and people think brady isnt best all time?

[Mr Handicapable]

If the TEAM is good enough to get to the big dance it is then the leaders responsibility known as the QB to lead them to victory every single time I don't care if they are in 100 championships if you lose one you don't make the list.........

Did Starr lose any championships?

If not, he is number 1 on the list..

If he did, he is no longer on this list....

You do know there are 50+ guys on each team right? Its not QB vs QB like MMA.

[King Mayan]

Good O-line plus lilguys/TE's running 6 yard slants up the middle is what makes him look great..

Nothing spectacular.

[Mr Handicapable]

For example.....Elway was better than Phil Simms or Doug Williams but the AFC was HORRIBLE back then and there were prob 5 teams in the NFC better than Denver so Elway got smoked every time. It doesn't mean Elway wasn't great....just not nearly enough help around him.

[PAULYPOKER]

9-1 I think.

That list is a bitch.

It needs to be.......

Every QB who has lost a Superbowl or championship will tell you he would of been better not to be there in the 1st place,

In every QB's heart they know when given the opportunity in the big dance losing is not an option....

Every QB who has ever played the game would gladly trade career places with anyone on that list..........

Would they not?

[stevenash]

For example.....Elway was better than Phil Simms or Doug Williams but the AFC was HORRIBLE back then and there were prob 5 teams in the NFC better than Denver so Elway got smoked every time. It doesn't mean Elway wasn't great....just not nearly enough help around him.

Phil Simms had one of the greatest games in the history on Elway's Bronco's.
Two of the incompletions were drops.

[str]

It needs to be.......

Every QB who has lost a Superbowl or championship will tell you he would of been better not to be there in the 1st place,

In every QB's heart they know when given the opportunity in the big dance losing is not an option....

Every QB who has ever played the game would gladly trade career places with anyone on that list..........

Would they not?

Starr would trade places with Rodgers and Brees ?

Only so he could play again would be my guess.

If his penalty is playing in 6-9 more than those other guys than so be it.

I get the passion behind capturing the moment and losing not an option but IMO 9-1 is better than 1-0, 2-0 or 3-0.

[str]

Phil Simms had one of the greatest games in the history on Elway's Bronco's.
Two of the incompletions were drops.

Indeed Simms was from another planet that day .

[stevenash]

Did Starr lose any championships?

If not, he is number 1 on the list..

If he did, he is no longer on this list....

Only post season game Starr lost was the 1960 game, his first playoff game, he ran the table after that 1960 game.
Pack lost to Van Brocklin's Eagles, who were like the 1985 Bears that year.
Pack lost 17-13.
Starr went 21 for 34 that game, TD, no picks.

[PAULYPOKER]

For example.....Elway was better than Phil Simms or Doug Williams but the AFC was HORRIBLE back then and there were prob 5 teams in the NFC better than Denver so Elway got smoked every time. It doesn't mean Elway wasn't great....just not nearly enough help around him.

John Elway in Superbowl losses

SB 21:

Passes Completed	26
Had Intercepted/ TD's	1/1
Tackled Attempting to Pass	4
Yards Lost Attempting to Pass	32
Yards Gained Passing (Net)	320

SB 22

Passes Completed	15
Had Intercepted/TD's	3/0
Tackled Attempting to Pass	5
Yards Lost Attempting to Pass	50
Yards Gained Passing (Net)	230

SB 24

Passes Completed	11
Had Intercepted/TD's	2/0
Tackled Attempting to Pass	6
Yards Lost Attempting to Pass	33
Yards Gained Passing (Net)	103

Elway was a total failure in all his Superbowl losses

End of discussion............

[stevenash]

^
Horse teeth Elway still has Phil Simms nightmares

[lakerboy]

Steve when Elway lost the 3 bowls how many weeks between afc title game and superbowl? 1 or 2.

[rocky16]

That is a year by year "ending".

He's only been in the playoffs 9 times....

You can just look at his Y/A in the playoffs and it tells you everything you need to know. He's just a regular season QB.

Brady 16-6 in playoffs. Montana 16-7.

[k13]

Even in the GB super bowl, elway sucked. TD carried him.

[stevenash]

Steve when Elway lost the 3 bowls how many weeks between afc title game and superbowl? 1 or 2.

Looks like there was a bye week after the Broncs beat the Browns and lost to the Giants.

Interesting, he's 1 and 4 lifetime vs. NYG

Here

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00/gamelog//

[PAULYPOKER]

Only post season game Starr lost was the 1960 game, his first playoff game, he ran the table after that 1960 game.
Pack lost to Van Brocklin's Eagles, who were like the 1985 Bears that year.
Pack lost 17-13.
Starr went 21 for 34 that game, TD, no picks.

OK,Since he did not lose any Superbowls, he stays on list............

And Otto Graham will be grandfathered into the list .........

[rocky16]

He got away with intentional grounding on a late play... and then Vinny nailed the kick. Defense won that game. QB stats? Brady didn't even have to win the AFCCG to get to play in the SB and he got a do-over vs the Raiders when he fumbled away the game... unlike every other BIG NAME QB who actually won 2 or 3 games to get to their first SB and some won 4 games overall, something Brady has NEVER done.

Your hate for the Pats and Brady is strong. I'm sure that 59-24 ass whooping didn't help matters. I can picture you watching that game with your Luck jersey on, Colts #1 foam finger on one hand and a Zima in the other screaming at your 19 inch Magnavox. Get over it loser.

[k13]

Brady 16-6 in playoffs. Montana 16-7.

That's because more playoffs teams were added, giving a first round cupcake as opposed to the old days.

Tom Brady QB rating 87.8, 6.66 y/a,
Joe Montana QB rating 95.6, 7.86 y/a,

If you adjust that for today's joke passing numbers the difference is even bigger.

[rocky16]

That's because more playoffs teams were added, giving a first round cupcake as opposed to the old days.

Tom Brady QB rating 87.8, 6.66 y/a,
Joe Montana QB rating 95.6, 7.86 y/a,

If you adjust that for today's joke passing numbers the difference is even bigger.

1st round cupcakes? Brady has played in the WC round twice. He's 1-1.

[rocky16]

Montana has played in more WC games than Brady. HAHA!

[PAULYPOKER]

Montana has played in more WC games than Brady. HAHA!

Brady has lost multiple Superbowls,

A QB can never erase this....................

[stevenash]

Brady has lost multiple Superbowls,

[rocky16]

Brady has lost multiple Superbowls,

A QB can never erase this....................

Montana has lost more in the playoffs. Also can't be erased. People are so hung up on SB losses. I'd rather have my QB lose in the SB than in the divisional or championship rounds which Montana has done more. The whole "Montana has never lost a SB" argument is severely ignorant and reflects on a poor understanding of common sense. Also, the AFC was putrid when Montana was winning SB's.

[rocky16]

I'm happy they let a person with Down's hold the trophy.

[PAULYPOKER]

Eli

Exactly, this is another reason ELI is pending to get on list and Brady's only reason why he will never be..........

[PhillyFlyers]

Fukkin Elway was the most overrated QB in history.

Lost 3 Super Bowls on his own and won 2 of them riding on Terrell Davis' dikk.

Fukk Elway. Fukk the Broncos.

[stevenash]

Fukkin Elway was the most overrated QB in history.

Lost 3 Super Bowls on his own and won 2 of them riding on Terrell Davis' dikk.

Fukk Elway. Fukk the Broncos.

Hate him

[rocky16]

Fukkin Elway was the most overrated QB in history.

Lost 3 Super Bowls on his own and won 2 of them riding on Terrell Davis' dikk.

Fukk Elway. Fukk the Broncos.

Favre and Elway are two of the most overrated. Elway looks like a god damn horse. The Broncos helmet should have his face on them.

[stevenash]

I'm happy they let a person with Down's hold the trophy.

3.44 GPA with an advanced degree in marketing.
Yeah, he's stupid all right.

[rocky16]

3.44 GPA with an advanced degree in marketing.
Yeah, he's stupid all right.

Look at him and tell me he doesn't have a touch of Down's in him. And marketing? Please, what a joke.

[PhillyFlyers]

Favre and Elway are two of the most overrated. Elway looks like a god damn horse. The Broncos helmet should have his face on them.

Fukk me, I can't tell who has a bigger horse face Elway or Sharpe.

[PAULYPOKER]

Montana has lost more in the playoffs. Also can't be erased. People are so hung up on SB losses. I'd rather have my QB lose in the SB than in the divisional or championship rounds which Montana has done more. The whole "Montana has never lost a SB" argument is severely ignorant and reflects on a poor understanding of common sense. Also, the AFC was putrid when Montana was winning SB's.

No,

playoffs losses can not count because they are not the big dance and extension of the regular season,

the best teams of the AFC/NFC earn their spot to the Superbowl yearly,

The Team that has the Best QB performance always prevails and hoists the Lombardi.............

[rocky16]

Fukk me, I can't tell who has a bigger horse face Elway or Sharpe.

Haha, two horsed face fukks.

[rocky16]

No,

playoffs losses can not count because they are not the big dance,

the best teams of the AFC/NFC earn their spot to the Superbowl yearly,

The Team that has the Best QB performance always prevails and hoists the Lombardi.............

Pure ignorance. Evolve, you knuckle dragging ape.

[str]

I'm happy they let a person with Down's hold the trophy.

Unreal.

[PAULYPOKER]

Pure ignorance. Evolve, you knuckle dragging ape.

Never mind, I did not know I was trying to reason with a child who is on his mommies computer while she is away............