bets have limits anyway.

[LVHerbie]

How many Vegas book offer live betting? Do you have to be sitting in the sportsbook to do it? Once William Hill gets their online platform replicating what 5d, Bet365, BetOnline, Bovada do....US shop will be honoring whatever lines they put out because they are giants and want to retain their customers and they can easily eat any loss, especially since most live bets have limits anyway.

I'm not sure what the current situation is for live betting in Vegas (as sweating games to makes in game wagers is something I don't really do these days) but I know it was at least attempted (with them issuing tablets and such) a few years back but haven't heard much about it since.

[jtoler]

JoeCool seems like the type of guy who gets excommunicated from his family because he won't stop forcing arguments about politics at Thanksgiving dinner. The rest of us are the ones who struggle to accept that some point you have to excommunicate the true believer who won't stop forcing arguments about politics at Thanksgiving dinner...

Thing is Im not really against parts of his argument the other thing is most of us understand that its really futiile betting into lines we know are wrong anyway because they will be voided 99% of the time. Therefore its a waste of time. When it goes unnoticed for any length of time the losers of that same bet are gonna complain which will bring notice of the bad line to the book.

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Joe,
You posting style causes headaches

[JoeCool20]

Thing is Im not really against parts of his argument the other thing is most of us understand that its really futiile betting into lines we know are wrong anyway because they will be voided 99% of the time. Therefore its a waste of time. When it goes unnoticed for any length of time the losers of that same bet are gonna complain which will bring notice of the bad line to the book.

LOL Hell I'm not against anything anybody posts on here!

I would just NEVER take it upon myself to "guess" at which lines I choose to think that I "know are wrong anyway".

Simply because since I didn't make the lines, I couldn't possibly "know" which one's are wrong. I could only "guess" at which ones I thought were wrong. And for the 500th time I'd never take it upon myself to "guess" if I thought a line was wrong. I'd just bet it!

[JoeCool20]

Joe, it is actually quite simple. if you see a live line that should be -240 and is +240 you shouldn't bet it. If you see a straight bet in a major sport 40 cents off market you shouldn't bet it. Props you can (and should) get more lead way. (Humblegbrag: I ran the $500 I had in deposit at a top tier book up to $5000 betting the account over and over again on a -500 prop that should be -2500 before they pulled it - they paid me off and still take my action to this day. If you can handle compounding math feel free to figure out how many bets that was...)


Still, even with props, at some point there is a limit with what they are going to tolerate. Yes it sucks but that is how it works offshore. If you want to bet bad lines move to Vegas where they forced to honor your bet but conversely are going to phone-in and sweat every bet over $500 and won't take future bets from you if don't "voluntarily" give back the ticket...

You posting style causes headaches so I haven't read everything but I'm assuming you been told several times if you don't follow the above advice you are sitting yourself to get freerolled by the book (which some of the more shady books will do)? If the above is too much for you (not grasping the the points system here kindof indicates that...) and you don't know when a +240 should be -240 bodog is a great home for you. Yes it sucks that you might lose a rare +240 bet when they probably should be eating it as a cost of keeping a square happy but try to toughen up some because there is still lots of free money laying around if you ever get clued in.

LOL aren't you the one who said my posts were "too long"? And then you blather out this long ass piece of drivel?


LOL I stopped reading after the part that said: "If you see a live line that should be -240 and is + 240 then you shouldn't bet it."

Damn man don't reply and make a fool of yourself if you aren't going to read the other posts.

LOL Because for the 50th fukin time, YOU AREN'T THE JUDGE OF WHAT THE LINE "SHOULD" BE! YOU ARE THERE TO BET THEIR LINES, NOT "GUESS" AT WHAT YOU THINK THEIR LINES "SHOULD" BE!!

[LVHerbie]

Thing is Im not really against parts of his argument the other thing is most of us understand that its really futiile betting into lines we know are wrong anyway because they will be voided 99% of the time. Therefore its a waste of time. When it goes unnoticed for any length of time the losers of that same bet are gonna complain which will bring notice of the bad line to the book.

Also futile to argue with someone with can't grasp such basic logic... I'm guessing JoeCool doesn't get the correlation between your post and my reply either.

[JoeCool20]

[QUOTE From: LVHerbie] **"Joe, it is actually quite simple. if you see a live line that should be -240 and is +240 you shouldn't bet it. If you see a straight bet in a major sport 40 cents off market you shouldn't bet it. Props you can (and should) get more lead way. (Humblegbrag: I ran the $500 I had in deposit at a top tier book up to $5000 betting the account over and over again on a -500 prop that should be -2500 before they pulled it -" **



My gosh this guy SERIOUSLY just posted that you shouldn't "bet bad lines" and then he said that he DID bet what he "thought" was a bad line and says: "they paid me off and still take my action to this day."

LOL Which is it? Should I or shouldn't I? You can't have it both ways!

LOL The idiot is trying to be stupid and be "against" me, and the dumbass actually just proved my WHOLE point!!

I WILL BET ANY LINE THAT THEY OFFER, MAYBE THEY WILL CHEAT ME OUT OF IT LATER, MAYBE THEY WILL "pay me off and still take my action to this day." I'M SURE AS HELL NOT GOING TO TRY AND "GUESS" AT WHICH LINES THEY WILL PAY AND WHICH LINES THEY WON'T PAY!! I SENT MY MONEY THERE TO BET! NOT APPOINT MYSELF THE "JUDGE" AND THE "GUESSER" OF WHICH LINES THEY WILL PAY ON!

IF you cant "grasp" that, then go take an "anti-stupid" pill and don't post again until it takes effect on you! Geez!

[The Kraken]

LOL aren't you the one who said my posts were "too long"? And then you blather out this long ass piece of drivel?


LOL I stopped reading after the part that said: "If you see a live line that should be -240 and is + 240 then you shouldn't bet it."

Damn man don't reply and make a fool of yourself if you aren't going to read the other posts.

LOL Because for the 50th fukin time, YOU AREN'T THE JUDGE OF WHAT THE LINE "SHOULD" BE! YOU ARE THERE TO BET THEIR LINES, NOT "GUESS" AT WHAT YOU THINK THEIR LINES "SHOULD" BE!!

Keep up the good fight and let me know how it goes

[LVHerbie]

Keep up the good fight and let me know how it goes

Kraken is JoeCool a Brooks85 ghost?

Both start every sentence with lol, both think winning an argument is when everyone has left the room shaking their head, and both believe if you beat a logic falsehood long enough with a stick a unicorn will finally appear....

[JoeCool20]

LVherbie, How many lines did you take it upon yourself to "guess" which lines were "bad lines" and not bet them when they really weren't "bad lines"? LOL Well I don't give a sheit that you cost yourself money! Keep on doing it! The sportsbooks love you for not betting those lines that you "guessed" wrong on and saved them money!

As for me I'd NEVER take it upon myself to "guess" at which lines I choose to think that I "know" are wrong. Because I could NEVER "know" which ones were going to be paid & which ones weren't!! Your dumb-ass just said they paid you when you did it! You think THAT will make me quit doing it? You just proved my whole point dumb-ass!!

Since I didn't make the lines, I couldn't possibly "know" which one's are "wrong" and weren't going to be paid.
I could only "guess" at which ones I thought were wrong. And I'd NEVER do such an idiotic thing to myself!

But I don't care if you would do that dumb shit! Please go ahead!

SO, for the 500th time I'd never take it upon myself to "guess" if I thought a line was wrong or not.
I'd just bet it!

[JoeCool20]

Keep up the good fight and let me know how it goes

LOL Thanks man! But It's not really a "fight" to me!
I don't give a damn what some idiots say on here about siding with the place that they are trying to beat!! It's freakin hilarious!!

It is very wild to see Some of The PLAYERS siding with the sportsbook and "blaming" the player for placing a bet??
I never thought I'd see such stupidity like that posted, but I don't give a sheit what idiocy some dumbass-stranger posts on here!

It DOES seem wild to me that some people say that they would send their money into a sportsbook and then AVOID betting certain lines! Because THEY decided to take it upon themselves to "judge" and "guess at" and assume that they were "bad lines" when NOBODY said they had to do that!

That's really too dumb to believe!

[jts1207]

God this guy is fn stupid. You contradict yourself in every post. You know the line is wrong and bet it but you aren't going "guess" if it's wrong or not.

[sourtwist]

God this guy is fn stupid. You contradict yourself in every post. You know the line is wrong and bet it but you aren't going "guess" if it's wrong or not.

aside from hurry, we agree on most things

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God this guy is fn stupid.

[jts1207]

aside from hurry, we agree on most things

Cheers to that

[LVHerbie]

God this guy is fn stupid. You contradict yourself in every post. You know the line is wrong and bet it but you aren't going "guess" if it's wrong or not.

JTS it is beyond him why if you see a number 40 cents off on-screen at a square book you should keep scrolling while if you see you a -500 that should be -2500 off-screen at sharp book you should unload the account balance on it till they cut you off.

I really think I'm on to something with the Brooks85/JoeCool bromance... If we could get Joey in the politics subforum (or Brookie had enough left from his union paycheck after the forced DNC donations to hangout where people bet real money instead of betpoints) it would likely be the SBR cage match of the year...

[JoeCool20]

Kraken is JoeCool a Brooks85 ghost?

Both start every sentence with lol, both think winning an argument is when everyone has left the room shaking their head, and both believe if you beat a logic falsehood long enough with a stick a unicorn will finally appear....

LOL Herbie! Win? Win what? What is there to win here? There is no "winning" or "losing" here.

You are saying you look at lines and you avoid betting the one's that you choose to "guess" are bad lines! Well GREAT!
I promise don't give a sheit!

I'm saying I WOULD NEVER guess at which lines I thought were "Bad lines". Because I'm just the player! I'm there to bet ANY line I want that THEY put out and allow bets on!

How the fuk is there any winning or losing on THAT?

[KVB]

...I'm there to bet ANY line I want that THEY put out and allow bets on!..

Read that back to yourself.

Some lines they do not allow bets on, even if they are put out, so if you want to be a player, play by the rules.

[JoeCool20]

God this guy is fn stupid. You contradict yourself in every post. You know the line is wrong and bet it but you aren't going "guess" if it's wrong or not.

LOL How dumb can you possibly be! I have said forty damn times that I've never took it upon myself to "guess" that ANY line is "wrong"! Why would I do that to myself? I'm only there to bet the line that THEY put out! Not "guess" at which ones I think are "wrong"!

[KVB]

You know what, fuk it, this guy is just a troll.

[JoeCool20]

Read that back to yourself.

Some lines they do not allow bets on, even if they are put out, so if you want to be a player, play by the rules.

LOL I have no idea what you are talking about! If they put a line out and we (the players) can't bet it, then what the fuk are you bringing it up for?

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You know what, fuk it, this guy is just a troll.

Is there an ignore/block user feature here?

[KVB]

LOL I have no idea what you are talking about! If they put a line out and we (the players) can't bet it, then what the fuk are you bringing it up for?

Hey dikkhead, your the one bitching about betting a line that was put out that they don't allow bets on.

In fact, maybe they have the right to accuse you, you are clearly up to no good with your idiot responses.

[jts1207]

We get it man ...you're playing the I'm a dumbfukk card. Pat's +14.5 @ Browns what a great line . Couldn't be wrong or anything. Lolol

[JoeCool20]

JTS it is beyond him why if you see a number 40 cents off on-screen at a square book you should keep scrolling while if you see you a -500 that should be -2500 off-screen at sharp book you should unload the account balance on it till they cut you off.

I really think I'm on to something with the Brooks85/JoeCool bromance... If we could get Joey in the politics subforum (or Brookie had enough left from his union paycheck after the forced DNC donations to hangout where people bet real money instead of betpoints) it would likely be the SBR cage match of the year...

LOL I wouldn't "keep scrolling" by ANY line. I'm just there to bet! Not to "guess" at which lines I "think" are bad when I couldn't possibly know for sure! That's stupid!
But The books thank you for doing that! Keep "watching out" for the poor sportsbook and giving the books that ass of yours since you are gay for them!
They need all the help they can get!

[JoeCool20]

Hey dikkhead, your the one bitching about betting a line that was put out that they don't allow bets on.

In fact, maybe they have the right to accuse you, you are clearly up to no good with your idiot responses.

LOL How can you bet a line that they don't allow bets on?! You idiot read the thread! They DID put it out and they DID accept bets you idiot!


And as for the other part, you are so stupid that there is NO WAY that I am saying for the tenth damn time that it wasn't me that did it! It was another poster who bet a line and then got cheated out of it after it won.
I would bet any line offered but I didn't do it this time, and I've stated that 10 times. Please read the stuff so you don't make a fool of yourself on here!

[sourtwist]

This can't be real

[KVB]

This can't be real

You know what, fuk it, this guy is just a troll.

[JoeCool20]

We get it man ...you're playing the I'm a dumbfukk card. Pat's +14.5 @ Browns what a great line . Couldn't be wrong or anything. Lolol

LOL I really think you are CLOSE to getting it jts1207!!!

If I saw that line PATS+14.5 then I WOULD bet it! Why the fuk WOULDN'T I bet it? Because I don't want to "take advantage" of the poor sportsbook? That's fukin insane to me! I WOULD NEVER guess at which lines I thought were "Bad lines". Because I'm just the player! I'm there to bet ANY line I want that THEY put out and allow bets on! Maybe they will pay me, maybe they will cheat me out of it! I'm sure as hell not going to try and "guess" whether they will or not! I'll just bet it!

And the other side of that is that You are saying you WOULDN'T bet it because you look at lines and you avoid betting the one's that you choose to "guess" are bad lines! Well GREAT! I would NEVER choose to try and "help out" the poor sporstbook like you would!

But I promise don't give a sheit that you would!

[sourtwist]

I feel like i want to smash his face in now...i was more patient last night