Newt Gingrich thinks Obama has failed already

[Dbldown11]

And by the way. All politicians are going to be at least somewhat corrupt, or owe people favors as long as there is a need for them to generate millions and millions of dollars for their campaigns.

They rarely ever work, they are in a never ending campaign mode, and they don't try to solve actual problems because they don't want to make decisions that actually affect anything, instead they focus on "wedge" issues (abortion, gay marriage, gun rights) that in reality don't really matter when you look at all the important issues they should be working on (international terrorism, health care, Social Security reform).

It's our own damn fault for letting them get away with it, because we base our votes on stupid wedge issues and don't hold them accountable for accomplishing nothing. NOTHING EVEN GETS ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE WEDGE ISSUES!!!!! how freaking long has abortion been an issue in this country? You think with how many elections have been won or lost on that freaking issue at least we would have come up with a consensus or a middle ground by now!

The system is and always will be corrupt as long as politicians are allowed to raise as much money and spend as much money as they can to win elections! WE NEED PUBLICLY FUNDED FEDERAL ELECTIONS!!!

[TheIntegrityKid]

The way I see it is that the world is in a state of transition. And Obama is a broad thinker trying to achieve multiple agendas with simple, yet complex ideas. There's a way to Change everything and still make sure those in power get theirs. I think Obama is trying to make everyone happy but nobody completely happy. Not sure if that makes sense or not, but the guy seems very sincere in his efforts to have a positive, lasting impact on not only this nation, but the world in which it's in.

Maybe I'm an idealist too but I believe in big and bold ideas to fundamentally shape change for the better.

Here's hoping...

[MartinBlank]

Does this look like a gentleman that holds any punches? I don't think so.

Nope, but it does look like a chubby middle-aged white school teacher from Georgia who told his first wife he was filing for divorce while she was recuperating from uterine cancer surgery.

Oh yeah, he was also pushed out as house speaker by his very own party.

[crisp]

obama has failed from day 1. just like mike brown failed against stan van gundy.

[SBR Lou]

Nope, but it does look like a chubby middle-aged white school teacher from Georgia who told his first wife he was filing for divorce while she was recuperating from uterine cancer surgery.

Oh yeah, he was also pushed out as house speaker by his very own party.

What does divorcing his wife have to do with his career or time as speaker? Would you rather he pull a John Edwards, stay in what is obviously an unhappy marriage, and cheat on his wife?

A whole lot deviation from the original post, unsure why his thoughts on Obama's philosophies with respect to the economy and the role government should play is so taboo to discuss.

[Dbldown11]

CrazyLou.....I think the main thing you're not understanding is that hearing something like this from a hypocrit like Newt Gingrich is not gonna help any republican cause.

1) you mentioned in a post in this thread how partisanship hurt our governtment....Well nobobdy is more partisan that Newt. When he was speaker and worked with Tom DeLay that's when you started seeing republicans vote straight party line with ZERO bi-partisanship. They would actually threaten to not give senators or house members campaign money if they didnt vote the way they were "supposed" to

2) Newt and lots of republicans talk about fiscal responsibility.....When Newt got into office spouting at the mouth about reform the earmark industry actually got bigger and bigger. And you want to talk about fiscal responsibility Republicans will say whatever they have to say and do whatever they have to do to stay in power...even if it's unrealistic and makes no sense. Just like they'll pass laws and legislation to do things that cost money with no plan to pay for them, and the next day talk about how they are going to cut taxes

[Thor4140]

Nope, but it does look like a chubby middle-aged white school teacher from Georgia who told his first wife he was filing for divorce while she was recuperating from uterine cancer surgery.

Oh yeah, he was also pushed out as house speaker by his very own party.

Didn't this douche bag also condemn Clinton for his inappropriate actions with Monica while he himself was having an affair?

[SBR Lou]

CrazyLou.....I think the main thing you're not understanding is that hearing something like this from a hypocrit like Newt Gingrich is not gonna help any republican cause.

1) you mentioned in a post in this thread how partisanship hurt our governtment....Well nobobdy is more partisan that Newt. When he was speaker and worked with Tom DeLay that's when you started seeing republicans vote straight party line with ZERO bi-partisanship. They would actually threaten to not give senators or house members campaign money if they didnt vote the way they were "supposed" to

2) Newt and lots of republicans talk about fiscal responsibility.....When Newt got into office spouting at the mouth about reform the earmark industry actually got bigger and bigger. And you want to talk about fiscal responsibility Republicans will say whatever they have to say and do whatever they have to do to stay in power...even if it's unrealistic and makes no sense. Just like they'll pass laws and legislation to do things that cost money with no plan to pay for them, and the next day talk about how they are going to cut taxes

Refresh my memory on Obama's position on earmarks in general while he was campaigning, then after he was elected.

[Dbldown11]

first of all Obama is the president.....the president doesn't control the house or senate (those are the people that put in earmarks) So the presidents policy is the same as it was, but unless he wants to not sign any bills into law, the bills will have earmarks until the house and senate stop putting them in. And The earmarks that I'm talking about are all going back to the main problem with is campaign funding.

Members of congress use earmarks and certain legislation to make the PAC's (political action comittees that give them money) happy. They do these things not because it is in the countries best interest, but to make sure they will keep getting money.

Until we have federally funded national campaigns nothing will EVER get accomplished proactively....things will get accomplished but always retroactively when it is too late, or almost too late

[SBR Lou]

So in other words, something he campaigned actively against he will allow to happen right under his nose, and will sheepishly sign such bills into law so as to not alienate (mostly) his party members.

first of all Obama is the president.....the president doesn't control the house or senate (those are the people that put in earmarks) So the presidents policy is the same as it was, but unless he wants to not sign any bills into law, the bills will have earmarks until the house and senate stop putting them in. And The earmarks that I'm talking about are all going back to the main problem with is campaign funding.

Members of congress use earmarks and certain legislation to make the PAC's (political action comittees that give them money) happy. They do these things not because it is in the countries best interest, but to make sure they will keep getting money.

Until we have federally funded national campaigns nothing will EVER get accomplished proactively....things will get accomplished but always retroactively when it is too late, or almost too late

[Dbldown11]

No not at all CrazyLou but he does have to get things done right now. Now is not the time to complain about earmarks with all the other problems we have going on in the country and the world. So his promise to clean up Washington may have to wait a little.

People say he is taking on too much and trying to do too much at once.....and also say he's not doing EVERYTHING he promised right away. You can't have your cake and eat it to. Just because he campaigned on something and hasn't addressed it right away doesnt mean he wont. It just means there are more important things going on.

I'm not trying to say Obama is the best president ever or anything. I like what he's trying to do at least, and he seems very genuine. Time will tell how his plans play out. That is something many people arent giving him though....time.

You cannot judge him or his economic plan or plan for the middle east based on 6 months. Give the man time...something Newt obviously won't do.

At this point I think myself along with many other people have shown that Newt is not the man to be listening to if you're on the right.....so for future reference if you want to bash Obama...use someone with a little less hypocrisy in their history

[Dbldown11]

Oh and by the way "(mostly) his party members" is a COMPLETELY FALSE STATEMENT. relative to the number of democrats and republicans in the house and senate....republicans had WAAAAAY more earmarks than dems

[SBR Lou]

So his promise to clean up Washington may have to wait a little.

So in other words, he honors his word and promises to the American people when it is convenient for him.

No need to make excuses, politicians have been doing it throughout history, but let's stop acting like this guy is bringing real "change" to the way things are done around Washington. He's just another one of them when it's all said and done. The biggest change he brings is the fact that he's capable of speaking properly, unlike our previous President.

[Dbldown11]

I agree CrazyLou with the way the government is set up with the money parties have to raise it is and always will be corrupt. Which is why I say we need publicly funded federal election campaigns. So that the playing field will be leveled. Rich people are who keep winning senate and house seats...and that's not good for anyone. And it will also stop all the quid pro quo that goes on in Washington, and it will also stop the endless campaigns, and maybe senators and house memebers will start doing actual work and debating actual topics once again.

And I still think Obama is going to do what he can to clean up Washington....but right now Iraw, Afghanistan, the economy, and health care are more important that quelling earmarks. You have to pick and choose your battles and when you fight them

[tacomax]

If ever a position opened for Political Handicapping Evaluator at SBR then I think Louie would be a very good fit.

[SBR Lou]

If ever a position opened for Political Handicapping Evaluator at SBR then I think Louie would be a very good fit.

I appreciate that coming from you, I really am not biased when discussing politics and have no problems criticizing either side. One of the benefits of not blindly following the party lines is actually being able to think for yourself. I know there are plenty smart people who are either Democrat or Republican that simply don't vote when their parties candidate's principles don't align with their own. I never understood that. Why "belong" to a party like that, this isn't some kind of fraternity it's your country. Don't look the other way when your party fucks up, stand up for what you believe in and vote for the other guy even if it means losing the right to listen to "Rush Limbaugh" without a guilty conscience.

[BobHarvey]

I appreciate that coming from you, I really am not biased when discussing politics and have no problems criticizing either side. One of the benefits of not blindly following the party lines is actually being able to think for yourself. I know there are plenty smart people who are either Democrat or Republican that simply don't vote when their parties candidate's principles don't align with their own. I never understood that. Why "belong" to a party like that, this isn't some kind of fraternity it's your country. Don't look the other way when your party fucks up, stand up for what you believe in and vote for the other guy even if it means losing the right to listen to "Rush Limbaugh" without a guilty conscience.

You nailed it. Great post.

[MartinBlank]

What does divorcing his wife have to do with his career or time as speaker? Would you rather he pull a John Edwards, stay in what is obviously an unhappy marriage, and cheat on his wife?

A whole lot deviation from the original post, unsure why his thoughts on Obama's philosophies with respect to the economy and the role government should play is so taboo to discuss.

Oh, I think you can tell a great deal about a person's character from the way Gingrich filed for divorce. It shows him to be the self-serving, egomaniac that he was as SOH. And his comments about Obama are aimed at pumping life into his pathetic ideas of running in 2012. Of note...he also did it a second time around with another wife. The point lost on you CL, is this....why should Gingrich's opinion carry so much weight since he is an obvious piece of steaming pile of cow-sheeite?

And you do raise a good point about Edwards. He too is a POS, but I don't see you trumping up any of his qoutes. Why?.

I mean if you are going to troll for scumbags with opinions, both sides of the political spectrum have them....why should Newt's vomit carry more weight than a dope pusher living under a bridge?

[MilfDriller]

Incorrect.....she said it was the first time in a while she was "proud" of her country, she never ever said that she hated the country at any point.

And just to be clear I am a white male and November 4th 2008 was the first time in a long time that I was proud of my country as well

ha ha. that's what's called a Starbuck drinkin', Mazda Miata-drivin' sucka

[andywend]

Obama can be a president for 100 years and he will never fukk up the country the way Bush fukked it up in just 8 years.

100 years?

Obama has done far more long term damage to the country in his first 100 DAYS then Bush did during his entire 8 year run.

You have your head so far up Obama's rear end, you can't see what is happening right in front of your eyes.

[andywend]

And by the way. All politicians are going to be at least somewhat corrupt, or owe people favors as long as there is a need for them to generate millions and millions of dollars for their campaigns.

They rarely ever work, they are in a never ending campaign mode, and they don't try to solve actual problems because they don't want to make decisions that actually affect anything, instead they focus on "wedge" issues (abortion, gay marriage, gun rights) that in reality don't really matter when you look at all the important issues they should be working on (international terrorism, health care, Social Security reform).

It's our own damn fault for letting them get away with it, because we base our votes on stupid wedge issues and don't hold them accountable for accomplishing nothing. NOTHING EVEN GETS ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE WEDGE ISSUES!!!!! how freaking long has abortion been an issue in this country? You think with how many elections have been won or lost on that freaking issue at least we would have come up with a consensus or a middle ground by now!

The system is and always will be corrupt as long as politicians are allowed to raise as much money and spend as much money as they can to win elections! WE NEED PUBLICLY FUNDED FEDERAL ELECTIONS!!!

First the good news:
I sure do agree with everything you said here, thats for sure.

It should be ILLEGAL for any group or individual to contribute money to a political campaign. People who contribute MILLIONS of dollars are doing it for a reason and are expecting to get paid back if their "horse" wins.

Stop the private financing of political campaigns and end the corruption that is spread throughout Washington D.C.

Now the bad news:

Liberal white males like yourself have done far more damage to the country than all other groups combined. You voted for Barack Obama because you felt you were evening the score in some way for all the injustices inflicted against African-Americans in the past.

However, you elected a dyed-in-the-wool socialist who is HELL BENT on the federal government taking over every possible thing they can get their hands on.

I realize that Obama's skin color was appealing to you but it was a shame you couldn't look past the glossy exterior and realized what you set loose on the rest of us.

If you're honest with yourself, you know what I am saying is true.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I got goosebumps reading that.

Tell 'em Newt!

Can you remind me which party initiated the governmental bailout strategy for this recession again? Thanks.

DJIA

1/22/01 (Bush's inauguration): 10,587
1/20/09 (Obama's inauguration): 7949
Today: 8763

Hmm. You sure you wanna blame Obama for this mess?

[nosniboR11]

The guy is right, I think we are all finding out Obama is a socialist Muslim and has no clue about running a Country. I think he is out to destroy America and plus in his books he claimed to hate America. How can this guy be in office?

I will tell you why

Dumb and uneducated young people voted him in

JJ with this comment I will no longer give you a hard time, gl sir and have fun

[wtf]

i always love when someone does not agree with willbee leftist tired routine, he always pulls out the old standard line of calling them "sheep" when he is the biggest one of the flock

[wtf]

this is a little off topic but i also read a post recently that stated

obama's predator looking wife will not join him on his impending trip to middle east cause he is muslim and married to a non-muslim, thus she is not allowed entry

[reno cool]

Newt Gingrich thinks Obama has failed already

Oh my gawd that's huge news. Next you're going to tell me Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney feel the same way! How amazing would that be ?!?!

Gingrich is a shitbag. All the '94 Republicans did was further squeeze the poor while enriching themselves. Now he's some important speaker. Keep scaring the public with "government interference"
Of course these bastards hate govt interference. Because it might interfere with their ability to rape the public.

[TheIntegrityKid]

I'm liking this Dbldown11 guy... he seems to see the big picture... Lou seems very cool and confident too.

Good debate fellas...

[lakerboy]

america is supposed to be the democratic ideal to the world. then just when "3rd party man Ross Perot" was about to become president he was told to boot because he would have changed the whole dynamic of washington and the american political institution. its funny how a democratic country only has 2 legit parties that both dont do anything good for their people but keep taking turns trying to govern the country

newt gingrich is a ranting and raving moron

[Willie Bee]

i always love when someone does not agree with willbee leftist tired routine, he always pulls out the old standard line of calling them "sheep" when he is the biggest one of the flock

Your ignorance is amusing to me as well.

[Dbldown11]

I appreciate that coming from you, I really am not biased when discussing politics and have no problems criticizing either side. One of the benefits of not blindly following the party lines is actually being able to think for yourself. I know there are plenty smart people who are either Democrat or Republican that simply don't vote when their parties candidate's principles don't align with their own. I never understood that. Why "belong" to a party like that, this isn't some kind of fraternity it's your country. Don't look the other way when your party fucks up, stand up for what you believe in and vote for the other guy even if it means losing the right to listen to "Rush Limbaugh" without a guilty conscience.

Completely agree as well....I wish everyone was just an independant and made up their own damn minds about how they felt about shit. Instead of just being told

[Dbldown11]

First the good news:
I sure do agree with everything you said here, thats for sure.

It should be ILLEGAL for any group or individual to contribute money to a political campaign. People who contribute MILLIONS of dollars are doing it for a reason and are expecting to get paid back if their "horse" wins.

Stop the private financing of political campaigns and end the corruption that is spread throughout Washington D.C.

Now the bad news:

Liberal white males like yourself have done far more damage to the country than all other groups combined. You voted for Barack Obama because you felt you were evening the score in some way for all the injustices inflicted against African-Americans in the past.

However, you elected a dyed-in-the-wool socialist who is HELL BENT on the federal government taking over every possible thing they can get their hands on.

I realize that Obama's skin color was appealing to you but it was a shame you couldn't look past the glossy exterior and realized what you set loose on the rest of us.

If you're honest with yourself, you know what I am saying is true.

First of all: I'm glad you agree

Second of all: Let's be honest.....do some of the things that Obama has done lean very far left??? YES

HOWEVER...He was thrown into some extenuating circumstances that called for quick and decisive action. For anyone that thinks if the economy was going good when he got into office he would have done the same things with all these companies...YOU'RE CRAZY.

Lets not forget....the initial TARP bailout was funded by BUSH but no one is calling him a crazy liberal socialist.....how come?

And health care? People have KNOWN for a long long long long long time that we need to fix the system, but no one has done shit about it. Why? because our political system is so corrupt and bogus that politicians don't tackle real issues. And now that we finally have a president that seems serious about doing something with our 3rd world health care system he's a socialist?

GIVE ME A BREAK. and lets give the man some time before we proclaim him the next Chavez or Castro. He was given a not a full plate of REAL issues to deal with, but an entire ****ing kitchen.

[Kaiser Jacob]

Socialism always fails, its not a matter of if but when. When you introduce market inefficiencies they fail. The economy is a natural evolving mechanism that revolves around the central principle that capital will flow to the area of least resistance. With the heightened ability of moving capital across borders without physical barriers you will see great outflows of capital to lower taxing, higher yielding capital efficiencies. The fundamental principles of an Obama economy fails a simple means test, his policy reward individuals that have nothing at stake and punish people that prove to be an efficient net creditors to society. It's simply a numbers game for me and with me being thrown into the 40 percent tax bracket, that represent a hugh reduction in my ability to control how I allocate my capital and it causes me to rethink my investment and capital strategies. So Obama has failed me greatly and will cause me to seek lower taxation, thus removing capital from the USA. This is an endgame for American competitiveness in the financial sector.

[Dbldown11]

OH PLEASE KAISER.......low to income citizens of this country have been paying higher percentage of taxes for years so lets not cry. Secondly the taxes used to be 80-90% for people like you and we didnt dissolve. And finally you're right socialism does always fail....

LUCKILY WE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN AND STILL ARE A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC

[Kaiser Jacob]

OH PLEASE KAISER.......low to income citizens of this country have been paying higher percentage of taxes for years so lets not cry. Secondly the taxes used to be 80-90% for people like you and we didnt dissolve. And finally you're right socialism does always fail....

LUCKILY WE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN AND STILL ARE A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC

Top 50 percent of taxpayers pay 95 percent of state and federal taxes according to the Tax Foundation, so you are wrong. Taxation at 80 to 90 percent for the highest tax bracket was never paid, it was structured so that all income was taxed at the capital gains rate, so you are wrong. Last populist democracy is what we have become, which is an extension of socialism. The country was set up on the principles of being a federal republic, which we no longer are.

[losturmarbles]

Socialism always fails, its not a matter of if but when. When you introduce market inefficiencies they fail. The economy is a natural evolving mechanism that revolves around the central principle that capital will flow to the area of least resistance. With the heightened ability of moving capital across borders without physical barriers you will see great outflows of capital to lower taxing, higher yielding capital efficiencies. The fundamental principles of an Obama economy fails a simple means test, his policy reward individuals that have nothing at stake and punish people that prove to be an efficient net creditors to society. It's simply a numbers game for me and with me being thrown into the 40 percent tax bracket, that represent a hugh reduction in my ability to control how I allocate my capital and it causes me to rethink my investment and capital strategies. So Obama has failed me greatly and will cause me to seek lower taxation, thus removing capital from the USA. This is an endgame for American competitiveness in the financial sector.

principles of an Obama economy = less producers, more looters