Evan Dunham got robbed

[MD]

Cmon man 1 out of 20 guys might arb bets. Silly

Wong disagrees with you.

[Thor4140]

Orlando looks like a cinch to get the first pick in the draft and i never take the favorite.

[Sacrelicious]

people in this thread are sitting at both extremes.

you have a group of people getting extremely defensive when their little boat is rocked.

for the record I think thor is right about these "robberies" just wrong about the motivations behind them. has nothing to do with gambling money, it has to do with which fighter will make more money for the organization.

Take the aliev/marshall fight. I'm 99% sure that decision was a work, and i take it you CLOWNS agree with me because you didnt say shit to the contrary in the thread i made.

When you think about the fight, it makes no sense that it the decision was fixed because of money on one side, considering the only place you could bet it was focking 5 dimes at 100$ a pop.

It makes no sense that marshall himself paid off the judges because he is broke and wasnt even getting paid shit for the fight. I guess he could have promised them a cut of the 100k prize money, but he would still have to win another fight in the finals, so it seems pretty unlikely the judges would compromise themselves on the possibility of a payday.

The most likely scenario is that bellator made it known to the judges they wanted marshall to advance in the tournament. it makes perfect sense in hindsight. if aliev were to win, that means he fights cooper in the final. boring ass russian wrestler who doesnt speak english vs boring ass american wrestler. neither with a mohawk or tattoo on their pecker. this is bad for business.

now its marshall vs schlemenko, which is actually a half decent fight that as a fan i wouldnt mind seeing. it also ensures that no matter who wins the middlewieght champ will be "exciting" (i.e not a homosex wrestler). cooper vs sclemenko would have been absolute shit. aliev vs schlemenko might even have bankrupted the organization. especially if alvarez left

[Sacrelicious]

Thor, legitimate question here,

If you are this good at predicting and identifying bullshit and fixed matches, why was your entire bankroll not on Fandango at Wrestlemania?

[varkolek]

First of all the line tells you all you need to know if you have enuf brains and can read them. I have access to a few books so i do know where the money is going. Moving a line doesn't mean shit when it comes to these theives. Just because the line move to Dos Anjos means shit. Maybe it means they were taking a position and sucking as much money as they want. Here is something to think about. Why do books all move their lines at once? They can't possibly be all getting hit with the same game at the same time could they. If money moved lines they would all do it individually. Why lets say a Sunday football game we see a line movement of two points at eight a.m. eastern when the game isn't till one and why do they all do it together? That should tell ya something right there.

There is an explanation here, the first post: http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...l#post13496975 why books try to move the lines at once, what happens if they don't and how you can take advantage of that, and what Tony will do to you in that case.

You can either look for patterns in a handful of fights a year, or accept that judging can't be relied on and act accordingly.

Obviously there's the home field advantage sometimes, where the judges share the same nationality as the fighter. But even if the judges aren't corrupt, in a competitive fight the decision is going to be close, so it's going to go either way sometimes due to variability.

Dunham looked better against Tibau than Dos Anjos did, and it was a southpaw vs. southpaw match up each time. But apparently Gleison had a bad weight cut for Dunham, and Goldie was saying Gleison had his best ever weight cut when he fought Dos Anjos and won.

In Dunham's next fight after Tibau, he kept circling into TJ Grant's right hand, and by the second round he gave up all technique and was just swinging wildly. Dunham was using his jab against Gleison, but Grant seemed better at closing the distance and pressuring Dunham.

MMA isn't a mature sport, and you can assume that either the judges are corrupt, or they don't actually watch the fights. I bet 700 fight goes distance, and 250 on Dunham, so I still profited 100. I would have liked to get the return on the 250, but that's life.

[Thor4140]

Thor, legitimate question here,

If you are this good at predicting and identifying bullshit and fixed matches, why was your entire bankroll not on Fandango at Wrestlemania?

i don't mess with overseas books anymore. It is the same old story you win and they figure out your style and start screwing with the lines. I just use the books at home and none offer wrestling odds. Plus im not gonna take the advice off a guy on the net unless i did some work on it also. Now there are a few guys i would but very few and that is after being on the net for 15 years. I also haven't been following wrestling that much. Now back in the day i doubt anyone here could beat me in a trivia contest but that is back in the day. I catch about 15 minutes of raw a week if that and that is it. I didn't even know who Fandango was until i read your post. Some wrestlers i have had my fill of and Jericho is one of them so this is probably why i didn't know who Fandango was because i fast forward past Jericho matches.

[Thor4140]

There is an explanation here, the first post: http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...l#post13496975 why books try to move the lines at once, what happens if they don't and how you can take advantage of that, and what Tony will do to you in that case.

You can either look for patterns in a handful of fights a year, or accept that judging can't be relied on and act accordingly.

Obviously there's the home field advantage sometimes, where the judges share the same nationality as the fighter. But even if the judges aren't corrupt, in a competitive fight the decision is going to be close, so it's going to go either way sometimes due to variability.

Dunham looked better against Tibau than Dos Anjos did, and it was a southpaw vs. southpaw match up each time. But apparently Gleison had a bad weight cut for Dunham, and Goldie was saying Gleison had his best ever weight cut when he fought Dos Anjos and won.

In Dunham's next fight after Tibau, he kept circling into TJ Grant's right hand, and by the second round he gave up all technique and was just swinging wildly. Dunham was using his jab against Gleison, but Grant seemed better at closing the distance and pressuring Dunham.

MMA isn't a mature sport, and you can assume that either the judges are corrupt, or they don't actually watch the fights. I bet 700 fight goes distance, and 250 on Dunham, so I still profited 100. I would have liked to get the return on the 250, but that's life.

my point is why don't these books work individually and move their lines with the money they are getting? That is how it is supposed to be but they all work basically as one. A friend of mine has a rather large book and lets me look at the numbers. I see guy after guy taking one team and not one guy on the other. Then i see the line moving the wrong way. This is a very large book so don't ell me it is just his book that is getting this action cause my buddy in another state is getting the same thing. And Bro stop saying this bullshit about the judges because that is what it is is bullshit. It happens in every sport. You fools see a blatant bullshit call in the NFL and all the sudden label the ref "bad" ( while 9 out of ten times that call is on the side of the books) You call him bad i call him corrupt. Why doesn't the NFL let us know who is reffing the game beforehand? Because they know there are guys like me who know who the majority of the crooked ones are. It isn't hard to figure out. Looked at a heavily one sided bet game and see who is reffing. Watch some of his bullshit calls like holding to kill drives. Helping a shit team on third down with bullshit defensive contact fouls to extend drives. I could go on and on.

[mirinquads]

Well i obviously dont motherpenetrator, so tell me. And they move the lines because they watch each others line closely to not get jacked. There is a lot of words coming from your fat fingers, but not many of any value. Bring me something tangible. I will say though all the Frankie talk is interesting, and I wonder why Bendo has had all these 'robberies' or at least close as penetrate decisions go his way, especially when he sucks at getting ppvs. Asian interest perhaps? Not that he's very popular over there as far as I know

[varkolek]

I have never watched NFL, don't know what the rules are and wouldn't know how to bet on it. I wouldn't even watch combat sports if I didn't bet on fights. The first time I ever bet on was Kessler vs. Ward, and it only attracted my interest because I had seen Kessler on the news when he had fought Mundine so I knew who he was.

my point is why don't these books work individually and move their lines with the money they are getting? That is how it is supposed to be but they all work basically as one. A friend of mine has a rather large book and lets me look at the numbers. I see guy after guy taking one team and not one guy on the other. Then i see the line moving the wrong way. This is a very large book so don't ell me it is just his book that is getting this action cause my buddy in another state is getting the same thing. And Bro stop saying this bullshit about the judges because that is what it is is bullshit. It happens in every sport.

That's interesting, but if your friend runs the book can't he explain why the line moves the wrong way?

I'm not particularly interested in arguing the point at least about mma or boxing. There's a lot of bad decisions in mma, some of which have to be random. I think it's a waste of effort to try to establish a pattern instead of just establishing the judging will be bad and move on.

I think a lot of people expected the Carmont-Larkin decision was going to be a robbery, people were posting on this forum about it. I put about 100-150 on Larkin, partly because I hadn't seen Larkin's most recent fight, partly because I didn't trust the decision. You would avoid betting altogether, I would just limit how much I put down.

[hobbesITD]

Wade Vierra judging Henderson/Melendez remains the most retarded thing the AC has ever done. Here's a guy who owns a Cesar Gracie Gym, rolls with the Cesar Gracie team, is belted by Cesar Gracie, judging a title fight involving a Cesar Gracie student.

Either the AC is so incompetent they didn't even bother to Google the judges they were contracting, or they made a conscious decision to contract a biased judge to a title fight.

[Vaughany]

Wade Vierra judging Henderson/Melendez remains the most retarded thing the AC has ever done. Here's a guy who owns a Cesar Gracie Gym, rolls with the Cesar Gracie team, is belted by Cesar Gracie, judging a title fight involving a Cesar Gracie student.

Either the AC is so incompetent they didn't even bother to Google the judges they were contracting, or they made a conscious decision to contract a biased judge to a title fight.

funniest thing about that is that there was hardly any media response to this. To me it seems like quite a major thing, but nothing was said about it? unless I missed it

[hobbesITD]

funniest thing about that is that there was hardly any media response to this. To me it seems like quite a major thing, but nothing was said about it? unless I missed it

NSAC gave a bullshit statement about how they didn't think it was a big deal and that was the end of it.

MMA Journalists are the worst. There's maybe a 10 articles written a day about whether or not Fedor is the best or the super-best, but not a single one on whether or not it's a conflict of interest for Michael DePasquale Jr. to judge fights when he has money invested in the UFC.

[sideloaded]

NSAC gave a bullshit statement about how they didn't think it was a big deal and that was the end of it.

MMA Journalists are the worst. There's maybe a 10 articles written a day about whether or not Fedor is the best or the super-best, but not a single one on whether or not it's a conflict of interest for Michael DePasquale Jr. to judge fights when he has money invested in the UFC.

wha?????? I love the articles about how rousey loves sex right before fights!

[Vaughany]

NSAC gave a bullshit statement about how they didn't think it was a big deal and that was the end of it.

MMA Journalists are the worst. There's maybe a 10 articles written a day about whether or not Fedor is the best or the super-best, but not a single one on whether or not it's a conflict of interest for Michael DePasquale Jr. to judge fights when he has money invested in the UFC.

yeah, why the fuuck wasnt Helwani mentioning it at least

[Thor4140]

funniest thing about that is that there was hardly any media response to this. To me it seems like quite a major thing, but nothing was said about it? unless I missed it

You can fix a game as plain as day and life goes on. Three days later it is all forgotten. Heck they even got caught fixing the daily number here in my state and they didn't miss a beat. People still play it religiously. I mean seriously they got caught fixing the ping pong balls with a bogus number and the game goes on till this day.

[Vaughany]

Ignorance is bliss I guess