Tom Brady is the 2nd greatest QB of all time..

[hockey216]

Brady's stats are better than Montana. Brady has more TDs, more yards, higher percentage, higher rating (102.5/92.5), fewer INT's.

Brady's numbers are better than Montana's in every single category.

[Sunde91]

What ifs haha Terry Bradshaw isn't even in top 150 career passer rating yeah sure top 10. And a Brady is the greatest thread seconds after he throws a wide open TD. Whose embarrassing themself?

[Nats' Fan]

What ifs haha Terry Bradshaw isn't even in top 150 career passer rating yeah sure top 10. And a Brady is the greatest thread seconds after he throws a wide open TD. Whose embarrassing themself?

World's softest argument.. Congrats bro.

[KingJD31]

It deff helps when you got someone in your ear on what the defense is playing,but I agree he is one of the greatest cheats of all time, I give him props

[Nats' Fan]

It deff helps when you got someone in your ear on what the defense is playing,but I agree he is one of the greatest cheats of all time, I give him props

Another fukkin crybaby.. lol.

[k13]

Brady's stats are better than Montana. Brady has more TDs, more yards, higher percentage, higher rating (102.5/92.5), fewer INT's.

Brady's numbers are better than Montana's in every single category.

Check playoff numbers.

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[lakerboy]

Brady's stats are better than Montana. Brady has more TDs, more yards, higher percentage, higher rating (102.5/92.5), fewer INT's.

Brady's numbers are better than Montana's in every single category.

Montana 4 rings- 0 losses in Superbowl. Brady 3-2. Brady playing in the passing era. They used to run the football in the old days.

[broadway6]

The FG kicker was the MVP of those 3 super bowls...even if he did not win the award. Brady owes the the tuck rule for a ring too

[k13]

Rivers has a better QB rating than Montana. Same with Romo.

Not hard to do these days.

Lot harder to be a 14 point favorite in the Super Bowl and lose.

[Nats' Fan]

Okay.. Can we just agree Brady is one bad motherfuker. You gotta at least put in in the top 5.

[paco]

Rivers has a better QB rating than Montana. Same with Romo.

Not hard to do these days.

Lot harder to be a 14 point favorite in the Super Bowl and lose.

Well, Brady won a Super Bowl as a 14 point dog also

[hockey216]

Montana's playoff numbers are a little better than brady's.. except for win percentage.

but for their careers, Brady's stats are better in every single category.

[hockey216]

Montana 4 rings- 0 losses in Superbowl. Brady 3-2. Brady playing in the passing era. They used to run the football in the old days.

Montana played well. but all those superbowls were won by their defense. their defense gave up 10 points, 16 points, 16 points, 21 points (earliest).

Not hard to win when ur defense only allows 10-16 points.

But yes montana's playoff numbers are a little better. The playoff games should be weighted more, but you still have to understand that they are only 10% of a guy's career. 90% of your career is during the regular season.

Brady's numbers are higher in every single category (yards, TD's, rating, completion percentage, fewer interceptions). Brady has higher career numbers in every single category.

Brady threw for 5,235 yards last season. Montana was in the 3,000's every single year.

[lakerboy]

Well, Brady won a Super Bowl as a 14 point dog also

true. He did also not cover any double digit spread the year the were perfect in the playoffs.

[paco]

true. He did also not cover any double digit spread the year the were perfect in the playoffs.

True but We are talking about wins and greatness of a Qb . Not from a gambling perspective

[lakerboy]

True but We are talking about wins and greatness of a Qb . Not from a gambling perspective

you brought up the 14 point dog thing. i already pointed out that i will fade hime in the playoffs and cash out. i showed in this thread that it works year in and year out. He is not the best qb ever. The best dont lose games like he did to the giants.

[paco]

you brought up the 14 point dog thing. i already pointed out that i will fade hime in the playoffs and cash out. i showed in this thread that it works year in and year out. He is not the best qb ever. The best dont lose games like he did to the giants.

I only bought up the 14 point dog to answer k13's comment about Brady losing as a 14 point fav lol.

As for the first sb loss. Come on man, David tyree made a super catch and defense gave that game away.

[hockey216]

you brought up the 14 point dog thing. i already pointed out that i will fade hime in the playoffs and cash out. i showed in this thread that it works year in and year out. He is not the best qb ever. The best dont lose games like he did to the giants.

the giants had a great defense. Brady had the pats winning with 2 minutes left. Then the pats defense choked. not brady's fault. Manning went on a TD drive in last few minutes of 4th qtr. He had that crazy play where he dodged a sack and threw it downfield to a receiver who caught it after it bounced off his head. Brady had pats winning late in both games. Not Brady's fault his defense couldn't hold a lead and coughed up touchdowns late in 4th qtr. Giants were a good team too. Not like Brady lost to some slouch.

And yes i never bet the pats ATS. they are a public team and lines are always inflated. i bet buffalo against them last week. pats ATS record doesn't mean brady sucks. It just means vegas inflates the lines so they can beat the public. Pats should not have been a 14 point favorite. 14 points is a ton of points. Even against a shit team. Let alone against a good team like giants. anyone with a brain knew that.

yea brady lost last 2 superbowls because defense choked in last 2minutes... but he should still get credit for getting to superbowl. and he still has 3 rings. he's got 5 super bowl appearances. That's pretty damn good. his superbowl win percentage is still 3-2. and he started his playoff career 9-0. He's 16-6 in the playoffs. That's pretty good. Tom Brady isn't a slouch.

[Micro]

Brees #1

[Nats' Fan]

Brees #1

Yeah sure, ghost.

[t-wizzle]

Montana is the greatest but I agree Brady is #2. I think its pretty clear-cut to be honest. Somebody make a case for any other name besides Montana?

[ZetaPsi808]

I only bought up the 14 point dog to answer k13's comment about Brady losing as a 14 point fav lol.

As for the first sb loss. Come on man, David tyree made a super catch and defense gave that game away.

brady did choke

they had the best offense of all time and only scored 14 points

pathetic offensive game by the patriots

if anything their defense played well to hold their opponent to 17 points in a superbowl game

[lakerboy]

Elway was pretty good as well. Lost to the 49ers ( which imo was the best team ever assembled) and lost to a great giants squad and a solid skins squad. He beat a great gb team with favre and reggie white. Atl win was a gimme.

[t-wizzle]

brady did choke

they had the best offense of all time and only scored 14 points

pathetic offensive game by the patriots

if anything their defense played well to hold their opponent to 17 points in a superbowl game

No he did not choke. In fact he led them on what would have been the game-winning drive if not for a miracle play. They had trouble scoring because Belichick refused to add protection against the giants great passrush.

[hockey216]

brady did choke

they had the best offense of all time and only scored 14 points

pathetic offensive game by the patriots

if anything their defense played well to hold their opponent to 17 points in a superbowl game

Brady was winning with 2min left in the 4th qtr. Pats defense choked and allowed manning to go 80 yards in 2mins along with a miracle play in order to win it. Pats defense blew that game. Brady had them winning with 2min left. Not his fault the defense couldn't hold the lead for 2 more freaking minutes.

[Catchn_Picks]

Okay.. Can we just agree Brady is one bad motherfuker. You gotta at least put in in the top 5.

Absolutely correct sir.

[t-wizzle]

Elway was pretty good as well. Lost to the 49ers ( which imo was the best team ever assembled) and lost to a great giants squad and a solid skins squad. He beat a great gb team with favre and reggie white. Atl win was a gimme.

But you can't put him ahead of Brady.

[lakerboy]

But you can't put him ahead of Brady.

no i cant. I will put ELi ahead of though one day.

[t-wizzle]

no i cant. I will put ELi ahead of though one day.

So you think Eli will be the best qb all-time behind Montana?

[lakerboy]

So you think Eli will be the best qb all-time behind Montana?

Lets see. He has along way to go. I dont care about reg season stats. Winning is all that matters. If he wins 4 superbowls and loses none he will surely have done alot to put his name there. I mean the guy is 8-3 in the playoffs and has won more road playoff games than any qb.

[DOM-Ganador]

nah the giants deserved to win those 2 superbowls

Wait a minute fella...1st one yes, the NY D-line played animalistic.
But the last one??? C`mon man. Asante Samuel drops a pick he catches 98 out of 100 times and game over.
Everything that happened after that was a tad lucky.

[t-wizzle]

Lets see. He has along way to go. I dont care about reg season stats. Winning is all that matters. If he wins 4 superbowls and loses none he will surely have done alot to put his name there. I mean the guy is 8-3 in the playoffs and has won more road playoff games than any qb.

Completely agree winning is all that matters. That's why I've never put Peyton in my top 5. Guy is clearly a great quarterback but it doesn't mean shit when you look at how he has performed in the playoffs.

I don't think Eli will win any more super bowls though. 16-6 with 3 rings for Brady is pretty damn good. Certainly good enough to be the best besides Montana in my opinion.

[Frisco]

Top 5 QBs of all time: 1. Joe Montana 2. Tom Brady 3. Brett Favre 4. Kurt Warner 5. Dan Marino

[lakerboy]

Completely agree winning is all that matters. That's why I've never put Peyton in my top 5. Guy is clearly a great quarterback but it doesn't mean shit when you look at how he has performed in the playoffs.

I don't think Eli will win any more super bowls though. 16-6 with 3 rings for Brady is pretty damn good. Certainly good enough to be the best besides Montana in my opinion.

I bet you never thought ELi would win another one after the first one. Dont lie bro you didnt think he would.

[t-wizzle]

I bet you never thought ELi would win another one after the first one. Dont lie bro you didnt think he would.

Nope and I don't think you did either pal. You and I both bet against him time after time during their super bowl run last year.