Guys would you let in Syrian refugees?

[GIVEMETHEMONEY]

No, you don't know, you think that. That's a big difference.

I've said this time and time again, if America ever chooses to drop a nuclear bomb, the best place it could be is Saudi Arabia. They have fukked over the Muslim world in the worst possible way by infusing billions of dollars in cash to guarantee that the only version of Islam that remains is one that is Anti-Western and Anti-Women and Anti-Modern. They, being the Saudis, have wiped out large populations of moderate Muslims and replaced them with ISIS and Al-Quada.

You want to talk about 9/11? 15 out of the 19 hi-jackers were Saudi's. Saudi Arabia is also known for a particular family, the Bin Ladens.

But why do you not think we go over there and bomb them?

Because we're addicted to their oil and addicts NEVER fukk with their supplier.

We are culpable in the creation of ISIS and Al-Quada, we are culpable for 9/11 because we funded it all with out money that flows directly to Saudi Arabia, yet we don't want to admit it or even think about it.

We like the clean break method better, that once we fill up our cars, we're not responsible for where that money goes or what happens as a result of where that money went. It's too much for our consciouses to bare, because after all, we do have to get to work, we have to be able to drive to Mickey D's and get that cheeseburger, I mean an Americans gotta eat after all.

So until everyone can man the fukk up and admit we are largely responsible for the mess is going on and it's directly related to our addiction to oil, then we'll continue to build walls to preserve our fukked up hypocritical way of life.

And on that note Sarah Palin was dead on correct when she said, "Drill baby, drill. Drill now."

If we had one that 10 years ago like we just recently started the fracking techniques we are using now. We would never ever need the whiny ass muslim rag head sand dwellers ever again!

[The Kraken]

Of course, when confronted with the obvious, that the problem is our addiction to oil, your retort is to "Drill baby, Drill"

And we wonder why we're in the predicament we're in

I'm done with you, you are way too simple-minded for such a complex issue. You can have the last word and it will undoubtedly be as elementary as all of your other posts.

[teaserpleaser]

Fukk it kraken let's let them in so they can prove me or you right ....lets chance it! What do we have to lose.

[teaserpleaser]

If they aren't a threat why are so many doors being closed to them? fear or Muslims right or wrong have a % of bad guys that come along with them.

[The Kraken]

Sadly doors are closed because of politics primarily.

Gotta cater to the base that will get them re-elected.

[Allure]

Well our ancestors came here as refugees on a boat. What would have happened if the Indians denied them entry? They would have ended up in Mexico and we would be speaking Spanish now.

Enough said.

Funny when a ping pong wannabe American Asian with a Western name says no.

Funny when those curry brownies in the UK or North America say no.

And the list goes on and on.

[allaboutmoney]

This kraken should be deported

[teaserpleaser]

Sadly doors are closed because of politics primarily.

Gotta cater to the base that will get them re-elected.

Politics because of fear...nobody wants to be the next Paris man lets be honest cut the bullshit nobody wants to be out having dinner or at a concert and be blown up or part of a mass shooting. What are the Good muslims doing about the bad Muslims? It's not easy to tell who is who.

[The Kraken]

This kraken should be deported

Ya, that's insightful.

Care to actually elaborate?

Give me something, anything, and I'll show you why your elementary mentality is flawed

Something, ANYTHING, please

[Mr KLC]

OK. We're going to bring these people here, and then what? Public assistance on our tax dollars? Give them jobs that millions of people in this country are complaining they can't find? Even if they get a job, one that does not pay a living wage as we here so much from the far left? What's the next objective?

You can help people out in different ways. Not to toot my own horn, but my family, and a bunch of my buddies go to the Nashville Rescue Mission every month to feed the homeless. I don't have to move them into my house to help the cause. You keep bringing up the christian thing to do in this discussion. Even the Good Samaritan did not bring the robbery victim to his house. He took him to an inn, and helped him from there.

If this commander in chief were a true leader, he would be "wise as a serpent and innocent as a dove". He always talks about this deal that he made with Iran. If he has such a great relationship with these guys, why isn't he convincing these fellow Muslims to step up, and help people of their similar beliefs? Why isn't a rich nation like Saudi Arabia doing the same thing? The majority of these refugees share a similar belief of Islamic Sharia Law. I would think that the adjustment might be easier. Why are they so afraid and resistant to help their supposed fellow brothers?

You say ISIS is exposing us as racists and xenophobes. Skin color didn't mean a thing when the Vietnamese came on boats in the late 70's and early 80's. I witnessed it first hand myself when I lived in Houston. I don't recall them all being white people when I reflect on my friends that came from there. Many Hispanics from Cuba, Central America, Mexico, etc. have come here legally, and made lives for their families. I'm pretty sure the majority of them were some shade of brown. If ISIS is exposing anyone, its the countries in the Middle East that have the means to help in that same region, but refuse to.

You can try the guilt trip option all you want to, but it isn't going to sway me. I feel comfortable in my skin. If anything, the left is guilty of not being consistent. I've always believed in the adage of keeping the horses in the barn, instead of letting them run out, and having to round them up later. A lot of things could have been done to avoid this from happening, whether it be cut ISIS down before they went from JV to Pros, make safe places for refugees in Syria or Iraq, or use this new found love with Iranian leaders to influence the Syrian government to change some of their ways, and help these people. Syria is Iran Light, and will do whatever they say. If the "non religious sect" really cared, maybe they should have been proactive, and done something where these people could have stayed in their homeland.

We don't trust our government to do the right thing when they want to put boots on the ground, but we want to actually believe that they will keep us safe by vetting people that have no documented history that we know of. If you want to buy that bill of goods, go ahead, but I've been burned too many times from both sides of the aisle. I feel for these people. I truly do, but there are other ways, and charities out there, where we can funnel our help and support.

[The Kraken]

Politics because of fear...nobody wants to be the next Paris man lets be honest cut the bullshit nobody wants to be out having dinner or at a concert and be blown up or part of a mass shooting. What are the Good muslims doing about the bad Muslims? It's not easy to tell who is who.

Exactly, people are irrationally scared that the infinitesimal is going to happen. It's flawed logic and should not be used to dictate our foreign policies. Our gov't has done everything and more to make sure we are not the next Paris, and they continue to make sure we are not the next Paris ie NSA, FBI now has offices all over the world, CIA, DHS, etc..... We have given up many liberties to try and make sure we're not the next paris

This fear we have of Muslims, this irrational fear is the same fear that the Ebola crisis was built on, it's fear built out of ignorance. We know how that worked out, but even then, "good intentioned" Americans were calling to close our borders and quarantine all the good nurses and doctors that were in Africa helping people that would have died other wise. And Americans were fine the fact those Africans would have died, as long as their wasn't a one in a billion chance that Ebola made it's way here.

But the problem was the average American calling for those policy changes did not have the first understanding about Ebola, how it's contracted or spread, nothing about differing viral loads in body fluids. Yet they had the strongest, most un-informed opinions.

It's the same people shouting again to close our borders.

It's the same people that want to build a wall from Texas to Cali.

It's the same people Teaser, and they constant is that they're always uneducated about they subject. They simply want to isolate white America.

[The Kraken]

OK. We're going to bring these people here, and then what? Public assistance on our tax dollars? Give them jobs that millions of people in this country are complaining they can't find? Even if they get a job, one that does not pay a living wage as we here so much from the far left? What's the next objective?

You can help people out in different ways. Not to toot my own horn, but my family, and a bunch of my buddies go to the Nashville Rescue Mission every month to feed the homeless. I don't have to move them into my house to help the cause. You keep bringing up the christian thing to do in this discussion. Even the Good Samaritan did not bring the robbery victim to his house. He took him to an inn, and helped him from there.

If this commander in chief were a true leader, he would be "wise as a serpent and innocent as a dove". He always talks about this deal that he made with Iran. If he has such a great relationship with these guys, why isn't he convincing these fellow Muslims to step up, and help people of their similar beliefs? Why isn't a rich nation like Saudi Arabia doing the same thing? The majority of these refugees share a similar belief of Islamic Sharia Law. I would think that the adjustment might be easier. Why are they so afraid and resistant to help their supposed fellow brothers?

You say ISIS is exposing us as racists and xenophobes. Skin color didn't mean a thing when the Vietnamese came on boats in the late 70's and early 80's. I witnessed it first hand myself when I lived in Houston. I don't recall them all being white people when I reflect on my friends that came from there. Many Hispanics from Cuba, Central America, Mexico, etc. have come here legally, and made lives for their families. I'm pretty sure the majority of them were some shade of brown. If ISIS is exposing anyone, its the countries in the Middle East that have the means to help in that same region, but refuse to.

You can try the guilt trip option all you want to, but it isn't going to sway me. I feel comfortable in my skin. If anything, the left is guilty of not being consistent. I've always believed in the adage of keeping the horses in the barn, instead of letting them run out, and having to round them up later. A lot of things could have been done to avoid this from happening, whether it be cut ISIS down before they went from JV to Pros, make safe places for refugees in Syria or Iraq, or use this new found love with Iranian leaders to influence the Syrian government to change some of their ways, and help these people. Syria is Iran Light, and will do whatever they say. If the "non religious sect" really cared, maybe they should have been proactive, and done something where these people could have stayed in their homeland.

We don't trust our government to do the right thing when they want to put boots on the ground, but we want to actually believe that they will keep us safe by vetting people that have no documented history that we know of. If you want to buy that bill of goods, go ahead, but I've been burned too many times from both sides of the aisle. I feel for these people. I truly do, but there are other ways, and charities out there, where we can funnel our help and support.

Thanks for the response, I think we're just gonna agree to disagree. Neither of us are changing our stances and the discussion will become circular beyond this.

I wish you well KLC

[allaboutmoney]

Not one Syrian refugee should be allowed in and most existing Muslims and mosques in America should be under surveillance. Anyone who doesn't understand why we should do these things is a MORON. In fact anybody who supports Obama in any way is a MORON

[Mr KLC]

Thanks for the response, I think we're just gonna agree to disagree. Neither of us are changing our stances and the discussion will become circular beyond this.

I wish you well KLC

Same to you, brother. I love a good debate.

"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people."

[allaboutmoney]

Kraken should be sent to ISIS land!

[GIVEMETHEMONEY]

Same to you, brother. I love a good debate.

"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people."

Number one Kraken this goon boy called ofukkup is not a true leader. He is a egotistical me, me, me I, I, I gay, closet whiny ass muslim.

I will again agree with Mr. KLC. We do not need to take in any more refugees. ofukkup already flooded us with refugees with the wave from down south if you have forgotten already so they can make them citizens so they can vote for the DEMONAZICOMMIEFUKKUPCRAPPY worthless piece of shit party.

Oh you forgot to mention that part didn't you Kraken? We already have a ton of illegal so called refugees from the south here already.

No, no more refugees. Let their wealthy whiny ass Saudi whiny ass muslim brother take care of them!

[ByeShea]

Could you imagine Obama smoking a cigarette, fresh off a bender, riding a mini pony shirtless?

You obviously can - to the surprise of no one.

[Allure]

A few years back Obama was celebrated as the world's saviour and now "whoever supports Obama is a moron".

[allaboutmoney]

Faggotz like kraken are why America is going to hell! Fuk you kraken!

[rkelly110]

Not one Syrian refugee should be allowed in and most existing Muslims and mosques in America should be under surveillance. Anyone who doesn't understand why we should do these things is a MORON. In fact anybody who supports Obama in any way is a MORON

Hmmm, I believe we have a ghost. Either that or someone in the same grade as another poster in here.

[The Kraken]

Faggotz like kraken are why America is going to hell! Fuk you kraken!

It's just a feeling pal, it'll pass

[The Kraken]

Hmmm, I believe we have a ghost. Either that or someone in the same grade as another poster in here.

My thoughts exactly, I just let it slide though. I swear they're both posting from 8th grade gym class

[eidolon]

The reason Obama feels obligated to bring all these refugees over here, is because he is responsible for the Civil war that is going on in Syria. Bashar al-Assad had only one enemy: ISIL. Then Obama decided, for I really don't know why, that he needed to stick up for some of the citizens that are being treating badly. So Obama started giving hundred of millions of dollars to Syrian rebels to fight back against Bashar al-Assad. During this time (last few years) there has been 250,000-300,000 people killed, and some report that almost half the nation is homeless. The group of rebels he is financially backing keeps having problems with the leadership, and there is a new leader every 6 months or so. Also, almost all the countries in that area, as well as Russia and China, were happy to hear Bashar al-Assad was reelected again in 2014. Russia continues to financially back Bashar al-Assad, so really we are in a war against Russia, but it is really a financial war and we aren't using our own military.

This fight in Syria is no where close to ending, and since we are at war in Syria, by Article 3 Section 3 of the Constitution it would be treasonist to aid and comfort people from that area.

[The Kraken]

The reason Obama feels obligated to bring all these refugees over here, is because he is responsible for the Civil war that is going on in Syria. Bashar al-Assad had only one enemy: ISIL. Then Obama decided, for I really don't know why, that he needed to stick up for some of the citizens that are being treating badly. So Obama started giving hundred of millions of dollars to Syrian rebels to fight back against Bashar al-Assad. During this time (last few years) there has been 250,000-300,000 people killed, and some report that almost half the nation is homeless. The group of rebels he is financially backing keeps having problems with the leadership, and there is a new leader every 6 months or so. Also, almost all the countries in that area, as well as Russia and China, were happy to hear Bashar al-Assad was reelected again in 2014. Russia continues to financially back Bashar al-Assad, so really we are in a war against Russia, but it is really a financial war and we aren't using our own military.

This fight in Syria is no where close to ending, and since we are at war in Syria, by Article 3 Section 3 of the Constitution it would be treasonist to aid and comfort people from that area.

We're at war with Syria? I think someone should probably inform our military, and theirs, because there hasn't been any warring yet between our military and theirs, just us bombing ISIS, and Russia bombing ISIS, and France bombing ISIL.

Could be the most boring war ever

[eidolon]

We're at war with Syria? I think someone should probably inform our military, and theirs, because there hasn't been any warring yet between our military and theirs, just us bombing ISIS, and Russia bombing ISIS, and France bombing ISIL.

Could be the most boring war ever

Our financial backing of the rebels in Syria puts us at war with the government and leaders of Syria.

[pavyracer]

Are financial backing of the rebels in Syria puts us at war with the government and leaders of Syria.

Syria doesn't mind US arming rebels. Putin needs targets for his strategic bombers and cruise missiles.

[ByeShea]

A few years back Obama was celebrated as the world's saviour and now "whoever supports Obama is a moron".

Only true dipshits celebrated Obama.

[zizoudane10]

No, you don't know, you think that. That's a big difference.

I've said this time and time again, if America ever chooses to drop a nuclear bomb, the best place it could be is Saudi Arabia. They have fukked over the Muslim world in the worst possible way by infusing billions of dollars in cash to guarantee that the only version of Islam that remains is one that is Anti-Western and Anti-Women and Anti-Modern. They, being the Saudis, have wiped out large populations of moderate Muslims and replaced them with ISIS and Al-Quada.

You want to talk about 9/11? 15 out of the 19 hi-jackers were Saudi's. Saudi Arabia is also known for a particular family, the Bin Ladens.

But why do you think we don't go over there and bomb them?

Because we're addicted to their oil and addicts NEVER fukk with their supplier.

We are culpable in the creation of ISIS and Al-Quada, we are culpable for 9/11 because we funded it all with out money that flows directly to Saudi Arabia, yet we don't want to admit it or even think about it.

We like the clean break method better, that once we fill up our cars, we're not responsible for where that money goes or what happens as a result of where that money went. It's too much for our conscious to bare, because after all, we do have to get to work, we have to be able to drive to Mickey D's and get that cheeseburger, I mean an Americans gotta eat after all.

So until everyone can man the fukk up and admit we are largely responsible for the mess is going on and it's directly related to our addiction to oil, then we'll continue to build walls to preserve our fukked up hypocritical way of life. We're fighting the wrong people, the wrong battles because we don't want to look in the mirror and admit we're the problem.

[JIBBBY]

Wrong Kraken as you can't blame the United States entirely for the uprising of ISIS and AL Quada's terrorists groups if you go years back^^^ How do you think these Terrorist groups first gained their arsenal of weapons? The AK-47's that you see the terrorists armed with these days were manufactured where?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

Sure America is invested with oil interests and that is a damn shame which has influenced our political posturing for sure in the Middle East..Can't deny that..

Just for the record though Russia has been in bed with the Arab militant groups since the 1970s, supplied them with intelligence and satellite intel since 1973. Russia has supplied Iran, Syria and Hizbollah with an enormous modern arsenal, including its best anti-tank missiles.

Russia has blocked UN sanctions to stop the Mullahs from building their bombs, and defending the bomb manufacturing facilities with state-of-the-art air defenses, which may possibly be good enough to take down Israel's second cruise missiles.


America has been protecting and supporting Israels cause of right to sovereignty in the middle East and that alone makes us the enemy in the end with the Islamic radical thinking terrorists groups. It was only a matter of time.. Now Russia is dealing with it's own back lash also..

This is why we see Obama talking with Putin and trying to find a common ground interests in order to defeat the common enemy recently..

[paco]

Kracken, I would like to take u out to dinner if you are ever in Michigan

[GIVEMETHEMONEY]

Wrong Kraken as you can't blame the United States entirely for the uprising of ISIS and AL Quada's terrorists groups if you go years back^^^ How do you think these Terrorist groups first gained their arsenal of weapons? The AK-47's that you see the terrorists armed with these days were manufactured where?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

Sure America is invested with oil interests and that is a damn shame which has influenced our political posturing for sure in the Middle East..Can't deny that..

Just for the record though Russia has been in bed with the Arab militant groups since the 1970s, supplied them with intelligence and satellite intel since 1973. Russia has supplied Iran, Syria and Hizbollah with an enormous modern arsenal, including its best anti-tank missiles.

Russia has blocked UN sanctions to stop the Mullahs from building their bombs, and defending the bomb manufacturing facilities with state-of-the-art air defenses, which may possibly be good enough to take down Israel's second cruise missiles.


America has been protecting and supporting Israels cause of right to sovereignty in the middle East and that alone makes us the enemy in the end with the Islamic radical thinking terrorists groups. It was only a matter of time.. Now Russia is dealing with it's own back lash also..

This is why we see Obama talking with Putin and trying to find a common ground interests in order to defeat the common enemy recently..

Thanks again for nailing Kraken Jibby.

He is a one sided show his way or no way!!

Ofukkup is making deals with Putin behind our backs just like he was the pussy he really is on the Iran deals where he bent over and let the Shah rape him. I think he probably enjoyed that part though in reality!

[d2bets]

All this hysteria and changing course on Syrian refugees and targeting muslims is exactly the reaction that the terrorists were looking for. All these morons playing right into their hands and letting the terrorists dictate policy. Fukkin pussies and idiots.

[GIVEMETHEMONEY]

All this hysteria and changing course on Syrian refugees and targeting muslims is exactly the reaction that the terrorists were looking for. All these morons playing right into their hands and letting the terrorists dictate policy. Fukkin pussies and idiots.

Partially true, but I still do not trust any of the fukkers.

Do you know what they teach their little Palestinian born worthless piece of shit muslim kids? They teach them to kill the Jewish people.

You guys had better wake up. They want to take out the West.

[The Kraken]

Are financial backing of the rebels in Syria puts us at war with the government and leaders of Syria.

We have not declared war on Syria nor are we actively at war with their military. Most major countries support local militias through money, weapons, info etc.... and for varying reasons, but we're not at war with Syria, not in a practical sense. I get what you're saying though

Wrong Kraken as you can't blame the United States entirely for the uprising of ISIS and AL Quada's terrorists groups if you go years back^^^ How do you think these Terrorist groups first gained their arsenal of weapons? The AK-47's that you see the terrorists armed with these days were manufactured where?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

Sure America is invested with oil interests and that is a damn shame which has influenced our political posturing for sure in the Middle East..Can't deny that..

Just for the record though Russia has been in bed with the Arab militant groups since the 1970s, supplied them with intelligence and satellite intel since 1973. Russia has supplied Iran, Syria and Hizbollah with an enormous modern arsenal, including its best anti-tank missiles.

Russia has blocked UN sanctions to stop the Mullahs from building their bombs, and defending the bomb manufacturing facilities with state-of-the-art air defenses, which may possibly be good enough to take down Israel's second cruise missiles.


America has been protecting and supporting Israels cause of right to sovereignty in the middle East and that alone makes us the enemy in the end with the Islamic radical thinking terrorists groups. It was only a matter of time.. Now Russia is dealing with it's own back lash also..

This is why we see Obama talking with Putin and trying to find a common ground interests in order to defeat the common enemy recently..

Good post Jibby and you're correct. It would be a gross oversimplification to imply that any one country is solely responsible for the origin of these extreme factions. There are political and economic factors to consider, as well as plenty of sunni/shiite history going back over a 1,000 years.

I primarily focused on America in previous posts because of our alliance to Saudi Arabia, whom I believe is most responsible for the destabilization of the ME, and our dependence upon their oil. Wikileaks showed us that the Saudis were not only financing operations to support pro-sunni tribes but also to actively undermine Shiite tribes, by financing and arming militants ie ISIS and other such groups, to kill shiites.

It's beyond complicated Jibby

Kracken, I would like to take u out to dinner if you are ever in Michigan

When I make it back to Michigan I will gladly take you up on that offer

Also, if you have any info to add, please do. I enjoy learning

[KingJD31]

You're in isis?

All this hysteria and changing course on Syrian refugees and targeting muslims is exactly the reaction that the terrorists were looking for. All these morons playing right into their hands and letting the terrorists dictate policy. Fukkin pussies and idiots.