NRA Too Powerful

[jjgold]

Men we all know those AR15's not getting banned

A top shelf weapon beloved by Americans

Ask any gun owner

[bigbubbafade]

NRA memberships going up since hoggy running around dropping f-bombs all over the place and screaming at everyone he's gonna take their guns.

Nice game plan libs...

[SportsMushroom]

people saying obama did nothing and its not trump fault wtf?

i guess that is what happens when you only get your news from fox and breitbart, you stay ignorant


Trump Undid Obama Rule That Added Mentally Ill People to Gun Check Register



http://fortune.com/2018/02/15/trump-shooting-mental-illness/



#votethemout

[hostile takeover]

That's a twisted Op-Ed that doesn't tell the whole truth.

That's what happens when you only get your news from socialist rags.

[mrpapageorgio]

That's a twisted Op-Ed that doesn't tell the whole truth.

That's what happens when you only get your news from socialist rags.

What he also fails to tell you is that it's a rule that even the left leaning ACLU thought was unconstitutional.

[KASHMAN24]

You weaklings disgust me. Read some. Read about 2nd amendment and true intentions of our forefathers. Read the federalist papers. These men were so brilliant that they wrote the 2nd amendment to stand the test of time. This is the USA and we have the constitution. Shall not be infringed. It means what it means. Not what you want it to mean. Not what you wish. If you wish to change the constitution, there is a process. Good luck.

P.S. I am a Historian with degrees in History, specializing in Early American History.

[SportsMushroom]

That's a twisted Op-Ed that doesn't tell the whole truth.

That's what happens when you only get your news from socialist rags.

What he also fails to tell you is that it's a rule that even the left leaning ACLU thought was unconstitutional.

spin it all you want

still doesnt change the facts

claiming obama did nothing, and its not trumps fault are both obvious lies or words of the ignorant

[mrpapageorgio]

spin it all you want

still doesnt change the facts

claiming obama did nothing, and its not trumps fault are both obvious lies or words of the ignorant

Doing something that's going to be struck down as unconstitutional is the same as doing nothing. He couldn't even do the work to make sure what he was doing would withstand judicial scrutiny.
So you support the president doing something that's unconstitutional?

[The Kraken]

You weaklings disgust me. Read some. Read about 2nd amendment and true intentions of our forefathers. Read the federalist papers. These men were so brilliant that they wrote the 2nd amendment to stand the test of time. This is the USA and we have the constitution. Shall not be infringed. It means what it means. Not what you want it to mean. Not what you wish. If you wish to change the constitution, there is a process. Good luck.

P.S. I am a Historian with degrees in History, specializing in Early American History.

It means what it means

And what exactly does it mean? Let me guess, it just so happens to mean what you want it to mean.

The second amendment is open to interpretation, sorry if that makes you have feelings.

PS nobody gives a fukk that you teach high school history

[guitarjosh]

It means what it means

And what exactly does it mean? Let me guess, it just so happens to mean what you want it to mean.

The second amendment is open to interpretation, sorry if that makes you have feelings.

PS nobody gives a fukk that you teach high school history

That belief is the reason we need a 2nd Amendment. If that is open to interpretation, then all amendments are as well, meaning the government can refuse to let you vote, can torture you, hold you indefinitely, kick in your door and take whatever they want, force you into slavery, etc.

[19th Hole]

Are we going to ban the sale of 3D printers and CNC cutting machines?
Mr Average Joe Blow to California gangs are making their own AK47s.
People Are Making Completely Untraceable Guns in Their Homes—Driving a New Kind of Crime

-----DIY firearms are set to completely remake the black market for small arms.-----

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/12/people-are-making-completely-untraceable-guns-in-their-homes-driving-a-new-kind-of-crime/

An ATF agent poses with homemade rifles, or "ghost guns," at an ATF field office in Glendale, California in August 2017.Jae C. Hong/AP

A few years ago, just before I first fired an AK-47 that I had built, I worried that it would somehow explode, or jam, or do anything other than what it was supposed to do: shoot a few rounds of 7.62 x 39mm ammunition, hopefully in a straight line...

.

[The Kraken]

That belief is the reason we need a 2nd Amendment. If that is open to interpretation, then all amendments are as well, meaning the government can refuse to let you vote, can torture you, hold you indefinitely, kick in your door and take whatever they want, force you into slavery, etc.

Maybe you believe in a fixed constitution where I view it as a living constitution. Many cases have gone to the SCOTUS for their interpretation of the 2a so of course it’s up for interpretation. The right to bear arms doesn’t mean you get a tank or a missile, so their is interpretation. Even Scalia said in DC you can’t ban handguns because they’re the most popular gun for self defense. He specified handguns, not semi auto rifles.

Anyways, these decisions are made in a land far away where they couldn’t give one Fukk what you or I think

[GunShard]

President Trump and the NRA did support the bump stock ban after the Vegas shooting.
It could be a good idea to increase the age of 18 to 21 years old to purchase rifles like the AR-15. This can give a person more time to mature before purchasing a firearm.

[guitarjosh]

Maybe you believe in a fixed constitution where I view it as a living constitution. Many cases have gone to the SCOTUS for their interpretation of the 2a so of course it’s up for interpretation. The right to bear arms doesn’t mean you get a tank or a missile, so their is interpretation. Even Scalia said in DC you can’t ban handguns because they’re the most popular gun for self defense. He specified handguns, not semi auto rifles.

Anyways, these decisions are made in a land far away where they couldn’t give one Fukk what you or I think

You're right, I don't want my rights to be up for interpretation. I'm surprised liberals are for it, since that can be one of the main reasons for inequality.

Can you send me a PM? I'd love to enter into a legal agreement with you where the stipulations are living and breathing, being open for me to reinterpret from time to time.

[The Kraken]

So we have the right to bear arms, I assume you support every citizens right to tanks or grenade launchers?

Thankfully the scotus agrees with me, Scalia included

There has to be interpretation

[Mac4Lyfe]

Ban all future guns. Arrest gun manufacturers for producing weapons of mass destruction. Guns are killing US citizens by the hundreds every day across the US. Have you watched the local news? Blood is on the gun manufacturers. If you can make your own gun or if you already own a gun, good for you, you get a pass. But we don't want anyone else to get one, especially 95% of society that are absolute dumb asses. Protect the people from themselves. Ban them all.

The world would be much better place without guns. No one can convince me otherwise. There is not one situation where guns is a better solution. Kids playing in a park? Employees sitting in a board room? You driving your car on the interstate? A gun only escalates ANY situation. The protection argument is bullshit.

Sure, you have the right to bare arms. You just have to figure out how to make a gun and bullets on your own.

[guitarjosh]

So we have the right to bear arms, I assume you support every citizens right to tanks or grenade launchers?

Thankfully the scotus agrees with me, Scalia included

There has to be interpretation

Sure, tanks cost millions, so hardly anyone will be able to afford them.

The Founders agreed with me. If you don't think that's true, which restrictions did the Founders have on ownership? How would they be able to issue letters of marquee and reprisal to have privateering if people were only allowed to own a musket? A musket vs a British warship? That's what they had in mind?

[hostile takeover]

Ban all future guns. Arrest gun manufacturers for producing weapons of mass destruction. Guns are killing US citizens by the hundreds every day across the US. Have you watched the local news? Blood is on the gun manufacturers. If you can make your own gun or if you already own a gun, good for you, you get a pass. But we don't want anyone else to get one, especially 95% of society that are absolute dumb asses. Protect the people from themselves. Ban them all.

The world would be much better place without guns. No one can convince me otherwise. There is not one situation where guns is a better solution. Kids playing in a park? Employees sitting in a board room? You driving your car on the interstate? A gun only escalates ANY situation. The protection argument is bullshit.

Sure, you have the right to bare arms. You just have to figure out how to make a gun and bullets on your own.

Planned Parenthood kills more lives every day than do guns.

Planned Parenthood gets more federal money (taxpayer dollars) than the NRA.

Planned Parenthood donates more to political parties than does the NRA.

Thank you, now fuk off

[bigtymer56]

Another tale to add to the Florida Man archive. Can't make this shit up:

"A Parkland teacher volunteered to arm himself — then left a loaded gun in a public bathroom"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/04/12/a-parkland-teacher-volunteered-to-arm-himself-then-left-a-loaded-gun-in-a-public-bathroom/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.037c11ff41bd


Also.....saloon

[fried cheese]

So we have the right to bear arms, I assume you support every citizens right to tanks or grenade launchers?

Thankfully the scotus agrees with me, Scalia included

There has to be interpretation

you only think there has to be interpretation because you disagree with the amendment. how is a militia supposed to fight competitively against tanks and aircraft with only hand guns?

when you let ppl interpret these amendments like this then the amendments become meaningless. there are even laws that make owning knives illegal. what arms are we guaranteed when even knives can be banned?

[Mac4Lyfe]

you only think there has to be interpretation because you disagree with the amendment. how is a militia supposed to fight competitively against tanks and aircraft with only hand guns?
when you let ppl interpret these amendments like this then the amendments become meaningless. there are even laws that make owning knives illegal. what arms are we guaranteed when even knives can be banned?

We have a fukkking military. We don't need untrained citizens banding together creating their own militia's. This isn't the old west nor the 1700's.

The people determine the laws. If we don't like part of the constitution... We amend it. That's what our forefathers wanted. Not dumb sheep that use the laws to hurt it's own people.

Another tale to add to the Florida Man archive. Can't make this shit up:
"A Parkland teacher volunteered to arm himself — then left a loaded gun in a public bathroom"

We need LESS guns... Not more. We have TOO MANY dumb asses in this country. Why in the hell do we want the masses to be armed? The people that want to arm EVERYONE is the most stupidest shit I've ever heard. Most people can't even balance their checkbooks but we want them to handle weapons?? Ban guns, knives, machete's whatever. The average US citizen has to be protected against themselves.

Planned Parenthood kills more lives every day than do guns.
Planned Parenthood gets more federal money (taxpayer dollars) than the NRA.
Planned Parenthood donates more to political parties than does the NRA.
Thank you, now fuk off

GTFO here with your abortion rant. A woman's body is her own. She can do with it as she chooses. You're trying to make an argument for an unborn fetus over teenagers shot dead in school is absolute bullshit. We need more aborted fetuses. We need to start with you first... Or at least make sure you're neutered. One less dumb ass in this country.

[guitarjosh]

We have a fukkking military. We don't need untrained citizens banding together creating their own militia's. This isn't the old west nor the 1700's.

The people determine the laws. If we don't like part of the constitution... We amend it. That's what our forefathers wanted. Not dumb sheep that use the laws to hurt it's own people.

We need LESS guns... Not more. We have TOO MANY dumb asses in this country. Why in the hell do we want the masses to be armed? The people that want to arm EVERYONE is the most stupidest shit I've ever heard. Most people can't even balance their checkbooks but we want them to handle weapons?? Ban guns, knives, machete's whatever. The average US citizen has to be protected against themselves.

GTFO here with your abortion rant. A woman's body is her own. She can do with it as she chooses. You're trying to make an argument for an unborn fetus over teenagers shot dead in school is absolute bullshit. We need more aborted fetuses. We need to start with you first... Or at least make sure you're neutered. One less dumb ass in this country.

The last paragraph is a perfect example of why the 1st paragraph is 180 degrees wrong and why the 2nd Amendment is still needed today.

[The Kraken]

you only think there has to be interpretation because you disagree with the amendment. how is a militia supposed to fight competitively against tanks and aircraft with only hand guns?

when you let ppl interpret these amendments like this then the amendments become meaningless. there are even laws that make owning knives illegal. what arms are we guaranteed when even knives can be banned?

You're ignoring that your individual rights don't trump the idea of common good to be safe from your tanks and missiles

It's unreasonable to say any joe blow should have military grade weapons so we can protect ourselves from tyranny, how far do you go with that? Aircraft carriers, fighter jets, nukes?

It would take one but job to kill thousands or more.

There has to be interpretation for the safety of the rest of society forced to live with you.

I can't believe you actually believe a citizen should have access to anything more than a fully auto rifle at most

[guitarjosh]

You're ignoring that your individual rights don't trump the idea of common good to be safe from your tanks and missiles

It's unreasonable to say any joe blow should have military grade weapons so we can protect ourselves from tyranny, how far do you go with that? Aircraft carriers, fighter jets, nukes?

It would take one but job to kill thousands or more.

There has to be interpretation for the safety of the rest of society forced to live with you.

I can't believe you actually believe a citizen should have access to anything more than a fully auto rifle at most

You're ignoring the idea that individual rights don't necessarily infringe on the idea of the common good.

Do you have any idea how much money an aircraft carrie, fighter jets, and nukes cost? How do you think an average person will be able to afford that?

Again, will you send me a PM so we can enter into a contract with living and breathing stipulations so I can reinterpret it from time to time?

[The Kraken]

None of us have the absolute right to own any weapon, just like none of us have right the absolute right to freedom of speech in any manner at any time, there are limitations of both for the common good

That's what being part of a community is all about

[The Kraken]

You're ignoring the idea that individual rights don't necessarily infringe on the idea of the common good.

Do you have any idea how much money an aircraft carrie, fighter jets, and nukes cost? How do you think an average person will be able to afford that?

Again, will you send me a PM so we can enter into a contract with living and breathing stipulations so I can reinterpret it from time to time?

There are plenty of people that could afford such weapons, more than a few billionaires running around.

Unfortunately part of living within a society is compromising your individual rights

[guitarjosh]

None of us have the absolute right to own any weapon, just like none of us have right the absolute right to freedom of speech in any manner at any time, there are limitations of both for the common good

That's what being part of a community is all about

Actually, we do. The only speech that isn't allowed is speech that will cause a crime to be committed. Me owning a weapon won't cause a crime to be committed.

There are plenty of people that could afford such weapons, more than a few billionaires running around.

Unfortunately part of living within a society is compromising your individual rights

Unless one of those billionaires are going to give up all their money to buy an aircraft carrier, which needs a crew of hundreds of people, we can legalize them and no one will buy one.

You don't have to compromise any of your individual rights to be part of a society, you just want to strip people of those rights you don't like.

You believe in laws being living and breathing, that they should be open for interpretation, and you have to give up individual rights. Your whole endgame is why we have a 2nd Amendment. The only reason you want people to give up their individual rights is so you can force them to be worse off.

Again, will you please send me a PM? I'd really like to enter into that legal contract with you where all the stipulations are living and breathing so I can reinterpret them from time to time.

[fried cheese]

You're ignoring that your individual rights don't trump the idea of common good to be safe from your tanks and missiles

It's unreasonable to say any joe blow should have military grade weapons so we can protect ourselves from tyranny, how far do you go with that? Aircraft carriers, fighter jets, nukes?

It would take one but job to kill thousands or more.

There has to be interpretation for the safety of the rest of society forced to live with you.

I can't believe you actually believe a citizen should have access to anything more than a fully auto rifle at most

its not what i think is right, its what the amendment is. i dont think ppl should be allowed to have fighter jets but its not like i can protect my freedoms from our government or an invading force without those type of weapons. the way the amendment is already interpreted makes it useless for its intended purpose so im fine with abolishing it. but i dont want ppl to tell me that it can be interpreted as just being for self defense vs criminals. did ppl have militias at their houses for home invasions back then?

i dont care one way or another about the 2nd amendment but i care about ppl interpreting laws so that the ppl in power get away with everything and can arrest anyone they dislike for anything. our laws are already ridiculous with things like gambling, prostitution, and drugs being illegal. now we have to start censoring facebook because of fake news now? who determines what fake new is?

[The Kraken]

Guys it's a mute point, the SCOTUS interprets the intentions of amendments all the time. We live in different times regardless of how any of us feel about it

[Kermit]

There are way more Democrats that own guns than there are NRA members.

The one group that doesn't want their guns taken away are Democrats.

[Ratzz]

People want to blame Trump...where was all the outrage when Obama was president?? That dude didn’t do a fukking thing about guns and there plenty of shootings when he was in office..well except hand some over the Mexican Cartel

Obama did what he could.. he only failed to jump all over it in his first year.. when he did Republicans blocked him the whole way. He basically pleaded with Congress pass gun control against Assault Weapons.. but he did not give the GOP money.. and let;s face it. That all Republicans want. Money.

[hostile takeover]

There are way more Democrats that own guns than there are NRA members.

The one group that doesn't want their guns taken away are Democrats.

Ding ding ding.

Remember just a few short years ago when the dems held the white house and Congress for the first 2 years of obama's tenure...