Official Bernie Sanders for President 2016 thread

[DwightShrute]

If you call Bernie a socialist 1 trillion times it does not make it true.
It does prove that you are concerned that he will win.Unless you would waste this many post and this much time on someone with no chance? Would you?
shouldnt you be spending more time with your mis information on Hil?
Are you in the 1%?

It is true. It's not me calling him something he isn't. Bernie himself calls himself a socialist. He has done it many times. America will never elect a socialist I don't think.

Look it up .... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bernie+sanders+...7s+a+socialist

I am not concerned that he will win. I like many things BS stands for actually and he is a far better human being than that evil oyster Hillary. BS has no plan to achieve many of those things he wants though. Taxing people won't do it. Not even close.

[DABOOK]

What about the identity politics and rent seeking enablers?

Do you understand what equality of wage and outcomes actually entails?

Cliffnotes: If you're a white male, you're going to get ******.

Im not scared. I made it through Regan and both Bushes. Bernie is fighting for the 99%. Thats all that matters to me. The greed has gotta stop. If some of Bernies policys impact me negatively. Oh well. It is for the greater good.childhood poverty in this country is embarrassing. The rest of the world looks at how we treat our less fortunate and laughs. Wal mart workers qualify for gov assistance?????!!!!!! No more Vodoo economics. Tax breaks for the 1% do not work. They pocket that dough or hide it in the Caymans.You want stimulis? Give that money to the bottom 20% of workers trying to put kids through college.

[khicks26]

[DABOOK]

It is true. It's not me calling him something he isn't. Bernie himself calls himself a socialist. He has done it many times. America will never elect a socialist I don't think.

Look it up .... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bernie+sanders+...7s+a+socialist

I am not concerned that he will win. I like many things BS stands for actually and he is a far better human being than that evil oyster Hillary. BS has no plan to achieve many of those things he wants though. Taxing people won't do it. Not even close.

Im too busy to watch your video. But I do see 1989 as the date so im sure he says some things he disagrees with now. He is trying to level the field for the 99%. Simple.

[DwightShrute]

Im not scared. I made it through Regan and both Bushes. Bernie is fighting for the 99%. Thats all that matters to me. The greed has gotta stop. If some of Bernies policys impact me negatively. Oh well. It is for the greater good.childhood poverty in this country is embarrassing. The rest of the world looks at how we treat our less fortunate and laughs. Wal mart workers qualify for gov assistance?????!!!!!! No more Vodoo economics. Tax breaks for the 1% do not work. They pocket that dough or hide it in the Caymans.You want stimulis? Give that money to the bottom 20% of workers trying to put kids through college.

what has he done in politics over the last 20+ years? What is known for?

Just another fukking politician who will say whatever to get elected and then disappoint you if he is. Just like he's done his entire political career. It's nice you believe all that warm and fuzzy stuff he says. Many do.

Good luck but too much money behind Hillary. If she isn't indicted, she will be the Dem nominee.

[DwightShrute]

Im too busy to watch your video. But I do see 1989 as the date so im sure he says some things he disagrees with now. He is trying to level the field for the 99%. Simple.

look it up. He said it last week. I just picked the shortest video I could find. It's 45 seconds long lol.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Im not scared. I made it through Regan and both Bushes. Bernie is fighting for the 99%. Thats all that matters to me. The greed has gotta stop. If some of Bernies policys impact me negatively. Oh well. It is for the greater good.childhood poverty in this country is embarrassing. The rest of the world looks at how we treat our less fortunate and laughs. Wal mart workers qualify for gov assistance?????!!!!!! No more Vodoo economics. Tax breaks for the 1% do not work. They pocket that dough or hide it in the Caymans.You want stimulis? Give that money to the bottom 20% of workers trying to put kids through college.

If you want to martyr yourself, that's your prerogative, but don't tell people they are voting against their interests when it's a lie.

Most of the world has inferior living standards, the only people who laugh are Europeans with an inferiority complex.

[jtoler]

It is true. It's not me calling him something he isn't. Bernie himself calls himself a socialist. He has done it many times. America will never elect a socialist I don't think.

Look it up .... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bernie+sanders+...7s+a+socialist

I am not concerned that he will win. I like many things BS stands for actually and he is a far better human being than that evil oyster Hillary. BS has no plan to achieve many of those things he wants though. Taxing people won't do it. Not even close.

What would you rather Bernie do, say one thing and do another like GWHB. Give take breaks to corps and the average citizen pay for them?

[DABOOK]

what has he done in politics over the last 20+ years? What is known for?

Just another fukking politician who will say whatever to get elected and then disappoint you if he is. Just like he's done his entire political career. It's nice you believe all that warm and fuzzy stuff he says. Many do.

Good luck but too much money behind Hillary. If she isn't indicted, she will be the Dem nominee.

You can agree or disagree on policy. But dont call him another politician. He is trying. Even though you enjoy the GOP dumping on you year after year (unless you are a 1%). Bernie is somthing different.

[Jayvegas420]

That's exactly what Dwight is all about. He wants to pay his fair share & he wants billionaires to pay nothing.
Keep in mind Dwight is a 1%er.

[Dr.Gonzo]

You can agree or disagree on policy. But dont call him another politician. He is trying. Even though you enjoy the GOP dumping on you year after year (unless you are a 1%). Bernie is somthing different.

But he's just a democrat stooge.

You already tried something different with Ralph Nader and he disappeared into irrelevancy.

[DwightShrute]

You can agree or disagree on policy. But dont call him another politician. He is trying. Even though you enjoy the GOP dumping on you year after year (unless you are a 1%). Bernie is somthing different.

hold on. So he's not a socialist even though he says he is and he's not a politician even though he's been one for 20 something years?

Is Tom Brady a professional football player? Is he even a quarterback?

Newsflash: 2008. Obama said he was different. The new kind of politician. The one who called GWB unpatriotic for racking up so much debt. The one who promised to unite the parties.

Politicians know what emotional strings to pull.

[DwightShrute]

That's exactly what Dwight is all about. He wants to pay his fair share & he wants billionaires to pay nothing.
Keep in mind Dwight is a 1%er.

amazing how consistently wrong you are.

[stevenash]

Mormons.. very successful socialists 

Brigham Young said:
We heard Brother Taylor's exposition of what is called Socialism this morning. What can they do? Live on each other and beg. It is a poor, unwise and very imbecile people who cannot take care of themselves.

/endthread

[khicks26]

But he's just a democrat stooge.

You already tried something different with Ralph Nader and he disappeared into irrelevancy.

Real Clear Politics Poll has it like this.

Trump vs Sanders General Election

Sanders 49.7 %

Trump 40 %

You guys are afraid Bernie is going to win.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Real Clear Politics Poll has it like this.

Trump vs Sanders General Election

Sanders 49.7 %

Trump 40 %

You guys are afraid Bernie is going to win.

I want to see Trump vs Sanders.

If Trump loses we might as well go into acceleration mode and catalyze a backlash.

Don't expect me to buy this Sanders outsider myth though.

[DwightShrute]

Real Clear Politics Poll has it like this.

Trump vs Sanders General Election

Sanders 49.7 %

Trump 40 %

You guys are afraid Bernie is going to win.

Since June, everyone has been wrong about Trump. Yet, still a few still refuse to accept it. Even after Trump's inauguration speech, there will those who will still be saying he can't win.

Trump will destroy Sanders if they are the last 2.

Trump will face Hillary and he will kill her also.

[khicks26]

Since June, everyone has been wrong about Trump. Yet, still a few still refuse to accept it. Even after Trump's inauguration speech, there will those who will still be saying he can't win.

Trump will destroy Sanders if they are the last 2.

Trump will face Hillary and he will kill her also.

I have never said Trump can't win. But that's all you have been saying since he got in the race.

[khicks26]

I want to see Trump vs Sanders.

If Trump loses we might as well go into acceleration mode and catalyze a backlash.

Don't expect me to buy this Sanders outsider myth though.

You mean if Trump wins. I'm sure your education would not let you think other wise.

[stevenash]

Neither are winning, deal with it

[DwightShrute]

I have never said Trump can't win. But that's all you have been saying since he got in the race.

if he's the gop nominee he will. I am not convinced they will let that happen.

[ACoochy]

Since June, everyone has been wrong about Trump. Yet, still a few still refuse to accept it. Even after Trump's inauguration speech, there will those who will still be saying he can't win.

Trump will destroy Sanders if they are the last 2.

Trump will face Hillary and he will kill her also.

Speaks volumes about the average American and not in a positive way either...

[khicks26]

if he's the gop nominee he will. I am not convinced they will let that happen.

Teflon Don will win. Cenk seems to think so. In the General anything can happen. At least he will not have to deal with the Super Delegates.

[guitarjosh]

Im not scared. I made it through Regan and both Bushes. Bernie is fighting for the 99%. don quizote was also fighting "cyclops"Thats all that matters to me. The greed has gotta stop.even union greed? employee greed? consumer greed? If some of Bernies policys impact me negatively. Oh well. they will, trust me. It is for the greater good.it will make most worse offchildhood poverty in this country is embarrassing.our poor children are richer than most of the children in the world The rest of the world looks at how we treat our less fortunate and laughs.which explains why so many have moved here Wal mart workers qualify for gov assistance?????!!!!!! yes, they tend to contribute little to society (I've worked both at KMart and Walmart, they are very easy jobs)No more Vodoo economics. Tax breaks for the 1% do not work. Funny, you guys don't want free trade with China since all those businesses will leave because the owners make more money over there, but cutting costs in America won't work They pocket that dough or hide it in the Caymans.Or reinvest it, but not here, because taxes are so high.You want stimulis? Give that money to the bottom 20% of workers trying to put kids through college.

and watch inflation go sky high.

[guitarjosh]

Teflon Don will win. Cenk seems to think so. In the General anything can happen. At least he will not have to deal with the Super Delegates.

If the GOP and Trump are smart and can hold the line on the next SC judge, Trump can win. I'm betting the economy will be crap by the fall, which will play well into the hands of a billionaire.

[Jayvegas420]

amazing how consistently wrong you are.

That's not a denial. You're just typing


Explain why that statement is wrong.

[DwightShrute]

That's not a denial. You're just typing


Explain why that statement is wrong.

all of it. I never said billionaires should pay nothing. Where do you get this nonsense? Government needs to stop wasting money before they earn the right to ask anyone to pay more. Only a fool would support more taxes for government to waste.

Don't be going all acoochy on us now.

[DABOOK]

and watch inflation go sky high.

The Fear Monger tactic. Well done.Get this guy a valium. You probably used to hide in your bath tub everytime W would yank your leash into code orange terror alert threat. Still got the duck tape and gas mask from 2001?The Koch Bros or Waltons could not have said your above post better. Congrats to you and all of your millions of dollars Guess what. You cant take it with you.Keep looking out for billionaires. Im sure they have your best interest in mind. Im really wanting to address your "employee Greed" comment. That is bait right? You cant be serious. No more Faux news for you. Take your head outta the bubble. Donald Trump is a game show host buffoon. U S. would be the laughing stock of the great 8.

[DABOOK]

The top 1% is less than 400k, and I doubt Bernie or most of his supporters care, they just want free stuff.

The statement above is why you do not understand. I dont think you have listened to anything Bernie is proposing. It is about leveling the field. Capitalism is great but the system is out of wack. Something has to be done to give the working class a chance.

A few things to consider
1. The top 1 % now owns 40% of wealth , while those in the middle class are making less than they were decades ago, when incomes are adjusted for inflation. America is behind Europe in terms of income inequality. Income inequality goes hand in hand with inequality of opportunity , so that those born at the bottom are condemned to almost certainly remain there.
2. Virtually all senators and most representatives are from the top 1 % and know that if they serve the top 1 % they will be rewarded by the top 1 %
3 The chances of a poor or middle class citizen making it to the top in America are smaller than in many European countries and in all other advanced countries.
4. Almost a quarter of American children under age 5 live in poverty. Among developed countries , only Romania has a higher rate of child poverty. Those children have almost no chance of living the American dream.
5 We spend more on healthcare than any other country.
6. If tax rates on return capital were simply equal to the rates imposed on those who actually work for a living , we could realize an extra $2 Trillion dollars in ten years.
7.While economic forces cause gaps between rich and poor , public policy on taxation , the minimum wage , health care , and education are more responsible.
8 People who are well off and live apart from those of lesser means are divorced from economic problems faced by the shrinking middle class.
The above was originally written by Nobel Prize winner Joseph E Stiglitz. He knows that our country has been become morally wrong. It is obvious. The rich get richer. The rest of us (Working middle class) get less than ever. Only one canidate has addressed these issues. Bernie Sanders

[guitarjosh]

The Fear Monger tactic. Well done.Get this guy a valium. You probably used to hide in your bath tub everytime W would yank your leash into code orange terror alert threat. Still got the duck tape and gas mask from 2001?The Koch Bros or Waltons could not have said your above post better. Congrats to you and all of your millions of dollars Guess what. You cant take it with you.Keep looking out for billionaires. Im sure they have your best interest in mind. Im really wanting to address your "employee Greed" comment. That is bait right? You cant be serious. No more Faux news for you. Take your head outta the bubble. Donald Trump is a game show host buffoon. U S. would be the laughing stock of the great 8.

I notice you didn't try to rebut anything I said, because you can't.

Do you think I have a problem with employee greed? They want as much as they can get for as little as they can spend, and there's nothing wrong with that. Their employer would do the same to them if they could, as would every merchant from whom they buy. Your problem isn't greed, but that the wrong people are greedy.

[ACoochy]

all of it. I never said billionaires should pay nothing. Where do you get this nonsense? Government needs to stop wasting money before they earn the right to ask anyone to pay more. Only a fool would support more taxes for government to waste.

Don't be going all acoochy on us now.

PsychoShruter supreme leader says keep up the good work...

Your UNQESTIONING loyalty has been noted by the regime and commendation shall be given for your efforts in quashing freedom of expression

[guitarjosh]

The statement above is why you do not understand. I dont think you have listened to anything Bernie is proposing. It is about leveling the field. Capitalism is great but the system is out of wack. Something has to be done to give the working class a chance.

A few things to consider
1. The top 1 % now owns 40% of wealth , while those in the middle class are making less than they were decades ago, when incomes are adjusted for inflation. America is behind Europe in terms of income inequality. Income inequality goes hand in hand with inequality of opportunity , so that those born at the bottom are condemned to almost certainly remain there.
2. Virtually all senators and most representatives are from the top 1 % and know that if they serve the top 1 % they will be rewarded by the top 1 %
3 The chances of a poor or middle class citizen making it to the top in America are smaller than in many European countries and in all other advanced countries.
4. Almost a quarter of American children under age 5 live in poverty. Among developed countries , only Romania has a higher rate of child poverty. Those children have almost no chance of living the American dream.
5 We spend more on healthcare than any other country.
6. If tax rates on return capital were simply equal to the rates imposed on those who actually work for a living , we could realize an extra $2 Trillion dollars in ten years.
7.While economic forces cause gaps between rich and poor , public policy on taxation , the minimum wage , health care , and education are more responsible.
8 People who are well off and live apart from those of lesser means are divorced from economic problems faced by the shrinking middle class.
The above was originally written by Nobel Prize winner Joseph E Stiglitz. He knows that our country has been become morally wrong. It is obvious. The rich get richer. The rest of us (Working middle class) get less than ever. Only one canidate has addressed these issues. Bernie Sanders

It's not leveling the field, it is tilting it.

1. What is the proper % for the wealthy to own? How do we know when they own too little? How much of that is because the government encourages borrowing, which puts massive debts on the backs of the non rich? Show a stat that shows income equality going hand in hand with opportunity. People are equally poor in communist countries and they probably will stay there.
2.Again, show me a source to back that up.
3. What defines the top? It's quite possible that the middle here is higher than the top in other countries.
4. Define poverty. Have you seen a list of things "impoverished" people in America have? How many have cable TV, a PC with internet access, smart phones, big screen TVs, etc?
5. Why? because we attach our healthcare to employment, and we don't ration healthcare. If you can pay for it, you get it quick.
6. You're using a static model. Capital gains aren't guaranteed income, as liberals like to say when trying to stop privatizing Social Security, it's a "risky gamble".
7. That sentence doesn't make any sense.
8. You don't think many of those "well off" people came from difficult backgrounds.

Here's the problem, we've already moved to the left. We're more regulated now than any time in our history. Government spending is higher than ever before, yet you're complaining that things are getting worse and worse.

[DABOOK]

I notice you didn't try to rebut anything I said, because you can't.

Do you think I have a problem with employee greed? They want as much as they can get for as little as they can spend, and there's nothing wrong with that. Their employer would do the same to them if they could, as would every merchant from whom they buy. Your problem isn't greed, but that the wrong people are greedy.

None of your comments were worth rebuttle. Its the same scare tactic Koch Rhetoric I her from the Bush lovers I have in my own family. People like you will vote against your interest forever. Its not your fault. It was probably instilled in you at a very young age. You think a billionaire (Trump) is going to help us out. Good Luck with that. My family did construction for him in AC. Not a good man to work for. Billionaires look out for each other and themselves.Last I checked those types have expierenced the best returns ever. If Trump was born into a middle class family he would be selling houses and making $100k a year. He was born on 3rd acts like he hit a triple. How can you expect him to really address the problems facing middle class America? What adversity has he expierenced?

[DABOOK]

It's not leveling the field, it is tilting it.

1. What is the proper % for the wealthy to own? How do we know when they own too little? How much of that is because the government encourages borrowing, which puts massive debts on the backs of the non rich? Show a stat that shows income equality going hand in hand with opportunity. People are equally poor in communist countries and they probably will stay there.
2.Again, show me a source to back that up.
3. What defines the top? It's quite possible that the middle here is higher than the top in other countries.
4. Define poverty. Have you seen a list of things "impoverished" people in America have? How many have cable TV, a PC with internet access, smart phones, big screen TVs, etc?
5. Why? because we attach our healthcare to employment, and we don't ration healthcare. If you can pay for it, you get it quick.
6. You're using a static model. Capital gains aren't guaranteed income, as liberals like to say when trying to stop privatizing Social Security, it's a "risky gamble".
7. That sentence doesn't make any sense.
8. You don't think many of those "well off" people came from difficult backgrounds.

Here's the problem, we've already moved to the left. We're more regulated now than any time in our history. Government spending is higher than ever before, yet you're complaining that things are getting worse and worse.

7.While economic forces cause gaps between rich and poor , public policy on taxation , the minimum wage , health care , and education are more responsible.
Makes perfect sense. Taxation , minimum wage , health care , and education are resonsible for the ever growing gap between rich and poor.

[guitarjosh]

None of your comments were worth rebuttle. Its the same scare tactic Koch Rhetoric I her from the Bush lovers I have in my own family. People like you will vote against your interest forever. Its not your fault. It was probably instilled in you at a very young age. You think a billionaire (Trump) is going to help us out. Good Luck with that. My family did construction for him in AC. Not a good man to work for. Billionaires look out for each other and themselves.Last I checked those types have expierenced the best returns ever. If Trump was born into a middle class family he would be selling houses and making $100k a year. He was born on 3rd acts like he hit a triple. How can you expect him to really address the problems facing middle class America? What adversity has he expierenced?

They all are worth rebuttal, but you can't. I vote for my freedom, that is my best interest. Bernie taxing and regulating businesses out of existence isn't in the best interest of anyone but the rich. It's funny, you claim the rich own the politicians, but the politicians keep regulating as you cheer them on. If the politicians keep regulating, and they're owned by the rich, we must conclude more regulation helps the rich.

Okay, we've not interacted much before, so I'll give you a pass. I've posted in other threads that I don't support Trump for president.