Over 65,000 OD deaths per year. Let's eliminate forever, make cocaine, heroin, opiates illegal so we can put an end to this. the time has come 
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Start with opiates. People get hooked on pills and when they run out they go to the streets and it is only a matter of time before someone hips them to heroin which will get them higher for cheaper than the street oxys, tabs and xannys. Then they get hooked on heroin and increase the risk of an overdose death.
Medical and Pharmaceutical fields need to realize they are killing people and look to alternative methods for pain management.Comment -
If we make them illegal it will put an end to all this. I encourage everyone to write to their congressman and tell them to make these drugs illegal
In what kind of country are we living in where Heroin and cocaine are legal drugs?Comment -
As a fortunate near death survivor of substance abuse I can assure you that you couldn't be more wrongOriginally posted by Grits n' GravyComment -
Nice work defeating substance abuse!Originally posted by maggiethebestdogComment -
1st off it is already illegal
2nd nothing will stop people who wanna do a drug from doing it. PeriodComment -
guys are clearly not getting your over the top sarcastic parallel you are drawing with guns
i'd argue its a false parallel anyways for many reasons.
but if YOU DID make those drugs legal but regulated them heavily, then maybe it would be safer and we could pay less taxes. as the druggie money would go to the government and legit business people and not mobs and gangs.
so yes to more drug and gun regulations!!!!Comment -
Drugs are not going anywhereComment -
The drugs are illegal! how can you relegate more then that? sure looks like its working based on increasing deaths from OD! No where in history has more government regulation resulted in lower taxesOriginally posted by Chi_archieComment -
WTF, I thought if you make something illegal people wont do itOriginally posted by 5mike5Comment -
But if you make drugs illegal, only the drug dealers will have drugs.Comment -
It wouldn't surprise me if Purdue Pharma had connections to the cartels.
I spend a good amount of time with guys who are 17-25 and almost to a man, everyone of them got hooked on pills prior to their heroin addiction. Not one of them ever decided to go and smoke some black tar and then become a junkie. They all started on pills.Comment -
Originally posted by Roadtrip635
If we make guns illegal will only the criminals have guns?? The criminals will know we are unarmed? say it aint so
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I would like the "pills lead to heroin" believers to take a wild guess at what percentage of people who legally take opiate pain pills end up doing heroin. Be my guest. Actually, guess what percentage of people using opiod pain medicine get hooked on THOSE drugs.Comment -
Afghanistan is now the heroin capital of the world............
What do you think pays for the covert missions of corporate mineral rights interests involving the CIA and other agencies?
It doesn't take rocket science to understand when this heroin/opiod epidemic went into overdrive...........
Not long after the US invasion of Afghanistan...........
Take opiods from the pharmacies and the epidemic will increase 10 fold for the fact you can't control/regulate the quantity,purity and quality.......Comment -
like I saidOriginally posted by MJFtheGenius If we make guns illegal will only the criminals have guns?? The criminals will know we are unarmed? say it aint so
false parallel and a straw man at that
no one of any import or intelligence is calling for making guns illegalComment -
They are illegal already.. That doesn't stop anything.. Just creates more street dealers and illegal drug trafficking and smuggling..Originally posted by MJFtheGeniusOver 65,000 OD deaths per year. Let's eliminate forever, make cocaine, heroin, opiates illegal so we can put an end to this. the time has come
I say legalize it all, tax the shit out of it, make it safer for users.. No bad dope.. Then bring about more public awareness and open up many more free drug rehab centers..
When you think about how Alcohol can kill people, illegal drugs aren't that much different if you are hooked.. Drug users will find the drugs on the streets or through shady doctors anyways..Comment -
Can't ban guns for home protection or hunting.. Outside of that I think you can..Originally posted by MJFtheGenius If we make guns illegal will only the criminals have guns?? The criminals will know we are unarmed? say it aint soComment -
It's very small. Most people are not addicts regardless of the drugs they take. I would say that the percentage of people who try opiates or benzos and get addicted is around 5%. How many of those try heroin is a different story though. Many people can get the pills they need to maintain their addiction. Some move to other substances. Maybe 1-2% of those move to heroin.Originally posted by maggiethebestdog
The issue though isn't percentages. It's the sheer volume of NEW people who are trying opiate pain medication that is alarming. The percentages of addicts would likely stay static with the general population trends of addiction. It's just that more people are discovering that the drug of choice is an opiate instead of alcohol or other drugs. Thus the overdose issue and heroin epidemic.Comment -
OK I disagree, I think most democrats and liberals goal is to get rid of the 2nd amendmentOriginally posted by Chi_archieComment -
ambulance services can't keep up with the overdose calls around here
1st time OK
second time you clearly want to die keep drivingComment -
Originally posted by JIBBBY
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Anyone ever stop to think that these OD'ers want to die?Comment -
Hold up! 64% of gun deaths are suicides, are you saying this more of an accountability thing?Originally posted by PAULYPOKERComment -
How many of you know that street dealers put lethal doses of fentanyl in their heroin for advertising purposes?
Every time they lace their product with fentanyl and news hits the streets of people od'in.
The addicts come in droves to get their hands on the best powerful shit as they call it from this particular dealer.........Comment -
The less people the better, too bad they are replaced by nothing better.Comment -
I don’t think there’s any answer to many people can’t cope with problems especially nowadays meeting their weakComment -
If people are truly ill enough to want to die to end their suffering mentally or physically...
Wouldn't loved ones trying to stop them be selfish?Comment -
Lol, population control and you are getting rid of drug attics.. Just seems a bit ruthless thinking like that thoughOriginally posted by k13
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you think?Originally posted by MJFtheGenius
shouldn't be too hard for you to find some state and national level elected officials that are democrats and liberals, representing the above people,making statements about making all drugs illegal.Comment -
Very good. Around 10% of all people prescribed opiate pain meds will become addicted to them. Around 3% will do heroin. The OVERWHELMING amount of people who abuse opiate pain pills themselves, and possibly try heroin, were never prescribed the opiates. They got them from family, friends or drug dealers. A small portion lied to a Doctor to get some. For people to understand this and still believe the pharm companies or doctors are to blame is insane. They never come in contact with the people abusing them. People lie, cheat and steal to get this stuff but somehow the source of the pills is too blame???? Even the people who get them prescribed to them are going completely off the rails by using them for a high instead of the intended use. I do believe doctors should monitor these things, but I can tell you as a former abuser that there is no system that could be put in place that will stop a drug addict from getting drugs. Once again, common sense regulation should prevail, but to blame ANYONE except the abusers further hinders the real issues.Originally posted by gauchojake
The only way to help the drug problem is try to attack the desire of people to escape reality. Trying to eradicate the drugs is ass backwards and has never worked at all. If nobody wants heroin there will be no more heroin because nobody would waste time trying to sell a product nobody wants. The real reason for the heroin epidemic among young people is far less complicated. Obviously the desire is there. But heroin used to be hard to get and could only be injected or smoked. Those 2 things require a certain amount of time, planning and privacy. It also was not cheap. Now it is snortable and dirt cheap. Convenience and cost are the 2 biggest factors to young people and drug use. So when the world's most powerful, destructive and addictive drug fits those parameters, look out.
Remember, over 90% of people who are prescribed opiate meds never have any issue and never let others use their pills. The problem with drug abuse is that the real reasons behind it are very rarely talked. Things like parenting, personal choice, communication, self esteem, self respect and its ok to make mistakes are far to personal and difficult to address. So people blame things that don't threaten them, like doctors and pharm companies. It doesn't mean those people can't improve their approach, but it is way down the line of things that need to be changed.
Rehabs have a less than 5% success rate, long term, and even less for heroin addiction. They really do nothing. I went to one a long time ago. It helped but I quit because I had just had it and wouldn't have lasted much longer. 90 + % of the people there wuth me were court ordered or their family, employers forced them in. None of them made it. Many are dead. People would rather have a 28 day rehab stay than do 2-4 in jail. They just play the game and start right up upon leaving. Even people who go in themselves don't have very good odds. Drug treatment is a big money grab scam. Far more people quit on their own. Not the answer.
It sounds horrible to say, but once the chemicals start being used as an escape mechanism, you are playing with fire. The best way to stop drug abuse is to never start. Parenting is the key. Kids that have communication and self worth tend to do well. Not always, but it is the best drug prevention possible. Once it starts for someone it becomes a crap shoot as to who quits and who dies.Comment -
I assume you meant making all guns illegalOriginally posted by Chi_archie
There was an article in the Chicago sun times yesterday saying democrats want no guns at all but don't have the courage to say it. I won't post it, point of this thread was to educate not to post propaganda. When you look at recent proposed policy to ban an AR, which is no different from any other gun, so whats the point. They are trying for small wins, in politics you can't take the entire pie you can only take a slice. As Obamacare was just a lead up to the ultimate goal single payer, a form of socialism. Now maybe your a moderate liberal, however I live close to Philly and know many hard far leftist and they want all guns to be banned, get rid of the 2nd amendmentComment -
Problem is the addicts always steal from loved ones to buy the drugs.Originally posted by PAULYPOKERComment -
Since you know so many leftist that want guns and the 2nd amendment abolished, it should be pretty easy for you to list a couple??? Maybe one?Originally posted by MJFtheGenius
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JJGOLD, SE Cupp chicago sun times, Phoebe Maltz Bovy (new republic.com), John Donahue CNN, Thom Hartman (RT The Big picture), Scott Martelle (LA times), Chris Mathews (MSLSD), Rachal Maddow (mslsd), Keith Olberman (GQ)Originally posted by Mac4LyfeSince you know so many leftist that want guns and the 2nd amendment abolished, it should be pretty easy for you to list a couple??? Maybe one?
I thought it be better to name these because its documented online verse what my buddy John Smith said over in Philly, I could keep going all night.Comment
