The new Overdose craze...Well here's a perfect time to eliminate forever

[MJFtheGenius]

Next thread...if we make sports gambling illegal then that will stop people from gambling on sports

[PAULYPOKER]

[The Kraken]

This thread clearly didn't go the way OP intended it to

[JIBBBY]

Peter had something to say about this.. ..

[The Kraken]

Very good. Around 10% of all people prescribed opiate pain meds will become addicted to them. Around 3% will do heroin. The OVERWHELMING amount of people who abuse opiate pain pills themselves, and possibly try heroin, were never prescribed the opiates. They got them from family, friends or drug dealers. A small portion lied to a Doctor to get some. For people to understand this and still believe the pharm companies or doctors are to blame is insane. They never come in contact with the people abusing them. People lie, cheat and steal to get this stuff but somehow the source of the pills is too blame???? Even the people who get them prescribed to them are going completely off the rails by using them for a high instead of the intended use. I do believe doctors should monitor these things, but I can tell you as a former abuser that there is no system that could be put in place that will stop a drug addict from getting drugs. Once again, common sense regulation should prevail, but to blame ANYONE except the abusers further hinders the real issues.

The only way to help the drug problem is try to attack the desire of people to escape reality. Trying to eradicate the drugs is ass backwards and has never worked at all. If nobody wants heroin there will be no more heroin because nobody would waste time trying to sell a product nobody wants. The real reason for the heroin epidemic among young people is far less complicated. Obviously the desire is there. But heroin used to be hard to get and could only be injected or smoked. Those 2 things require a certain amount of time, planning and privacy. It also was not cheap. Now it is snortable and dirt cheap. Convenience and cost are the 2 biggest factors to young people and drug use. So when the world's most powerful, destructive and addictive drug fits those parameters, look out.

Remember, over 90% of people who are prescribed opiate meds never have any issue and never let others use their pills. The problem with drug abuse is that the real reasons behind it are very rarely talked. Things like parenting, personal choice, communication, self esteem, self respect and its ok to make mistakes are far to personal and difficult to address. So people blame things that don't threaten them, like doctors and pharm companies. It doesn't mean those people can't improve their approach, but it is way down the line of things that need to be changed.

Rehabs have a less than 5% success rate, long term, and even less for heroin addiction. They really do nothing. I went to one a long time ago. It helped but I quit because I had just had it and wouldn't have lasted much longer. 90 + % of the people there wuth me were court ordered or their family, employers forced them in. None of them made it. Many are dead. People would rather have a 28 day rehab stay than do 2-4 in jail. They just play the game and start right up upon leaving. Even people who go in themselves don't have very good odds. Drug treatment is a big money grab scam. Far more people quit on their own. Not the answer.

It sounds horrible to say, but once the chemicals start being used as an escape mechanism, you are playing with fire. The best way to stop drug abuse is to never start. Parenting is the key. Kids that have communication and self worth tend to do well. Not always, but it is the best drug prevention possible. Once it starts for someone it becomes a crap shoot as to who quits and who dies.

Not sure I've ever agreed with anything you said but I 100% agree with everything you said above

[pilebuck13]

Just make narcan available to everyone

[The Kraken]

Just make narcan available to everyone

This thread isn't really about overdoses and Opiates, although it kinda went down that road anyways.

I would say an overwhelming number of overdoses actually happen at home, many of them unintentional. Narcan isn't the answer. It may save a life occasionally, but I've used narcan on many repeat customers. It doesn't address the problem which is addiction and addiction cannot be addressed without knowing what reality the person is trying to escape.

[JIBBBY]

Just make narcan available to everyone

That and free birth control pills and condoms..

[maggiethebestdog]

This thread isn't really about overdoses and Opiates, although it kinda went down that road anyways.

I would say an overwhelming number of overdoses actually happen at home, many of them unintentional. Narcan isn't the answer. It may save a life occasionally, but I've used narcan on many repeat customers. It doesn't address the problem which is addiction and addiction cannot be addressed without knowing what reality the person is trying to escape.

The only person with the ability to know what they are escaping from is the abuser. No amount of treatment, court or family intervention can make someone who isn't willing to do anything to quit get better. If the person really wants to quit and is willing to do anything to do so, nobody can sabotage it from the outside. It is an inside job. That doesn't mean that they don't need other people's help. But unless the abuser is doing the heavy lifting it doesn't matter.

Drug addicts love when society blames doctors, big pharma, drug dealers etc...
The key to being a drug addict is to deflect all attention away from you and manipulate the entire world into meeting your needs. People today are unwittingly falling right into their trap by blaming everyone but them.

[pilebuck13]

This thread isn't really about overdoses and Opiates, although it kinda went down that road anyways.

I would say an overwhelming number of overdoses actually happen at home, many of them unintentional. Narcan isn't the answer. It may save a life occasionally, but I've used narcan on many repeat customers. It doesn't address the problem which is addiction and addiction cannot be addressed without knowing what reality the person is trying to escape.

I agree most happen alone...most addicts deep in addiction isolate alone. I do fully with my heart believe though that the current heroin opioid epidemic in this country is a direct result of Purdue pharmacy and the pushing of OxyContin to be over prescribed.

[JIBBBY]

The only person with the ability to know what they are escaping from is the abuser. No amount of treatment, court or family intervention can make someone who isn't willing to do anything to quit get better. If the person really wants to quit and is willing to do anything to do so, nobody can sabotage it from the outside. It is an inside job. That doesn't mean that they don't need other people's help. But unless the abuser is doing the heavy lifting it doesn't matter.

Drug addicts love when society blames doctors, big pharma, drug dealers etc...
The key to being a drug addict is to deflect all attention away from you and manipulate the entire world into meeting your needs. People today are unwittingly falling right into their trap by blaming everyone but them.

Giving it up to GOD and Jesus and surrendering is the only true addiction cure to anything in life.. A lengthy jail sentence can get ya clean in a hurry also, give you time to think about your life and bad choices....

[MJFtheGenius]

This thread clearly didn't go the way OP intended it to

nope oh well

[maggiethebestdog]

Wow. Pill makers fault, Jesus and jail. Carry on. Sounds like a plan.

[JIBBBY]

Wow. Pill makers fault, Jesus and jail. Carry on. Sounds like a plan.

Lol.. No one to blame but yourself if you commit a crime and go to jail.. You do get to go sober, 3 squares a day, medical and dental and a roof over your head for free.. You are in a cage like an animal though because you didn't play by the rules...

Oh and every addict remembers when the turned that corner, everyone that makes these addictive drugs know these drugs aren't contributing to society or saving lives, some also know and some don't about what might go down in the after life.. Just maybe they will face the Almighty on judgement day upon death?.. Might be hell to pay?.. Ya never know..

Help others, give to people in need and be a good person in life regardless even if you have money or not is your best bet.

Leave this world knowing the world was better off having you then not I say...

[jjgold]

Weak people = drug addicted

[Mac4Lyfe]

JJGOLD, SE Cupp chicago sun times, Phoebe Maltz Bovy (new republic.com), John Donahue CNN, Thom Hartman (RT The Big picture), Scott Martelle (LA times), Chris Mathews (MSLSD), Rachal Maddow (mslsd), Keith Olberman (GQ)
I thought it be better to name these because its documented online verse what my buddy John Smith said over in Philly, I could keep going all night.

I'm not seeing Olberman wanting to ban guns or the 2nd amendment???

Maddow: Like, I’m a real liberal, even on, like, gun safety and gun control issues. That said, I think that shooting is fun, and I think that shooting ranges are an excellent place to both learn about guns and to freak your friends out!

I'm not seeing Maddow wanting to ban guns either nor delete the 2nd amendment??? You know there's a difference between wanting to ban guns and preventing guns into the wrong hands???


I don't have time to look up every person in the world. Sure you will find people that want to ban all guns and you'll find people that are okay with everyone owning chemical weapons. Most people with common sense understand that there needs to be sensible gun control. NOT BANS but control.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Pills (painkillers) should be legal and cheap for anyone who wants them if they really want to cut down on the overdose rate due to heroin and specifically fentanyl in heroin

Most opiate addicts would rather the pills if they could afford their habit....cleaner high and they know exactly how much they're taking. Heroin from the street is mixed with God knows what and who knows when the next dose is fatal. Very hard to overdose on pills unless you're mixing with alcohol and/or other drugs

I don't think you'd see anything close to the epidemic we have now

[gauchojake]

Many opiate addicts would never have known that their drug of choice is an opiate had they not been prescribed or taken others' pills in the first place. That's not to say that they wouldn't have been addicted to some other substance, it just would have been harder to find the opiates.

The ratio of addicts hasn't made a substantial change over the past 50 years, but what they are addicted to has. This is a result of access which companies like Purdue have provided. Trust me if somehow there was medicinal crack that dr's were prescribing instead, there would be a bunch of fukkin crackheads on the street instead of junkies.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Many opiate addicts would never have known that their drug of choice is an opiate had they not been prescribed or taken others' pills in the first place. That's not to say that they wouldn't have been addicted to some other substance, it just would have been harder to find the opiates.

The ratio of addicts hasn't made a substantial change over the past 50 years, but what they are addicted to has. This is a result of access which companies like Purdue have provided. Trust me if somehow there was medicinal crack that dr's were prescribing instead, there would be a bunch of fukkin crackheads on the street instead of junkies.

I agree....this whole crackdown on pills is a sham though now that the cat's outta the bag. There are people that legitimately need it and others who would live a relatively normal life if they were readily available......compared to being flat out junkies living for their next bag of heroin because their script for the pills were taken away and/or too expensive on the streets

[Cuse0323]

I say free pills for all. Can we get that legislation passed? Possibly by the afternoon. God damn withdrawals suck. Forgot how obnoxious this shit is. Not even in the thick of it yet. How does the body keep shitting when you don't eat food, damn. I'll gladly take one for the cause, and OD right now.

[5mike5]

I say free pills for all. Can we get that legislation passed? Possibly by the afternoon. God damn withdrawals suck. Forgot how obnoxious this shit is. Not even in the thick of it yet. How does the body keep shitting when you don't eat food, damn. I'll gladly take one for the cause, and OD right now.

It's brutal

[Cuse0323]

It's brutal

I'll be going for the cycle soon. Booze, benzos, opiates, and gambling. Well, no way I'm doing that. Need booze at least somehow. Unfortunately, I don't steal or ask people for money. Wish I was a scum bucket. Oh well.

[5mike5]

Xans and Roxy combo was bad enough. Glad I don't drink. Lol

[Cuse0323]

Xans and Roxy combo was bad enough. Glad I don't drink. Lol

Benzo withdrawal blows. Especially Xanax. Not sure how you pulled that one off.

[Cuse0323]

As for the actual topic. Ain't a damn thing that can be done. Opiates are over prescribed, but meh, I was never prescribed them and got them. Parents need to be smarter is the only thing really. Don't leave a bottle of pills hanging around. Watch yo kids, and be a pain in the ass even when they tell you how much they hate you. Throwing them from counselor to counselor, psychiatrist to psychiatrist, or rehab to rehab is the lazy way out, and will rarely do shit. I'd be cool with legalizing some drugs honestly. Not sure the best way to pull that off, but hey, alcohol is legal and destroying me. Clean heroin doesn't really have much negative effects on the body. People just overdose, share dirty needles, and other unsanitary shit that causes issues.

[5mike5]

Benzo withdrawal blows. Especially Xanax. Not sure how you pulled that one off.

didnt have a choice. After 5+ years my hook ghosted. Never did one without the other

Sezuires all the time and no sleep for months not a fun combo.

[chico2663]

Start with opiates. People get hooked on pills and when they run out they go to the streets and it is only a matter of time before someone hips them to heroin which will get them higher for cheaper than the street oxys, tabs and xannys. Then they get hooked on heroin and increase the risk of an overdose death.

Medical and Pharmaceutical fields need to realize they are killing people and look to alternative methods for pain management.

guy I met and thought was a douche when he was in cincy now is sueing pharma

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/us/ohio-sues-pharmaceutical-drug-opioid-epidemic-mike-dewine.html

[Cuse0323]

didnt have a choice. After 5+ years my hook ghosted. Never did one without the other

Sezuires all the time and no sleep for months not a fun combo.

Damn. That's what I was wondering. The seizures. Lucky to be alive, shit. You didn't go to the hospital, damn. I have convulsions, and wake up randomly sore all over but I don't think I've had a seizure. Scared shitless to have one. I just start hallucinating, and have panic attacks so I have to go somewhere or I'd off myself. You are stronger than I. Glad you're clean. Well I assume so, and that experience will make you never want to go back.

[chico2663]

Let me say this. Lazy fukking teachers are a big problem with the drug problems. What do I mean by that? When I was a kid the teacher beat the shit out of you. Now they prescribe these kids pills for having adhd. Hell how many people over 50 had that? But we took the swatings or beatings and went on with it. Now these kids are drugged up. Every person I know that was on that adhd drug is on some other drug now or a thief. I have lost 4 friends from od'ing sp because they got hurt on the job and got hooked on pills.These drs. are just as much part of the problem. My dr will give me oxys or whatever I want for pain but i have a personalty that is addictive. So i would rather just deal with the pain then popping these pills. Now when i was in cinti there was 2 different streets to get the drugs. One was to get crack. the other was to get heroin. I would see so many toothless roofers from ky in there beat up cars going down the streets. They were in the hood to get their hook up.

[5mike5]

I em the to the hospital the 1st time because I was with somebody else and they had no idea what was happening. Woke up in the ambulanace. Ofcourse hospital didn't do a damn thing besides give me a few days of adovan and a bill for several Gs. After that the next 9-10 I had I didn't waste the time of going after I figured out what happened. And yes it's very scary to wake up sore as hell, soiled and no clue what happened.

You shouldnt have 1 if u haven't yet. I was doing 2-3 poles a day

Well im clean from those anyways for now and for over a year. I Never say never was on all this shit for too many years. U know it goes, still al it's impossible to say no when they both pop up.

[chico2663]

Giving it up to GOD and Jesus and surrendering is the only true addiction cure to anything in life.. A lengthy jail sentence can get ya clean in a hurry also, give you time to think about your life and bad choices....

i guess u don't know anyone in jail. It is easier to get drugs in prison than it is on the streets. I have friends that are the jailers. I have family that are the prisoners. Hell there was 3 prisons that were within a 15 mile from where I grew up. My buddies father retired from their and now his ssons work there. Lebanon correctional was one of them

[The Kraken]

I em the to the hospital the 1st time because I was with somebody else and they had no idea what was happening. Woke up in the ambulanace. Ofcourse hospital didn't do a damn thing besides give me a few days of adovan and a bill for several Gs. After that the next 9-10 I had I didn't waste the time of going after I figured out what happened. And yes it's very scary to wake up sore as hell, soiled and no clue what happened.

You shouldnt have 1 if u haven't yet. I was doing 2-3 poles a day

Well im clean from those anyways for now and for over a year. I Never say never was on all this shit for too many years. U know it goes, still al it's impossible to say no when they both pop up.

Nice work making it a year, not a small feat

I’ve got one contact left and once I delete his # outta my phone, it’s over. May due it after tonight

[CappinTerp]

Over 65,000 OD deaths per year. Let's eliminate forever, make cocaine, heroin, opiates illegal so we can put an end to this. the time has come

They are making progress on this,since 2014...2.5 million, less scrips have been written by DR's........................but still a big problem,exp. for the younger people.

[JIBBBY]

i guess u don't know anyone in jail. It is easier to get drugs in prison than it is on the streets. I have friends that are the jailers. I have family that are the prisoners. Hell there was 3 prisons that were within a 15 mile from where I grew up. My buddies father retired from their and now his ssons work there. Lebanon correctional was one of them

True you can get some drugs in jail, but if you are hooked on Heroin and need a fix everyday I'm pretty sure you won't be able to get that fix daily and shoot up in jail or have the resources and money to do it..

You'll be forced to go clean!! JAIL IS A GREAT PLACE FOR HARD CORE ADDICTS!!!

Same with Crack and Crystal Meth. Can't get that and smoke that every day in Jail... Pills and Alcohol you probably can get if you have money coming in...

[jtoler]

Nothing new about this, Pauly told you what's up but as usual you guys debating the superficial.