USC Illinois still on deck. What u late night degens taking

MrInItToWinIt · 11-20-12, 01:28 AM

69.0 now

Lakers714 · 11-20-12, 01:28 AM

Hmmm, do I chalk up my loss or chase?

MS · 11-20-12, 01:29 AM

My Over looking good so far crazy

paranoyd androyd · 11-20-12, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by d2bets

It's not a middle. The game bet is over. It's just a new bet.

it's a middle if you have illinois for the game

Frisco · 11-20-12, 01:30 AM

Bit on the under 69 2H. Was waiting to get that half point and couldn't help myself. Only a half unit so won't dent the ILL winners too much if it doesn't hit

frostno98 · 11-20-12, 01:31 AM

Under is the play for 2nd half or USC. The under is usually good in the 2nd half, because Illinois will milk the clock once it hits the 10 minute mark.

Lakers714 · 11-20-12, 01:31 AM

I took the bookie bait. Locked in SC -5 2H. Just can't see a team shoot as well as Illinois did in the 1H carry over to the 2H.

Frisco · 11-20-12, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by paranoyd androyd

it's a middle if you have illinois for the game

No, he was right. If you have ILL for the game that bet has already won so you aren't trying to middle anything. It's a whole new bet.

usfunca · 11-20-12, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by Lakers714

I took the bookie bait. Locked in SC -5 2H. Just can't see a team shoot as well as Illinois did in the 1H carry over to the 2H.

I laid a small one on Illini +5. I don't think they'll keep the shooting up, but I don't see USC improving enough to get em by 5 in the 2H.

Frisco · 11-20-12, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by Lakers714

I took the bookie bait. Locked in SC -5 2H. Just can't see a team shoot as well as Illinois did in the 1H carry over to the 2H.

Too bad u didn't catch it at 4.5

homerbush · 11-20-12, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by paranoyd androyd

it's a middle if you have illinois for the game

Agreed

paranoyd androyd · 11-20-12, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Frisco

No, he was right. If you have ILL for the game that bet has already won so you aren't trying to middle anything. It's a whole new bet.

it has? why aren't illini game wagers graded yet then?

Lakers714 · 11-20-12, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by Frisco

Too bad u didn't catch it at 4.5

Yea, it just moved after I checked this thread.

Lakers714 · 11-20-12, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by paranoyd androyd

it has? why aren't illini game wagers graded yet then?

Omfg, u sarcastic guy.

Frisco · 11-20-12, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by paranoyd androyd

it has? why aren't illini game wagers graded yet then?

Because the books are greedy w/ my $. Really grinds my gears

alamo · 11-20-12, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by paranoyd androyd

it has? why aren't illini game wagers graded yet then?

My book has paid out.

Frisco · 11-20-12, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by Lakers714

Yea, it just moved after I checked this thread.

You on the lakers tmrw? Where do you see that line moving

Frisco · 11-20-12, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by alamo

My book has paid out.

Mine just did too. They sent me a message saying that I did such a great job w/ placing that wager that they decided to pay me twice the amount they owe. Really nice people

Titanup28 · 11-20-12, 01:38 AM

2 nd half Illinois +5 and Ml let's get it

paranoyd androyd · 11-20-12, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by Frisco

Because the books are greedy w/ my $. Really grinds my gears

yeah

but seriously, although this doesn't classify as a traditional middle opportunity, it still is one.

a more common middle could've been in tonight's mnf game. i.e. if you'd bet the bears +7 earlier in the week before alex smith was ruled out, you could've then played the niners -3.5 after he was ruled out hoping the niners win by 4,5, or 6 for the middle.

middles are generally understood as two bets, one of which will most likely lose since the possibility of both sides winning generally has a relatively limited point range (but usually includes key numbers like the above mnf example). you make the wagers understanding that your max probable loss is just juice.

this 'sc 2H play still falls under that definition if you had illinois for the game, it just has a much larger winning range making it a much more attractive middle. you would now have illinois game +3 and usc game +26.. impossible to lose both, but very possible to win both. max loss is juice.

Frisco · 11-20-12, 01:54 AM

You can technically classify it as a middle but seems silly when it is clear that if you took Ill for the game that bet has already won so you're not really trying to middle 2 bets too take the risk out of your first bet. Max loss of juice would be terrible if you're on ILL +3 and end up w/ a net loss on a game where the team you originally took is up 31 points. Technicalities!!!!

yisman · 11-20-12, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by Frisco

No, he was right. If you have ILL for the game that bet has already won so you aren't trying to middle anything. It's a whole new bet.

agreed. It's going for a middle when the first bet is not decided. In a case like this, you're simply making a new bet.

Frisco · 11-20-12, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by Frisco

Bit on the under 69 2H. Was waiting to get that half point and couldn't help myself. Only a half unit so won't dent the ILL winners too much if it doesn't hit

In decent shape... just need to avoid a crazy scoring outburst late in the game

shooms79 · 11-20-12, 01:58 AM

LOL the broadcasters JUST said "espn news is projecting illinois the winner"
have we learned nothing from Bush V Gore?
Or the illinois hawaii game 11/18?

sportsguy04 · 11-20-12, 01:59 AM

I swear if Illinois blows this huge lead and lets USC Cover +13.5 Ill be heated.

homerbush · 11-20-12, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by Frisco

You can technically classify it as a middle but seems silly when it is clear that if you took Ill for the game that bet has already won so you're not really trying to middle 2 bets too take the risk out of your first bet. Max loss of juice would be terrible if you're on ILL +3 and end up w/ a net loss on a game where the team you originally took is up 31 points. Technicalities!!!!

But you're also assuming the person has Illinois +3 -110. I have Illinois +3 +1200 as last team in parlay so throwing a unit on USC here is not going to result in a net loss.

yisman · 11-20-12, 02:02 AM

when you talk about middles you're obviously talking about straight bets, not as the last leg of a parlay

Frisco · 11-20-12, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by homerbush

But you're also assuming the person has Illinois +3 -110. I have Illinois +3 +1200 as last team in parlay so throwing a unit on USC here is not going to result in a net loss.

True. I usually hedge the last leg of a parlay before the game starts either way to guarantee decent profit, unless it's a small 2 or 3 teamer. Been burned too many times by that last leg

Frisco · 11-20-12, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by sportsguy04

I swear if Illinois blows this huge lead and lets USC Cover +13.5 Ill be heated.

Nervous yet??

sportsguy04 · 11-20-12, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by Frisco

Nervous yet??

That 3 free throws was huge. Not nervus yet.

homerbush · 11-20-12, 02:07 AM

Middle... Hedge... Whatever important thing is let's celebrate a win

sportsguy04 · 11-20-12, 02:09 AM

Im not celebrating yet. Illinois -13.5 here... I can just see the backdoor now and USC Drains a meaning less 3 to lose by 13.

Lakers714 · 11-20-12, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by sportsguy04

Im not celebrating yet. Illinois -13.5 here... I can just see the backdoor now and USC Drains a meaning less 3 to lose by 13.

R u watching the same game I am? There's no way SC covers 13.5 bro. You're good. I'm sweating my SC -5 2H play. You're 13.5 is good as cashed.
C'mon SC, keep it respectable and lose by 25 or less please. Lol

paranoyd androyd · 11-20-12, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by Frisco

You can technically classify it as a middle but seems silly when it is clear that if you took Ill for the game that bet has already won so you're not really trying to middle 2 bets too take the risk out of your first bet. Max loss of juice would be terrible if you're on ILL +3 and end up w/ a net loss on a game where the team you originally took is up 31 points. Technicalities!!!!

agreed that it's a bit of semantics. the bold isn't necessarily correct though.. i.e. reducing risk of an initial bet is not the only reason to play for (or definition of) a middle, but it does capture the mindset of most gamblers.

i.e. playing 'sc 2H for most would be like, in their minds, splitting tens in blackjack. why 'split a winner' most would say?

well, there are many out there that would answer... 'because the dealer is showing a 6'.

illinois can lose by 2 and win by all the way up to 25 pts for you to win both bets - that's a 27 point range. there's enough people out there that would play that range not because they're worried about taking the risk out of their first bet, but because they believe the second wager carries a smaller risk than their first one. just two different mindsets in approach is all. gl

sportsguy04 · 11-20-12, 02:13 AM

Come on Illinois please just go on like a mini run 6-0 or something. QUit turning the ball over. Of course USC is draining their shots now.