I thought this site was going to be like us (the players) against them (the S-Books)

[LVHerbie]

Why did this thread suddenly get so quiet?

Did Joey get warned, like his man-crush pal Brookie, that his pollution style of posting is only welcome in political threads?

[KVB]

I think the dead horse was beat one too many times.

[LVHerbie]

I think the dead horse was beat one too many times.

Shame KVB as everyone knows that the person who posts last wins the petting zoo pony they believe is a pinata...

(i.e. KVB don't respond again, thanks pal)

[JoeCool20]

Why did this thread suddenly get so quiet?

Did Joey get warned, like his man-crush pal Brookie, that his pollution style of posting is only welcome in political threads?

LOL "Warned" for saying I would bet any line offered and let the S-book decide if they were going to steal my money later?

I doubt that! It is a "dead" horse now. I'll bet any line they post and some of you will try to "guess" which ones you have decided are

"bad lines" and not bet those.

LOL I don't give a damn that you would try to "help" the "poor sportsbook".... So How much further is there to go?

Except to say that I don't believe you send money to a S-book and then "guess" at which lines to avoid betting on! I don't. So what again.

[JoeCool20]

You don't have to know Joe.

And it doesn't matter if you play dumb, or even if you genuinely don't know.

If it is an obvious error to a reasonably experienced gambler, no book cares how ignorant you claim to have been.

I've been caught out myself innocently betting a bad line. I just bet the good odds without thinking about it, but from my betting history the book could see I should have known, treated me like a shot taker, took away bonuses and perks plus lowered my limits a lot.

You must not have bet bad lines the way you claim you would do, or you would know already how it works out badly for the player so often.



And Joe... the person who inspired this rant of yours explained that they bet a stale line, well past post, after a score change. If you don't understand just how obvious and huge that error and shot is, you should be reading more and posting less until you learn a bit more about the industry.

Plus he doesn't need your help. He fully understands the situation and is happy to just tell them the truth and say he could not resist hitting the bet but understands it was a bad idea now, hasn't done it before, and wont do it again. Which is pretty much the only angle he can use to get paid.

But you've gone off screaming everyone is on the books side and he should lie and play dumb instead.

It's like you just discovered sports gambling today and feel the need to tell the world how you assume it should work but are yet to place a bet!

LOL If we start telling each other what we "Think" the other one does and doesn't understand, then that is same as "guessing" at which lines are "bad" and which ones aren't "bad". The reason I have never bet a "bad line" is because all lines that are available to bet on don't have different names to me! And I sure as hell don't take it upon myself to "guess" at which lines I "think" are "bad lines"! LOL Nobody ever asked me to do that!

And if you don't understand that I didn't send my money to a sportsbook to "guess" at which lines are "bad lines" then read about 90% of my posts on here and then maybe you WILL understand!

And if people on here don't understand that you will "take up" for ANY sportsbook that pays to advertise on here, then they can certainly go look at 90% of your posts!

The only reason that I quit posting is because all this sheit has been said 50 times!

I WILL bet any line I want to bet. Some people wouldn't. And you will make a "defending post" up under any post about a S-book that pays to advertise on here when you really have no clue if they cheated a fellow player or not.

All this is well known, and who cares anymore.

Now goodbye to all of you, I'm going to see if I can find a team that scores a run or two and see if the sportsbook leaves the live line the same.

And I will bet the sheit out of it. If I do, and they cheat me out of the winnings later, then I'll make a post about it, and you can come on here and "defend" the S-book real quick if it is one that advertises on here!!! LOL

Some of you wouldn't do any of that, and the sportsbooks love you for it. I'm not in it to make the S-book love me by avoiding betting lines that I love like some of you are. But who cares? Not me.

Adios

[jts1207]

Adios clown

[JoeCool20]

Hey, All players who are gay for the sportsbooks , and Mr. optional, why don't you try an "Defend" the sportsbook from this post from another poster! This is ALL MY FIRST post to start this thread was ever about! Is the PLAYERS on here "siding" with the sportsbook while the S-book gets to MAKE the rules on cheating the player!

DAMMIT WE ARE THE PLAYERS!!



***CAUTION --- TONY 5 DIMES TRYING to TAKE A SHOT AT PLAYERS RIGHT NOW.***

Well first I want to say, I like SBR and I am not trying to piss on one of their advertisers, but still the turth is the truth.

I am sure almost everyone knows there has been and always seems to be a lot of 5 dimes complaint threads. These pretty much always center on someone hitting a big payday, trying to cash out and then Tony claiming it was a bad line and said player is a shot taker for hitting the bad line.

Recently we have a guy who won big in the casino and Tony claims the game was erronously set at a 114% payout, the customer knew this and used a bot to take advantage of poor Tony. There was also another where a guy hit a long shot big payout and Tony claimed bad line.

So today I logged into my 5 dimes account and checked on some odds for this weekends Memorial Golf tourney. I also checked the same odds at the greek, bet jam, bo dog, Legends, and sportsbook.com

I found that all of 5 dimes lines on long shots could in fact be called "bad lines" ( But only if one of them wins )

Ernie Els is +6000 at the greek and sportsbook.com, but +10000 at 5 dimes.

Brian Davis ranged from +8000 to +10000 at every other book, but he is +23000 at 5 dimes.

Vijay Singh is +5000 at BoDog but +11000 at 5 dimes.

Robert Allenby ranges from +6000 to +7000 at all the other books, but he is +13000 at 5 dimes.

Sean Ohair is +5000 at the greek, +6000 at the others and +13000 at 5 dimes.

Jim Furyk ranges from +1800 to +2000 at the others, but +4200 at 5 dimes.

Angel Cabrera ranges +8000 to +10000 at others, but +21000 at 5 dimes.

These are just a few examples, but in fact every long shot of +3000 or higher at the greek is double sometimes even triple at 5 dimes. Tony has over 80 players posted at +13000 or higher, while not one of the other books I checked has even 1 player at +13000 or higher.

Now I know a lot of people will say , so what that just means Tony is giving better odds. That is true, but I guess my question is, if Tony intentionally gives better odds to draw the action, how can he claim bad line when 1 of these plays actually win ?

99% of these plays are going to lose and Tony is going to have no problem deducting those losses from the players accounts. How then can he cry Cheater when maybe .2 % of these long shots hit ?

I remember reading one of the chat logs from one of the complaint threads. Tony tells the guy the longshot odds were posted incorrectly and the guy knew it and "took a shot" . Tony then tells the guy that the fair odds were 40 to 1 I believe instead of 120 to 1. Tony said the 40 to 1 was the real odds because thats what other books were running it at.

Problem is 5 dimes doesnt run odds on longshots anywhere near what other books run them at. All you have to do is check 5 dimes futures on long shots and compare them to other books. What tony does is he takes a guy like Ernie Els who is 50 or 60 to 1 other places and makes it 100 or 125 to 1 knowing he will get the action. Then pretty much always that play loses anyway. When the rare occasion that the play wins occurs, Tony tries to strongarm the player into accepting less.

Most players, if they put $20 on Brian Davis at 230 to 1 and won $4600, most players would accept Tony's bullshit about the odds should have only been 100 to 1 so youre only getting $2000. We see 25 complaints on this board that means Tony has probably pulled this shit 10,000 times to actually get 25 different people posting it on the board. Most people wont post their problem here for varoius reasons.

But all of 5 dimes long shot odds are like this. Look at the motor racing constructors championship, all the long shots are triple what they should be.

The Drivers championship --- every single long shot is at least double payout at 5 dimes then it is at any other book.

Trust me, If Brian Davis wins or any of these other players who 5 dimes has doubled/tripled the payout odds on, Tony will claim the player is a shot taker who hit a bad line.

Thats BS. Tony is the shot taker. The way I see it, if you intentionally post double and triple payout odds on long shots as a way of creating a competitive advantage for yourself, you shouldnt be able to claim, shot taker, bad line when one of them hits. I mean Tony certainly isnt giving the losses back on the 99+ % that lose"**





So this guy Tony at 5 dimes is PURPOSELY making sheitty lines and taking money on the losers and then stealing the money from the winners and telling people who bet them that they
"should have known" not to bet them Because they were "bad lines"! When he KNEW EXACTLY what and why he was doing it!!

5 dimes may need to send in a little extra money if any of you try to "defend" this blatant sheit!! LOL

[JoeCool20]

I'll forward all your answers to the guy that posted it. You all know my opinion. I'm just a PLAYER who doesn't want to get cheated.

[wakefield23]

Don´t even bother, OP

Half of people here work for the bookies, so of course they will defend their shabby practices

The other half ,simply, are idiots

God bless them

[JoeCool20]

Don´t even bother, OP

Half of people here work for the bookies, so of course they will defend their shabby practices

The other half ,simply, are idiots

God bless them

LOL I would have never believed it! Even if it was just a few idiots "siding" with the book!

But I do now!!

[jts1207]

Solid 200 posts between you clowns.

Sports betting 101.

Get lost

[JoeCool20]

Solid 200 posts between you clowns.

Sports betting 101

Get lost

LOL Yeah man "sports betting 101" is to NOT bet a line if you think it is too good because you are trying to help out the poor sportsbook every chance you get even though you are the PLAYER!! ARE YOU FUKIN JOKING?



LOL I think that is either "You are gay for the S-book 101"

Or you are a PLAYER playing AGAINST the sportsbooks who is an idiot who does things in favor of the sportsbook when

they NEVER asked you to do it!! LOL "Unbelievable dumb-ass 101"

[HurryUpAndDrink]

wow good drama... JoeCool, an advise... nobody wins an argument against 5D/SBR... you either bow down or prepare to get banned/post review

if you think this place is to talk freely, think again

[JoeCool20]

**"And Joe... the person who inspired this rant of yours explained that they bet a stale line, well past post, after a score change. If you don't understand just how obvious and huge that error and shot is, you should be reading more and posting less until you learn a bit more about the industry.

Plus he doesn't need your help. He fully understands the situation and is happy to just tell them the truth and say he could not resist hitting the bet but understands it was a bad idea now, hasn't done it before, and wont do it again. Which is pretty much the only angle he can use to get paid."**





LOL He doesn't need you help telling him to "admit" something was a "bad idea" that he COULDN'T have known for sure!!

He didn't bet a "stale line" or "take a shot"!! Until THEY came back and told him he did!! He can't "predict" the sportsbooks future line cancellations! LOL NOR did anyone ask him to!!

He bet a line that THEY had put out & allowed wagers on! For the 50th time HE IS THE PLAYER! HE IS NOT THERE TO "GUESS" AT WHICH LINES HE THINKS ARE "STALE" AND WHICH ONES AREN'T!!

And the most honest thing he can do is NOT tell them that he "knew" any line was "bad" and should not be bet!!

The honest thing for him to say is: "When 2 runs were scored and the line didn't change, I THOUGHT the line would change, but I'm not the lines maker YOU are, so when the line didn't change, OF COURSE I bet it!! PLEASE don't try to blame it on me! I'm there to bet on lines that YOU put out! I'm NOT not there to "guess" at which lines you don't want action on! That is NOT my responsibility as a PLAYER!"

[ttwarrior1]

betisland said hi

[Eddy Munny]

In what thread was that copy (from post #182) originally posted? I remember reading it.

[JoeCool20]

wow good drama... JoeCool, an advise... nobody wins an argument against 5D/SBR... you either bow down or prepare to get banned/post review

if you think this place is to talk freely, think again

Thanks man. I didn't read anywhere that they would ban me for siding with the Player! (LOL I'd hope not!)

To me, It's not an "argument" that can be won or lost, any Player has the right to "avoid" betting a line that he decides that he likes too much, in order to "help" the sportsbook! LOL (I have NO IDEA WHY any player would do that!!)

But for a few players to side with the S-book, and call a fellow player a "cheat" or a "shot taker" because he DID bet a line that he liked very much, is incredibly obtuse to me. (And to be honest, I don't even believe them and I'm not sure that they aren't just fuk-king with me!!)

[JoeCool20]

In what thread was that copy (from post #182) originally posted? I remember reading it.

Munny, I copied & pasted it from the "nominated posts" thread.


One thing is for sure, this "Tony at 5 dimes" guy is out for blood and ANY player who sends that place any money is a freakin moron!


If I EVER bet & won there, I'd just be waiting for Tony to steal my money and tell me "I should have known better" than to bet whatever I had bet on! LOL

[Eddy Munny]

You should go undercover at 5Dimes and hammer all the "bad" lines that are obviously hook & bait for the alleged scheme, and report back to us on your findings. It could be like a 20/20 or a Dateline episode, with you in the Chris Hansen role.

You're the man for the job. I questioned motive of this thread in the early going, but six pages in and you're still chopping wood. The tenacity and conviction can no longer be doubted.

The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Do not be deterred. Move forth, Joe Cool. Burn the fukker down!!!

I am sending you two betpoints to use as you see fit on your quest to topple the establishment.

[HurryUpAndDrink]

I wonder if these things will keep happening once legalization settles

[JoeCool20]

You should go undercover at 5Dimes and hammer all the "bad" lines that are obviously hook & bait for the alleged scheme, and report back to us on your findings. It could be like a 20/20 or a Dateline episode, with you in the Chris Hansen role.

You're the man for the job. I questioned motive of this thread in the early going, but six pages in and you're still chopping wood. The tenacity and conviction can no longer be doubted.

The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Do not be deterred. Move forth, Joe Cool. Burn the fukker down!!!

I am sending you two betpoints to use as you see fit on your quest to topple the establishment.

WOW Munny was nice to me!!

LOL I'm outta here for a while. Going undercover to catch "Tony at 5 Dimes" trying to shank Players on the

"Even though WE put it out & allowed bets on it, you 'should have known' it was a bad line & not bet it." Scam!!

[Eddy Munny]

Yes, I know you're Blowjoe2020... but I'm rooting for the underdog in this instance.

Tony's sleazeball tactics shall not stand!!!

[JoeCool20]

Yes, I know you're Blowjoe2020... but I'm rooting for the underdog in this instance.

Tony's sleazeball tactics shall not stand!!!

"Blowjoe2020" ?? LOL I don't get it. Who is that? Are you Eddy Blow-me2020?

Let's stick with outing Tony!

[Eddy Munny]

"Blowjoe2020" ?? LOL I don't get it. Who is that? Are you Eddy Blow-me2020?

Let's stick with outing Tony!

We can stick with that, but you're definitely the artist formerly known as Blowjoe2020.

Odds on it are like -5500

[JoeCool20]

We can stick with that, but you're definitely the artist formerly known as Blowjoe2020.

Odds on it are like -5500

LOL Hey buddy, "guessing" at peoples' names is just like "guessing" at whether a line is a "bad line" or not isn't it?

I have no idea what to say. Other than Maybe you are that guy blowjoe2020? I bet you can't even have more than one name on here.

I also will take your bet and I'll take +5500 that you "guessed" wrong.

But when you lose you will just say you aren't paying because it was a "bad line" and I shouldn't have bet it! LOL

Then a few people will side with you and they will say I "took a shot" and I "should have known" it was a bad line.


LOL

[JoeCool20]

JTS it is beyond him why if you see a number 40 cents off on-screen at a square book you should keep scrolling while if you see you a -500 that should be -2500 off-screen at sharp book you should unload the account balance on it till they cut you off.

I really think I'm on to something with the Brooks85/JoeCool bromance... If we could get Joey in the politics subforum (or Brookie had enough left from his union paycheck after the forced DNC donations to hangout where people bet real money instead of betpoints) it would likely be the SBR cage match of the year...

LOL So you try to "Guess" that I am Brooks85 and blowmelow2020? Who else would y'all like to "guess" that I am?

[jts1207]

Nobody is guessing shit you ignorant fukkk. There are multiple sites you can go to that post lines from all Vegas books and many offshore. If everyone has Cubs -180 and you jump on one that says +180 you are not guessing. In this situation you believe the Cubs are a +180 bet you should find a new hobby because you don't know what the fukk you are doing.

[JoeCool20]

Nobody is guessing shit you ignorant fukkk. There are multiple sites you can go to that post lines from all Vegas books and many offshore. If everyone has Cubs -180 and you jump on one that says +180 you are not guessing. In this situation you believe the Cubs are a +180 bet you should find a new hobby because you don't know what the fukk you are doing.

LOL Back to not getting it again huh dum-fuk? I WOULD bet the +180 because I am not there to "guess" why a certain line is better than other places!




If you WOULDN'T bet +180 instead of -180, then you not only need to find a new hobby, but you should never bet again because you are an idiot!

[JoeCool20]

MAYBE what you will realize one day is that I don't give a fuk if you "guess" at lines and avoid betting the one's that you think are "bad lines." More power to you buddy! The sportsbooks LOVE you for it!

All I'm saying is that I'd NEVER do that. If for no other reasons than #1 Nobody asked me to do that, and #2 I'ts not my responsibility as the PLAYER to "guess" at which lines are "bad lines" and they may come back and steal my money on. I'd hope they'd never do that, when THEY are the one's that put the line out & allowed wagering on it!

Now can you post that you understand that simplicity? No you can't!!

So either shut up, or keep on. LOL I don't care!

[KVB]

...I am not there to "guess" why a certain line is better than other places!...

One day you will realize that you would be a better sports bettor if you did.

If you don't care to understand why a line opens where it does or sits where it sits, then it shows you really have no interest in understanding sports betting and shows why you don't understand what you are saying about the market.

It's YOUR lack of understanding and unwillingness to do so that has kept this thread going and becomes the source of your frustration.

It's probably best that a player with your attitude just not participate in these markets. It will save you money, time and headache.

[JoeCool20]

One day you will realize that you would be a better sports bettor if you did.

If you don't care to understand why a line opens where it does or sits where it sits, then it shows you really have no interest in understanding sports betting and shows why you don't understand what you are saying about the market.

It's YOUR lack of understanding and unwillingness to do so that has kept this thread going and becomes the source of your frustration.

It's probably best that a player with your attitude just not participate in these markets. It will save you money, time and headache.

LOL "frustration"?? Buddy, I don't get "frustrated" at other peoples' opinions!! I've already posted on here that I don't really believe some of you anyway with your "taking up for the poor sportsbook" garbage!!

And it looks like You will never understand that I don't give a sheit if you are gay for the sportsbook and you will "guess" at lines and avoid betting the lines that you choose to "think" are "bad lines"!!! Some guy on here (go view the thread!) just got paid on a line that was almost 10 times better than other places had it!! Because he bet it, and then they cancelled it, and he said "why did you offer it in the first place if you were going to cancel it later?" So they paid him! Well guess what you idiot moron?! YOU would have AVOIDED betting it because you are gay for the S-book!

LOL When will you understand that Some of us didn't send our money in to these places to "guess at" and avoid betting certain lines to make sure the poor wittle sportsbook didn't get their feewings hurt!!




As for you trying to "advise" me. I will advise you that I KNOW that you have no idea about sports gambling if you look at lines and try to avoid betting the one's you "guess" are too good, because you are scared you might upset the "high and mighty" sportsbook!! LOL (You GOTTA be joking!)

And I KNOW you should not participate in "these markets", or gambling AT ALL, if you are going to see a line that you like and then NOT bet it because you choose to "guess" that it might be a "Bad line"!!! WHEN NOBODY EVER ASKED YOU TO DO THAT!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? NOBODY! NOT EVEN THE SPORTSBOOK! EVER ASKED YOU TO "GUESS" AT THE VALIDITY OF ANY LINE THAT THEY OFFERED UP FOR WAGERING ON, AND THEN AVOID BETTING IT IF YOU THOUGHT IT WAS "TOO GOOD"!!

BUT YOU ARE CHOOSING TO DO IT ANYWAY!!


So, if you are serious with that, and not just joking around, then you are dumb as freakin hell, and you NEVER need to bet again.

[jts1207]

Seriously bro......it's like you've went to a cooking forum and asked how to fry your egg in a boiling pot of water. You buried yourself.


Acknowledge and move on.

[BrickJames]

Never fukkin heard of ya pal.

[JoeCool20]

[BrickJames]

I can end the sheit right now, but I bet 14 grand that you WON'T end it!! I have said MULTIPLE times that I don't care if some of you WOULDN'T bet certain lines that you chose to "guess" were "Bad lines", even though nobody ever asked you to do that.
I even posted "More power to you buddy! The sportsbooks LOVE you for it! "

But you just CAN'T seem to tell me that you don't care and more power to me if I WILL bet any line that is offered up for wagering on!

So I will do it for you, but you WON'T allow it to end it! (And I've got 14 grand that says you won't allow it to end it!!)


Some of You to me: "Hey JoeCool, I wouldn't bet a line that I thought was a "bad line" because sometimes the sportsbooks will turn around and blame it on you and tell you that you should have known not to bet that line."

ME in response to some of you: "That's fine, it's not an argument, and I don't care that you wouldn't, but as for me, I'm the PLAYER, not the "bad lines-guesser", nobody asked me to "guess" at which lines to avoid betting on. So I will bet ANY line that is available to be wagered on. If they come back and cheat me out of it later, then I will ask them why they put it out and let me wager on it in the first place."


Now is that fukin good enough for you or not? I bet No it isn't!! LOL So let that NOT end it like I said it wouldn't!

Never fukkin heard of ya pal