Guys would you let in Syrian refugees?

[KingJD31]

I could be going out on a limb here but I believe they kill you if you don't believe in sharia law and have no secret agenda, seems pretty fuckin clear to me 👳

[Kermit]

[The Kraken]

Flash Points

Sunni-Shia tensions contribute to multiple flash points in Muslim countries that are viewed as growing threats to international peace and security. The following arouse the most concern among regional specialists:




Rising Militancy

Notable concern about the role of sectarian violence increased in 2013. Extremists were “fueled by sectarian motivations” in Syria, Lebanon, and Pakistan, according to the U.S. State Department. After years of steady losses for al-Qaeda–linked groups, Sunni extremist recruitment is rising, aided by private funding networks in the Gulf, particularly in Kuwait, with much of the violence directed at other Muslims rather than Western targets. Shia militants are also gaining strength, in part to confront the threat of Sunni extremism, miring many Muslim communities in a vicious cycle of sectarian violence.
U.S. officials such as FBI director James B. Comey have warned that the war in Syria, which attracted thousands of fighters from Europe and the United States, poses a long-term threat to Western interests. The eventual outflow of these militants, battle-hardened and with Western passports, is viewed as a potential “terrorist diaspora” that could eclipse the global terror networks that emerged after the Afghan war against the Soviet Union in the 1980s.



Saudi-Iranian Rivalry

Saudi Arabia and Iran have deployed considerable resources to proxy battles, especially in Syria, where the stakes are highest. Riyadh closely monitors potential restlessness in its oil-rich eastern provinces, home to its Shia minority, and has deployed forces along with other Gulf countries to suppress a largely Shia uprising in Bahrain. It also assembled a coalition of ten Sunni-majority countries, backed by the United States, to reverse the growing influence of Houthis in Yemen. Saudi Arabia provides hundreds of millions of dollars in financial support to the predominantly Sunni rebels in Syria, while simultaneously banning cash flows to al-Qaeda and extremist jihadi groups fighting the Assad regime.
Iran has allocated billions of dollars in aid and loans to prop up Syria’s Alawi-led government, and has trained and equipped Shia militants from Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan to fight with various sectarian militias in Syria. At the same time, the widening proxy battle may also be stirring concern among leaders in Riyadh and Tehran about the consequences of escalation. The two sides have repeatedly postponed efforts to establish a dialogue for settling disputes diplomatically. Iran is fighting the Islamic State in parts of Iraq, while Saudi Arabia and other Sunni-majority countries joined a U.S.-led air campaign against the extremist group in Syria and Iraq.






Humanitarian Crisis

The ongoing civil war in Syria has displaced millions internally, and almost three million civilians, mostly Sunni, are now refugees in Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, and Turkey. The influx of more than a million Syrians into Lebanon, a state with a historically combustible religious mix that experienced its own fifteen-year civil war in the 1970s and 1980s, has burdened its cash-strapped government and pressured communities hosting refugees. Jordan and Iraq are still struggling to provide housing and services to an impoverished and traumatized population. Turkey has the greatest capacity to provide humanitarian aid, yet Ankara must increasingly balance “the public’s sympathy for and unease toward refugees,” the International Crisis Group reports.



Fractured States

Syria’s civil war, as well as Iraq’s sectarian conflict, is threatening to redraw the map of the Middle East bequeathed to the region by British and French colonial authorities. The Assad regime in Syria has consolidated control over the Mediterranean coast, the capital of Damascus, and the central city of Homs, which together comprise a rump state that connects with Hezbollah strongholds, threatening the territorial integrity of Lebanon. Other parts of the country are contested or controlled by various rebel and Islamist groups, including ISIS, which seeks to dominate the eastern regions of Syria that link to its territory in Iraq. And Kurdish groups in northern Syria, which, like their Iraqi cousins, have long campaigned for basic rights denied under the Ba'athist government, are on the verge of gaining de facto independence. Yemen, which was unified in 1990, is at risk of re-fracturing into two countries, largely along sectarian lines.
The United States spent more than one trillion dollars to stabilize Iraq, but the country remains in a precarious state. Sectarian tensions are mounting in Iraq as the newly ascendant Shia majority struggles to accommodate the Sunni minority and deal with the Kurdish Regional Government in the north of the country while confronting extremist Sunni groups. Most politicians and activists in Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon reject attempts to redraw the map of the region, but the vanishing borders and emergence of new areas of influence based on sectarian and ethnic identities are a growing existential challenge.

[The Kraken]

I would highly recommend reading up on some of the history between the Sunni and Shia Muslims before commenting on Syria or the Middle East in general.

Not to pick a side but simply to have an idea of how complex of a problem it is.

I have come to a conclusion based on what I know, and my conclusion is that the US has fukked things up enough over in the middle east, we continue to contribute to the problem and the longer we are involved in the conflict, the more damage we ultimately do.

I don't expect anyone to come to my conclusion but please read before coming to any conclusions, don't just form an opinion based on Fox or CNN.

[The Kraken]

http://www.cfr.org/peace-conflict-and-human-rights/sunni-shia-divide/p33176#!/?cid=otr-marketing_url-sunni_shia_infoguide

This is the site I copied and pasted from above, for any reference nazis

[paco]

We have not declared war on Syria nor are we actively at war with their military. Most major countries support local militias through money, weapons, info etc.... and for varying reasons, but we're not at war with Syria, not in a practical sense. I get what you're saying though


Good post Jibby and you're correct. It would be a gross oversimplification to imply that any one country is solely responsible for the origin of these extreme factions. There are political and economic factors to consider, as well as plenty of sunni/shiite history going back over a 1,000 years.

I primarily focused on America in previous posts because of our alliance to Saudi Arabia, whom I believe is most responsible for the destabilization of the ME, and our dependence upon their oil. Wikileaks showed us that the Saudis were not only financing operations to support pro-sunni tribes but also to actively undermine Shiite tribes, by financing and arming militants ie ISIS and other such groups, to kill shiites.

It's beyond complicated Jibby




When I make it back to Michigan I will gladly take you up on that offer

Also, if you have any info to add, please do. I enjoy learning

i stopped giving my input In this situation cause whatever I post someone will just say I'm a Jew hater or a terrorist sympathizer. I'm just glad that there are people out there that can see it for what it really is. It was amazing to see how many non Muslims came to protect the Arizona mosque where guy told everyone to bring there guns and wear "penetrate Islam" shirts. Weird story cause many of the anti Muslim protesters were invited into the mosque and they felt bad for everything

[MoneyLineDawg]

I would highly recommend reading up on some of the history between the Sunni and Shia Muslims before commenting on Syria or the Middle East in general.

Not to pick a side but simply to have an idea of how complex of a problem it is.

I have come to a conclusion based on what I know, and my conclusion is that the US has fukked things up enough over in the middle east, we continue to contribute to the problem and the longer we are involved in the conflict, the more damage we ultimately do.

I don't expect anyone to come to my conclusion but please read before coming to any conclusions, don't just form an opinion based on Fox or CNN.

I think most Americans would rather just pull out of all middle east problems completely

We definitely fukked things up there in the past but all we can do now is make the best decisions going forward

[eidolon]

I would highly recommend reading up on some of the history between the Sunni and Shia Muslims before commenting on Syria or the Middle East in general.

Not to pick a side but simply to have an idea of how complex of a problem it is.

I have come to a conclusion based on what I know, and my conclusion is that the US has fukked things up enough over in the middle east, we continue to contribute to the problem and the longer we are involved in the conflict, the more damage we ultimately do.

I don't expect anyone to come to my conclusion but please read before coming to any conclusions, don't just form an opinion based on Fox or CNN.

"Yemen, which was unified in 1990, is at risk of re-fracturing into two countries, largely along sectarian lines."

I thought that was pretty interesting. I think the US really needs to just back off in the middle-east, and stop backing any groups with military or finances. This is probably the only time I have ever said this in my life, but trying to talk to the leaders of the countries there and only talk, might be the best thing for everyone. It would at least open discussions and understanding of what people really want. Getting back to Yemen maybe splitting up, I really think there will be new lines drawn in many of the countries in that area in the next 5-10 years.

Like you said, this shit will never end. The changing of caliphate, who the true caliphate has been fought over since the beginning. Add in the collapse of the Ottoman empire and the World Wars, it truelly has been a desert-shit storm in the area for the last 150-200 years.

[paco]

Pic worth a thousand words

[eidolon]

Paco...do you believe Sharia law has a place in the government of a country?

[Antibet]

Both Putin and Obama look muslim to me. They are the biggest terrorist threat in the world.

[ByeShea]

Pic worth a thousand words

Pic worth jack shite.

Western civilization doesn't need immigrants that breed suicide bombers.

Got it? Good.

End of story.

[bigtymer56]

Pic worth jack shite.

Western civilization doesn't need immigrants that breed suicide bombers.

Got it? Good.

End of story.

Thats right. We've got plenty of nutjobs with guns to terrorize us already here.

[TxAaron]

Absolutely.

1) We kinda did help cause this

2) Stop with the terrorism nonsense. You people are genuinely fukking stupid. They don't need to live here to be able to do whatever damage they want to do. No legit terrorist is sitting in the Middle East saying "man, I would love to suicide bomb the shit out of the US, but I can't find a way to get over there." ISIS will get them here, they've already done it. Any one of them that really wanted to do harm would just get here through Mexico. The cartel du jour would probably even arm them and fund their trip.

3) Just be nice to them, and show them some porn for once in their lives. They will have ZERO reason to terrorize a country like that. Heaven on earth.

4) Syrian women can be SMOKING hot. Cross-breed them one time, and you're gonna have frickin pageant winners wherever they end up.

5) Think of the new cheap labor! I could hire a Syrian dude for like $4/day to be my bodyguard, tell me stories and cook some kibbeh. I'm gonna call him Rodney.

Spoken like a true Democrat.

[GIVEMETHEMONEY]

Spoken like a true Democrat.

Yep spoke like a true DEMONAZICOMMIEFUKKUPCRAPPY worthless bleeding heart idiot piece of shit!

[dante1]

I don't know if it is irony or just funny but it is always the guys usually R who claim they love this country, love the constitution, love the heritage of our country and they are the first to turn their back on the constitution and our heritage. The USA is one of the very few countries populated by mostly immigrants. Obviously the population in this country at a rate of higher than 99% originate from immigrants. That is one of the real reasons why we progressed and why we are free.

Now when some people are in desperate need of safety these same people are vehemently against them finding refuge in the land of the free. Isn't that strange. But wait they say terrorism, we must be careful. BS, first fact is we have allowed very few refugees from that part of the world because the vetting takes 18 to 24 months. Second, it is easier to get in the country as a tourist or other means why shut out refugees? No, it is because mostly you people have hard cold hearts. It is the same reason you rallied against civil rights, you fought against equal pay, your bitched and moaned about who a man/woman may love. It comes down to the same BS, you people have a mean ugly streak. Always!

[GIVEMETHEMONEY]

I don't know if it is irony or just funny but it is always the guys usually R who claim they love this country, love the constitution, love the heritage of our country and they are the first to turn their back on the constitution and our heritage. The USA is one of the very few countries populated by mostly immigrants. Obviously the population in this country at a rate of higher than 99% originate from immigrants. That is one of the real reasons why we progressed and why we are free.

Now when some people are in desperate need of safety these same people are vehemently against them finding refuge in the land of the free. Isn't that strange. But wait they say terrorism, we must be careful. BS, first fact is we have allowed very few refugees from that part of the world because the vetting takes 18 to 24 months. Second, it is easier to get in the country as a tourist or other means why shut out refugees? No, it is because mostly you people have hard cold hearts. It is the same reason you rallied against civil rights, you fought against equal pay, your bitched and moaned about who a man/woman may love. It comes down to the same BS, you people have a mean ugly streak. Always!

You just described a DEMONAZICOMMIEFUKKUPCRAPPY worthless piece of shit to a "T".

BTW G-d created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Just remember gay people you came from straight parents. Let's see the gays have a baby! They can't and they never will be able to, yet they whine and bitch all the time!!

[eidolon]

I don't know if it is irony or just funny but it is always the guys usually R who claim they love this country, love the constitution, love the heritage of our country and they are the first to turn their back on the constitution and our heritage. The USA is one of the very few countries populated by mostly immigrants. Obviously the population in this country at a rate of higher than 99% originate from immigrants. That is one of the real reasons why we progressed and why we are free.

Now when some people are in desperate need of safety these same people are vehemently against them finding refuge in the land of the free. Isn't that strange. But wait they say terrorism, we must be careful. BS, first fact is we have allowed very few refugees from that part of the world because the vetting takes 18 to 24 months. Second, it is easier to get in the country as a tourist or other means why shut out refugees? No, it is because mostly you people have hard cold hearts. It is the same reason you rallied against civil rights, you fought against equal pay, your bitched and moaned about who a man/woman may love. It comes down to the same BS, you people have a mean ugly streak. Always!

Every country in the world is made up of immigrants.
If the US was financially stable like Switzerland, I would say open the borders to all. But the fact that we cant shelter our homeless/mentally ill, I have a hard time saying "yes" to another 100 million people wanting to move to the US. (and please don't make the argument of "it's not 100 million, it's only xxxx amount of people". I'm talking about at what point do we say no)

[dante1]

Every country in the world is made up of immigrants.
If the US was financially stable like Switzerland, I would say open the borders to all. But the fact that we cant shelter our homeless/mentally ill, I have a hard time saying "yes" to another 100 million people wanting to move to the US. (and please don't make the argument of "it's not 100 million, it's only xxxx amount of people". I'm talking about at what point do we say no)

yes of course every country is made up of immigrants, but few are almost totally immigrants. that was my point.

Also open borders almost always are a plus for the economy that has been argued by many economists, immigrants bring skills and they also start businesses. but, we are not arguing immigration policy in general we are discussing the refugees from Syria who need protection something a little bit different. we should morally do our share.

[packerd_00]

Every country in the world is made up of immigrants.
If the US was financially stable like Switzerland, I would say open the borders to all. But the fact that we cant shelter our homeless/mentally ill, I have a hard time saying "yes" to another 100 million people wanting to move to the US. (and please don't make the argument of "it's not 100 million, it's only xxxx amount of people". I'm talking about at what point do we say no)

Switzerland wont take em,its up to us mugs as usual.

[GIVEMETHEMONEY]

Do not let the refugees in! Hell no, no way.

Why doesn't that hypocrite gay closet muslim ofukkup call on the other whiny ass muslim countries to take care of their own?

Why does it always have to be the United States?

Who the hell will pay for this? Our taxes of course!

[JIBBBY]

I don't know if it is irony or just funny but it is always the guys usually R who claim they love this country, love the constitution, love the heritage of our country and they are the first to turn their back on the constitution and our heritage. The USA is one of the very few countries populated by mostly immigrants. Obviously the population in this country at a rate of higher than 99% originate from immigrants. That is one of the real reasons why we progressed and why we are free.

Now when some people are in desperate need of safety these same people are vehemently against them finding refuge in the land of the free. Isn't that strange. But wait they say terrorism, we must be careful. BS, first fact is we have allowed very few refugees from that part of the world because the vetting takes 18 to 24 months. Second, it is easier to get in the country as a tourist or other means why shut out refugees? No, it is because mostly you people have hard cold hearts. It is the same reason you rallied against civil rights, you fought against equal pay, your bitched and moaned about who a man/woman may love. It comes down to the same BS, you people have a mean ugly streak. Always!

Immigrants coming into America through out our history weren't potential terrorist threats like we see today.. Even the Cuban crime wave of immigrants pouring into Florida in the 80's weren't plotting to kill as many Americans as possible... It's just that simple..

This is a different beast we are facing today and it blows my mind that even the European Countries are taking them in.. Will bite them in the ass again just like it did in Paris...

[packerd_00]

Immigrants coming into America through out our history weren't potential terrorist threats like we see today.. Even the Cuban crime wave of immigrants pouring into Florida in the 80's weren't plotting to kill as many Americans as possible... It's just that simple..

This is a different beast we are facing today and it blows my mind that even the European Countries are taking them in.. Will bite them in the ass again just like it did in Paris...

To be fair Miami was a hell hole back in the late 70's and early 80's. Castro was a real piece of shit.

[GIVEMETHEMONEY]

Immigrants coming into America through out our history weren't potential terrorist threats like we see today.. Even the Cuban crime wave of immigrants pouring into Florida in the 80's weren't plotting to kill as many Americans as possible... It's just that simple..

This is a different beast we are facing today and it blows my mind that even the European Countries are taking them in.. Will bite them in the ass again just like it did in Paris...

Thanks for straightening these fukking clowns out JIBBY.

The left only like to tell the parts they want and not the whole truth!

[paco]

https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/647853238689520/

[zizoudane10]

Do not let the refugees in! Hell no, no way.

Why doesn't that hypocrite gay closet muslim ofukkup call on the other whiny ass muslim countries to take care of their own?

Why does it always have to be the United States?

Who the hell will pay for this? Our taxes of course!

You took 1854 refugees from Syria since 2012.
1854.
Why does it always have to be the United States?
Gtfo and shut your stupid whiny mouth.
1854, poor poor USA.
You bomb Irak, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya. Now a handful people comes to your country. Yeeeeha, again, poor poor US.
Maybe if your country wouldn't have felt the need to turn Irak into complete chaos, things would be different.
Maybe assholes that complain about refugees should stop voting for parties that love to send your people to senseless stupid wars. It is a big fukkin business for your country.
1854 people from Syria, Germany alone took 92.991 since 2012. I agree wholeheartedly though, we should ship them directly to you.
Why does it always have to be the United States.... Maybe the poor United States shouldn't stick their nose into the middle east while busy making business with the real enemy. How about that???

[GIVEMETHEMONEY]

You took 1854 refugees from Syria since 2012.
1854.
Why does it always have to be the United States?
Gtfo and shut your stupid whiny mouth.
1854, poor poor USA.
You bomb Irak, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya. Now a handful people comes to your country. Yeeeeha, again, poor poor US.
Maybe if your country wouldn't have felt the need to turn Irak into complete chaos, things would be different.
Maybe assholes that complain about refugees should stop voting for parties that love to send your people to senseless stupid wars. It is a big fukkin business for your country.
1854 people from Syria, Germany alone took 92.991 since 2012. I agree wholeheartedly though, we should ship them directly to you.
Why does it always have to be the United States.... Maybe the poor United States shouldn't stick their nose into the middle east while busy making business with the real enemy. How about that???

Don't forget you stupid ass this mess was brought to you by ofukkup and Hitlary Clinton.

Now STFU! I hear mommy is calling you in for your nappy!

Oh and when did the whiny ass infidel muslims ever do anything to help their own people?

Answer - NEVER!!

[zizoudane10]

Don't forget you stupid ass this mess was brought to you by ofukkup and Hitlary Clinton.

Now STFU! I hear mommy is calling you in for your nappy!

Oh and when did the whiny ass infidel muslims ever do anything to help their own people?

Answer - NEVER!!

YES, Obama and Clinton went to Irak
GODDAMN RIGHT
Mommy is calling? Says the guy who thinks Ofuckup or demonaziblablabla is clever and/or funny. Mind of a 12 year old, congrats.
And again: poor United States. Why is it aaaalways you...

[JIBBBY]

https://www.facebook.com/ajplusengli...7853238689520/

Booohoooo.. Cry me a river!!! Whoopie...

What blows me away with immigrant foreigners like this is that if you decide to live in a foreign land you should then conform and dress accordingly to fit in or you will be single out time and time again especially in times like this.. If it walks like a Duck it usually is a Duck..

If I moved to Iraq or Syria you better believe I would grow a beard and wear those sweating greasy turbans around my head, learn the language and try to fit in.. If I dressed like an American and only spoke English I wouldn't complain to be singled out and beheaded as that is the Country I migrated too by choice..

She should lose the Muslim head dress and Muslim clothing drapes to fit in better is my best guess when targeted Countries are addressing terrorist threats more then ever now... She'll be ok.

[paco]

Booohoooo.. Cry me a river!!! Whoopie...

What blows me away with immigrant foreigners like this is that if you decide to live in a foreign land you should then conform and dress accordingly to fit in or you will be single out time and time again especially in times like this.. If it walks like a Duck it usually is a Duck..

If I moved to Iraq or Syria you better believe I would grow a beard and wear those sweating greasy turbans around my head, learn the language and try to fit in.. If I dressed like an American and only spoke English I wouldn't complain to be singled out and beheaded as that is the Country I migrated too by choice..

She should lose the Muslim head dress and Muslim clothing drapes to fit in better is my best guess when targeted Countries are addressing terrorist threats more then ever now... She'll be ok.

What the hell are u talking about? The video shows the media said she was the suicide bomber when in reality she is alive and well. Just tells u media says anything and whole public believes it. Smh u really are ignorant.

[DwightShrute]

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[GIVEMETHEMONEY]

What the hell are u talking about? The video shows the media said she was the suicide bomber when in reality she is alive and well. Just tells u media says anything and whole public believes it. Smh u really are ignorant.

We never saw video of Osama Bin Nada either.

This was mentioned in another thread and I agreed with the other poster that he was probably already dead from being bombed while in a cave.

Any lie, any method to support a DEMONAZICOMMIEFUKKCRAPPY's poll numbers!

That is what ofukkup used this for! Go back and study and you will see that it is true!

[JIBBBY]

What the hell are u talking about? The video shows the media said she was the suicide bomber when in reality she is alive and well. Just tells u media says anything and whole public believes it. Smh u really are ignorant.

Relax on the ignorant accusations as they are not warranted.. I keep it real and objective always... If that bothers you then too bad..

Ever think why she was accused of being a suicide bomber? The entire story is not told there if I had to guess.. Relax Paco..

On a side note - I am impressed with your going 4-1 NFL week to week picks.. Your gambling in the NFL appears to be very solid. I'll give you that much.....

[paco]

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[JIBBBY]

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.. Yeah it's Thanksgiving time so let's march all the poor refugees in one after another.. Great idea..

These are all peaceful desperate people that pose zero threat.. Maybe we shouldn't even screen them..