Official Bernie Sanders for President 2016 thread

[PittsburghPlayer]

Trump will destroy Sanders if they are the last 2.
Trump will face Hillary and he will kill her also.

Trump should plow her fat ass first .............................and I MEAN BALLZ DEEP

FIRST STROKE..............., then kill her.

[DABOOK]

It's not leveling the field, it is tilting it.

1. What is the proper % for the wealthy to own? How do we know when they own too little? How much of that is because the government encourages borrowing, which puts massive debts on the backs of the non rich? Show a stat that shows income equality going hand in hand with opportunity. People are equally poor in communist countries and they probably will stay there.
2.Again, show me a source to back that up.
3. What defines the top? It's quite possible that the middle here is higher than the top in other countries.
4. Define poverty. Have you seen a list of things "impoverished" people in America have? How many have cable TV, a PC with internet access, smart phones, big screen TVs, etc?
5. Why? because we attach our healthcare to employment, and we don't ration healthcare. If you can pay for it, you get it quick.
6. You're using a static model. Capital gains aren't guaranteed income, as liberals like to say when trying to stop privatizing Social Security, it's a "risky gamble".
7. That sentence doesn't make any sense.
8. You don't think many of those "well off" people came from difficult backgrounds.

Here's the problem, we've already moved to the left. We're more regulated now than any time in our history. Government spending is higher than ever before, yet you're complaining that things are getting worse and worse.

Maybe you should argue with the nobel prize winner that penned it originally. You probably would too. LOL. I tend to put value in the articles they author. You disagree with the majority of it. Im smart enough to know that you are too FAR GONE to be brought back and will not continue pound at you. Good luck with your million$$$$$ Bernies only going to take some. You will be fine. Im sure your accountant will find new loopholes for you.

[guitarjosh]

7.While economic forces cause gaps between rich and poor , public policy on taxation , the minimum wage , health care , and education are more responsible.
Makes perfect sense. Taxation , minimum wage , health care , and education are resonsible for the ever growing gap between rich and poor.

I don't know what it is with liberals and obsessing over income inequality. What really matters is standard of living. When Boris Yeltsin visited a grocery store in suburban Houston in the late 80s, it didn't solidify his faith in communism when he saw that the rich drink $500 bottles of wine and the poor drink their wine from a box, it shattered his faith in communism when he realized our poor had food that Gorbachev didn't have access too.
"When I saw those shelves crammed with hundreds, thousands of cans, cartons and goods of every possible sort, for the first time I felt quite frankly sick with despair for the Soviet people,” Yeltsin wrote. “That such a potentially super-rich country as ours has been brought to a state of such poverty! It is terrible to think of it."

Minimum wage can't raise people out of poverty anymore than setting a minimum price for cars can negate the need for auto bailouts. Higher taxes drives production overseas, healthcare and education is a mess because of too much government involvement. Keep going that direction and we'll only have a handful of poorly run conglomerates.

[guitarjosh]

Maybe you should argue with the nobel prize winner that penned it originally. You probably would too. LOL. I tend to put value in the articles they author. You disagree with the majority of it. Im smart enough to know that you are too FAR GONE to be brought back and will not continue pound at you. Good luck with your million$$$$$ Bernies only going to take some. You will be fine. Im sure your accountant will find new loopholes for you.

I'm not saying he's wrong on everything, but one thing I've learned about liberals, the stuff they say is very carefully crafted to conceal the truth.

You know I'm far too gone, but can't even explain why, just avoid the points I've made and use logical fallacies.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html

[jtoler]

[Jayvegas420]

all of it. I never said billionaires should pay nothing. Where do you get this nonsense? Government needs to stop wasting money before they earn the right to ask anyone to pay more. Only a fool would support more taxes for government to waste.

Don't be going all acoochy on us now.

Thats complete bull. The spending of your taxes is not an earned right. Everyone's taxes are misspent. By both dems and Republicans. You don't earn the right to complain just because the party you voted for lost.

Why is it always a dem/Repub thing with you. Why can't you smarten up and look at it as a rich/poor thing?

Why do you care if taxes on the wealthy are raised?
How could you possibly have a financially vested interest in a billionaire's tax rate?

[Jayvegas420]

I'm not saying he's wrong on everything, but one thing I've learned about liberals, the stuff they say is very carefully crafted to conceal the truth.

You know I'm far too gone, but can't even explain why, just avoid the points I've made and use logical fallacies.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...authority.html

Yet, you haven't learned this about Republicans?
Odd.

[Jayvegas420]

I don't know what it is with liberals and obsessing over income inequality. What really matters is standard of living. When Boris Yeltsin visited a grocery store in suburban Houston in the late 80s, it didn't solidify his faith in communism when he saw that the rich drink $500 bottles of wine and the poor drink their wine from a box, it shattered his faith in communism when he realized our poor had food that Gorbachev didn't have access too.
"When I saw those shelves crammed with hundreds, thousands of cans, cartons and goods of every possible sort, for the first time I felt quite frankly sick with despair for the Soviet people,” Yeltsin wrote. “That such a potentially super-rich country as ours has been brought to a state of such poverty! It is terrible to think of it."

Minimum wage can't raise people out of poverty anymore than setting a minimum price for cars can negate the need for auto bailouts. Higher taxes drives production overseas, healthcare and education is a mess because of too much government involvement. Keep going that direction and we'll only have a handful of poorly run conglomerates.

You're taking one thing and calling it another.
Communism has nothing to do with how the political system is directly affected /corrupted by special interests and lobbiests.

[brooks85]

Thats complete bull. The spending of your taxes is not an earned right. Everyone's taxes are misspent. By both dems and Republicans. You don't earn the right to complain just because the party you voted for lost.

Why is it always a dem/Repub thing with you. Why can't you smarten up and look at it as a rich/poor thing?

Why do you care if taxes on the wealthy are raised?
How could you possibly have a financially vested interest in a billionaire's tax rate?

lol again can't even call you stupid but wow... haha

some people choose education and some don't.

[newguy]

Thats complete bull. The spending of your taxes is not an earned right. Everyone's taxes are misspent. By both dems and Republicans. You don't earn the right to complain just because the party you voted for lost.

Why is it always a dem/Repub thing with you. Why can't you smarten up and look at it as a rich/poor thing?

Why do you care if taxes on the wealthy are raised?
How could you possibly have a financially vested interest in a billionaire's tax rate?

What is an ideal tax structure? Assume its tiered like we have now - so what should billionaire pay? What should someone making $1m/yr pay? $500k? $250k? $100k? $75k? $50k?

Just generally - what is a tax system that you believe to be fair?

I am not looking for argument - just a discussion on this topic.

[DwightShrute]

PsychoShruter supreme leader says keep up the good work...

Your UNQESTIONING loyalty has been noted by the regime and commendation shall be given for your efforts in quashing freedom of expression

you are as smart as you are good looking.

[rkelly110]

What is an ideal tax structure? Assume its tiered like we have now - so what should billionaire pay? What should someone making $1m/yr pay? $500k? $250k? $100k? $75k? $50k?

Just generally - what is a tax system that you believe to be fair?

I am not looking for argument - just a discussion on this topic.

Why should anyone pay taxes is my question. I mean they can print billions a month to prop up the markets,
why can't they print up enough to pay for what we pay in taxes? There's nothing to back up our money, but
ink and paper.

[DwightShrute]

Thats complete bull. The spending of your taxes is not an earned right. Everyone's taxes are misspent. By both dems and Republicans. You don't earn the right to complain just because the party you voted for lost.

Why is it always a dem/Repub thing with you. Why can't you smarten up and look at it as a rich/poor thing?

Why do you care if taxes on the wealthy are raised?
How could you possibly have a financially vested interest in a billionaire's tax rate?

see here's the problem. You will defend an entity that works for the people it represents and has squandered 21 trillion of their money. I am not defending the rich but on principle I am defending every citizen whose money is being wasted. Nevermind that the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes already and even if you taxed them 100%, you wouldn't eliminate the debt.

You need more taxpayers with better paying jobs paying taxes and less people living off the government. That includes a simplified tax code (which includes closing loopholes for corporations who earn billions and pay little to no taxes and lowering the corporate tax rate).

I will say it again, only a fool would support raising taxes on anyone knowing full well its going to be wasted.

[khicks26]

If the GOP and Trump are smart and can hold the line on the next SC judge, Trump can win. I'm betting the economy will be crap by the fall, which will play well into the hands of a billionaire.

I think your right. If the house of cards falls & its Trump & Hillary. Trump will win. If Sanders makes it I think it still could go either way. But I would lean Trump.

[DwightShrute]

[newguy]

Saw funny one the other day - cant remember if it was on here. Same pose but the meme said something along the lines of "why are there only two teams that play in the super bowl when they all work just as hard all year long. When I am president all 32 will play in the superbowl every year"

[newguy]

Why should anyone pay taxes is my question. I mean they can print billions a month to prop up the markets,
why can't they print up enough to pay for what we pay in taxes? There's nothing to back up our money, but
ink and paper.

and the faith of the people using the money.

[Jayvegas420]

lol again can't even call you stupid but wow... haha

some people choose education and some don't.

Good response. Even better edit.

[Jayvegas420]

see here's the problem. You will defend an entity that works for the people it represents and has squandered 21 trillion of their money. I am not defending the rich but on principle I am defending every citizen whose money is being wasted. Nevermind that the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes already and even if you taxed them 100%, you wouldn't eliminate the debt.

You need more taxpayers with better paying jobs paying taxes and less people living off the government. That includes a simplified tax code (which includes closing loopholes for corporations who earn billions and pay little to no taxes and lowering the corporate tax rate).

I will say it again, only a fool would support raising taxes on anyone knowing full well its going to be wasted.

I'm confused dwight, if corporations pay little to no taxes how the hell can they be responsible for 70% of the taxes? Is it any wonder I don't understand half the shit that you type?
I think you're well aware but that statement is false and inaccurate.
If billionaires are taxed at a high rate like 70% or 80% they are still left with multiple millions. Sadly the brunt of the tax burden is absorbed by the other 99% who make thousands and are taxed thousands.
You still never answered my question, why should it bother a middle-class blue colored worker when a billionaire is taxed at an exorbitant rate?

[guitarjosh]

You're taking one thing and calling it another.
Communism has nothing to do with how the political system is directly affected /corrupted by special interests and lobbiests.

I think you missed my point, I wasn't trying to compare Yeltsin to Sanders, but point out that quality of life is more important than wealth inequality. When the poor in America had access to food that Gorbachev, one of the most powerful men in the world at the time, didn't have access too, that says something about their quality of life, despite wealth inequality in America.

[DwightShrute]

I'm confused dwight, if corporations pay little to no taxes how the hell can they be responsible for 70% of the taxes? Is it any wonder I don't understand half the shit that you type?
I think you're well aware but that statement is false and inaccurate.
If billionaires are taxed at a high rate like 70% or 80% they are still left with multiple millions. Sadly the brunt of the tax burden is absorbed by the other 99% who make thousands and are taxed thousands.
You still never answered my question, why should it bother a middle-class blue colored worker when a billionaire is taxed at an exorbitant rate?

WFT are you talking about? Are you fukking high? That first sentence is disturbing by itself, but at least begins to explain some of the complete nonsense you type on the subject of taxes and where the public school system has obviously failed you miserably.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+top+10%25+pay+70%25+of+all+taxes

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ge+paid+no+taxes

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=taxing+the+rich+100%25+won%27t+solve+economic+woes

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=examples+of+us+government+wasteful+spending

[jtoler]

Why should anyone pay taxes is my question. I mean they can print billions a month to prop up the markets,
why can't they print up enough to pay for what we pay in taxes? There's nothing to back up our money, but
ink and paper.

Because its all a game.

[MoeSedway]

I'm confused dwight, if corporations pay little to no taxes how the hell can they be responsible for 70% of the taxes? Is it any wonder I don't understand half the shit that you type?
I think you're well aware but that statement is false and inaccurate.
If billionaires are taxed at a high rate like 70% or 80% they are still left with multiple millions. Sadly the brunt of the tax burden is absorbed by the other 99% who make thousands and are taxed thousands.
You still never answered my question, why should it bother a middle-class blue colored worker when a billionaire is taxed at an exorbitant rate?

[unde0087]

Under Bernie spending will go up 18 trillion dollars in the next 10 years to fund everything. People who think that he is coming up with that money purely by taxing the rich are fukin stupid. IT CAN'T HAPPEN, the people that will get bent over is the middle class. I find it funny when middle class people that are bitching about taxes now turn around and call for Bernie to be President because he is going to end up taking another 15% more than you already give the government.

[newguy]

Under Bernie spending will go up 18 trillion dollars in the next 10 years to fund everything. People who think that he is coming up with that money purely by taxing the rich are fukin stupid. IT CAN'T HAPPEN, the people that will get bent over is the middle class. I find it funny when middle class people that are bitching about taxes now turn around and call for Bernie to be President because he is going to end up taking another 15% more than you already give the government.

He has laid out his plan pretty well on his website. He says exactly how he plans to pay for it all. Whether he can do it or not he has studies that talk about it all. Essentially he is going to tax the stock market pretty substantially, hit inheritances hard for high net worth people, and lifting some trade agreements.

They will never get through congress even if elected like most of the policies of the presidential candidates.

[rkelly110]

He has laid out his plan pretty well on his website. He says exactly how he plans to pay for it all. Whether he can do it or not he has studies that talk about it all. Essentially he is going to tax the stock market pretty substantially, hit inheritances hard for high net worth people, and lifting some trade agreements.

They will never get through congress even if elected like most of the policies of the presidential candidates.

My point exactly. If they were in line at the grocery store and were offered paper or plastic, they would be fighting
over that. Doesn't matter if there's a D or an R Pres, they will still be obstructive morons.

[scumbag]

Under Bernie spending will go up 18 trillion dollars in the next 10 years to fund everything. People who think that he is coming up with that money purely by taxing the rich are fukin stupid. IT CAN'T HAPPEN, the people that will get bent over is the middle class. I find it funny when middle class people that are bitching about taxes now turn around and call for Bernie to be President because he is going to end up taking another 15% more than you already give the government.

hey dipshit, did you know that we already are going to spend 20 trillion just on health care in the next 10 years?

or that every bill bernie proposes, he pays for. example:

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Plan	Cost	Funding	Revenue
Rebuild America Act	$1 trillion / 5 years	Taxing corporate offshore income [Congressional Research Service, 1/15/15]	$1 trillion / 10 years
College for All	$75 billion / year	Wall Street speculation tax [Political Economy Research Institute, University of Massachusetts-Amherst, 3/2/12]	About $300 billion / year
Social Security Expansion Act	$1.2 trillion / 10 years	Remove payroll tax cap for earnings above $250,000 [Office of the Chief Actuary, Social Security Administration, 3/26/15]	$1.2 trillion / 10 years
Employ Young Americans Now Act	$5.5 billion / 2 years	Closing carried interest loophole [Joint Committee on Taxation, 9/16/15]	$15.6 billion / 10 years
Offer 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave		Additional 0.2% Payroll Tax [Office of Senator Kirsten Gillibrand]	$319 billion / 10 years
Keep Our Pension Promises Act	$29 billion / 10 years	Closing tax loopholes on estate taxes and artwork [Pension Rights Center, 7/7/15]	$29 billion / 10 years
Responsible Estate Tax Act		Progressive estate tax on inheritances over $3.5 million; closes estate tax loopholes.	$214 billion /10 years
End Polluter Welfare Act	$110 billion /10 years	Ends tax breaks and subsidies for fossil fuel companies	$135 billion /10 years
Medicare for All Health Care Plan	$1.38 trillion / year	Paid for by a 6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers, a 2.2 percent income-based premium paid by households, progressive income tax rates, taxing capital gains and dividends the same as income from work, limiting tax deductions for the rich, adjusting the estate tax, and savings from health tax expenditures.	$1.39 trillion / year

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https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

[brooks85]

Good response. Even better edit.

thank ya sir

glad we found what works for us. Before, I actually thought you meant the illogical stuff you were saying but now that I know you admitted you're an idiot it all makes sense now.

"spending of your taxes is not an earned right."


lol that is too funny when you consider logic or just open a history book, I can't find A LOT of people who disagreed with those sentiments enough to kill.

[scumbag]

WFT are you talking about? Are you fukking high? That first sentence is disturbing by itself, but at least begins to explain some of the complete nonsense you type on the subject of taxes and where the public school system has obviously failed you miserably.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+top+10%25+pay+70%25+of+all+taxes

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ge+paid+no+taxes

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=taxing+the+rich+100%25+won%27t+solve+economic+woes

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=examples+of+us+...teful+spending

moron, everyone knows that the largest and most profitable corporations not only don't pay taxes, they have a negative rate (meaning they get money back from the treasury).

everyone knows that in the 1950's corp america accounted for 1/3rd of all revenues. today it's less that 1/10.

[brooks85]

hey dipshit, did you know that we already are going to spend 20 trillion just on health care in the next 10 years?

or that every bill bernie proposes, he pays for. example:


https://berniesanders.com/issues/how...his-proposals/

hey dumbass remember the last time you posted bs, I destroyed it and you never returned?

Shall I do it again or you get the idea?

[DwightShrute]

....

[DwightShrute]

moron, everyone knows that the largest and most profitable corporations not only don't pay taxes, they have a negative rate (meaning they get money back from the treasury).

everyone knows that in the 1950's corp america accounted for 1/3rd of all revenues. today it's less that 1/10.

clueless.

No wonder you support BS. The post you just made won't put a dent in the debt. Just more taxes so government can waste it. Sadly, you're allowed to vote.

[brooks85]

clueless.

No wonder you support BS. The post you just made won't put a dent in the debt. Just more taxes so government can waste it. Sadly, you're allowed to vote.

his is the perfect mark. As I have accurately said before scumbag is the kind of person con men dream about.

[jtoler]

The debt, lol.

[brooks85]

The debt, lol.

I agree with the lol. Reminds me of your comical beat down yesterday. I sure enjoyed it especially the part when you proved yourself wrong. Those are always the best.