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  • Finch Dinero
    SBR Sharp
    • 07-28-11
    • 421

    #1
    LeBron would Beat Jordan in game of 21
    Jordan wouldn't be able to guard him, strength it just to much. LeBron moneyline would probably be at +120 or something...
  • Finch Dinero
    SBR Sharp
    • 07-28-11
    • 421

    #2
    Strength is just to much*
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    • vaas187
      SBR MVP
      • 03-01-12
      • 2280

      #3
      true. drake blows though. that whole OVOXO crew are all chumps now, anybody that really knows em in the city dont respect them
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      • k13
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 07-16-10
        • 18104

        #4
        Could find someone on the streets to beat them both.
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        • Reedeman
          SBR High Roller
          • 01-15-12
          • 232

          #5
          Opie are you insinuating that Lebron is a better blackjack player than Michael Jordan?

          Rubbish I say! Jordan is a magnificant blackjack player. One of the all-time greats. He can beat lebron at basketball, blackjack, poker, golf, and baseball.
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          • JohnnyD4916
            SBR MVP
            • 04-14-10
            • 1572

            #6
            I would think so Jordan's a lot older so Lebron should win
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            • danso
              SBR MVP
              • 10-26-10
              • 2224

              #7
              A game of 21 or a game up to 21?

              Game of 21 is pretty much standing at free throw line and taking turns..
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              • neverstoppers23
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 11-26-09
                • 6302

                #8
                Originally posted by danso
                A game of 21 or a game up to 21?

                Game of 21 is pretty much standing at free throw line and taking turns..



                i think you are reffering to 'around the world' danso

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                • Justin3587
                  SBR MVP
                  • 08-29-12
                  • 2566

                  #9
                  Saloon this horse shit.
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                  • bradleysnyder
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                    • 04-18-07
                    • 6662

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Finch Dinero
                    Jordan wouldn't be able to guard him, strength it just to much. LeBron moneyline would probably be at +120 or something...

                    Jordan was never as quick and strong as lebron.........Two diffrent style of players here.Jordan was a good Shooter/Dunk

                    Lebron has really no flaw in any part of his game.Guy can do anything in the clutch.Now that james has good players around him like jordan did James true ability is finally showing.

                    Id take lebron over jordan any day.By the time james career is over i bet he will surpass jordan in every category !!!!
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                    • theAkathist
                      SBR Sharp
                      • 10-18-12
                      • 313

                      #11
                      shaun bradley -400
                      lebron james +340
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                      • cubfan2121
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 02-24-08
                        • 188

                        #12
                        Your confused
                        when you say "guy can do anything in the clutch" you were referring to Jordan
                        I dont ever remember James shooting over Craig Elho (twice) during the playoffs.
                        I dont remember James winning an nba champion on the final possession vs Utah.

                        You must have missed the memo that James left to go to another team
                        While Jordan, Magic and Bird have publicly said back they wanted to win a championship by themself, not go to another established team.

                        Why cant people just accept that Jordan is the best player ever and James just so happens to be the best player playing the game today.
                        James will be considered a great player at best. Never should he be in the category or conversation of best player ever
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                        • SportsPedagogy
                          SBR MVP
                          • 02-13-11
                          • 3691

                          #13
                          Originally posted by cubfan2121
                          Your confused
                          when you say "guy can do anything in the clutch" you were referring to Jordan
                          I dont ever remember James shooting over Craig Elho (twice) during the playoffs.
                          I dont remember James winning an nba champion on the final possession vs Utah.

                          You must have missed the memo that James left to go to another team
                          While Jordan, Magic and Bird have publicly said back they wanted to win a championship by themself, not go to another established team.

                          Why cant people just accept that Jordan is the best player ever and James just so happens to be the best player playing the game today.
                          James will be considered a great player at best. Never should he be in the category or conversation of best player ever
                          Cause they were not old enough to remember Jordan.
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                          • raiders72001
                            Senior Member
                            • 08-10-05
                            • 11144

                            #14
                            Originally posted by bradleysnyder
                            Jordan was never as quick and strong as lebron.........Two diffrent style of players here.Jordan was a good Shooter/Dunk

                            Lebron has really no flaw in any part of his game.Guy can do anything in the clutch.Now that james has good players around him like jordan did James true ability is finally showing.

                            Id take lebron over jordan any day.By the time james career is over i bet he will surpass jordan in every category !!!!
                            lol

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                            [edit]College


                            [edit]Achievements


                            Plaque chronicling Jordan's career achievements at the United Center.


                            [edit]NBA records

                            [edit]Regular season

                            [edit]Scoring

                            Seasons leading the league in scoring: 10 (1986–87-1992–93, 1995–96-1997–98)
                            Consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring: 7 (1986–87-1992–93)

                            Seasons leading the league in total points: 11 (1984–85, 1986–87-1992–93, 1995–96-1997–98)

                            Highest scoring average, points per game, career: 30.12 (32,292/1,072)
                            Seasons averaging 30 or more points per game: 8 (1986–87-1992–93, 1995–96)
                            Games scoring 30 or more points, career: 561
                            Consecutive games scoring 10 or more points: 866,March 25, 1986 toDecember 26, 2001
                            • 840 with the Chicago Bulls; 26 with the Washington Wizards
                            • Jordan failed to score in double digits only once as a Bull (8 points in only 16 minutes of play onMarch 22, 1986 vs. the Cleveland Cavaliers, his fifth game upon returning from a broken foot).

                            Oldest player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring: 35 years, 61 days (1997–98)
                            Oldest player in NBA history to score 50 points in a game: 38 years, 315 days (51 points, vs. New Orleans Hornets,December 29, 2001)
                            Oldest player in NBA history to score 40 points in a game: 40 years, 4 days (43 points, vs. New Jersey Nets,February 21, 2003)
                            • Jordan is also the only player to score 40+ at age 40 or older.
                            • In his final season, Jordan scored 40+ 3 times, 30+ 9 times and 20+ 42 times.

                            [edit]Field goals

                            Seasons leading the league in field goals made: 10 (1986–87-1992–93, 1995–96-1997–98)
                            Consecutive seasons leading the league in field goals made: 7 (1986–87-1992–93)
                            • Also holds second (see below)

                            Seasons leading the league in field goal attempts: 9 (1986–87-1987–88, 1989–90-1992–93, 1995–96-1997–98)
                            [edit]Free throws

                            Free throws made, half: 20, second half, at Miami Heat,December 30, 1992
                            Free throw attempts, half: 23, second half, at Miami Heat,December 30, 1992
                            [edit]Steals

                            Seasons leading the league in steals: 3 (1987–88, 1989–90, 1992–93)
                            Steals, half: 8, first half, at Boston Celtics,November 9, 1988
                            [edit]Personal fouls

                            Personal fouls, quarter: 6, fourth quarter, vs. Detroit Pistons, January 31, 1989
                            [edit]Playoffs

                            [edit]Scoring

                            Points, career: 5,987
                            Highest scoring average, points per game, career: 33.4 (5,987/179)
                            Games scoring 50 or more points, career: 8
                            Consecutive games scoring 50 or more points: 2, vs. Cleveland Cavaliers,April 28, 1988 toMay 1, 1988
                            • Jordan is the only player in NBA history to record back-to-back 50 point games in the playoffs, scoring 50 and 55 in Games 1 and 2 against the Cavs.
                            • He also scored 49 points on April 17, 1986 and 63 on April 20, 1986 in back-to-back games against the Boston Celtics.

                            Games scoring 40 or more points, career: 38
                            Games scoring 30 or more points, career: 109
                            Games scoring 20 or more points, career: 173
                            • Jordan failed to score 20 points only six times in 179 playoff games.

                            Consecutive games scoring 20 or more points: 60, June 2, 1989 to May 11, 1993
                            Consecutive games scoring 10 or more points: 179, April 19, 1985 to June 14, 1998
                            • Jordan's entire playoff career

                            Points, one postseason: 759 (1992)
                            Scoring 35 or more points in all games, any playoff series: Twice
                            5 games, vs. Cleveland Cavaliers, 1988 First Round
                            5 games, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1990 Conference Semifinals


                            Scoring 30 or more points in all games, any playoff series: Seven times
                            3 games, vs. Boston Celtics, 1987 First Round
                            5 games, vs. Cleveland Cavaliers, 1988 First Round
                            5 games, vs. Cleveland Cavaliers, 1989 First Round
                            5 games, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1990 Conference Semifinals
                            3 games, vs. Miami Heat, 1992 First Round
                            6 games, vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals
                            3 games, vs. New Jersey Nets, 1998 First Round


                            Points, 3-game series: 135, vs. Miami Heat, 1992 First Round (45.0 ppg)
                            • Also holds second (see below)

                            Points, 5-game series: 226, vs. Cleveland Cavaliers, 1988 First Round (45.2 ppg)
                            • Also holds second (see below)

                            Points, game: 63, at Boston Celtics,April 20, 1986 (2 OT)
                            • Jordan has 5 of the top 10 highest scoring games by any player in NBA history.

                            [edit]Field goals

                            Field goals made, 3-game series: 53, vs. Miami Heat, 1992 First Round
                            Field goals made, 5-game series: 86, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1990 Conference Semifinals
                            • Also holds second (see below)

                            Field goals made, 6-game series: 101, vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals
                            Field goals made, game: 24, vs. Cleveland Cavaliers,May 1, 1988
                            • Also holds third and fourth (see below)

                            Consecutive field goals made in a game: 13, vs. Los Angeles Lakers,June 5, 1991
                            Field goal attempts, half: 25, first half, vs. Cleveland Cavaliers,May 1, 1988
                            • Also holds second (see below)

                            [edit]Free throws

                            Free throws made, career: 1,463
                            Free throws made, quarter: 13, fourth quarter, vs. Detroit Pistons,May 21, 1991
                            • Tied by Dirk Nowitzki in 2011

                            [edit]NBA Finals

                            [edit]Scoring

                            Highest scoring average, points per game, any championship series: 41.0 (246/6), vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals
                            Points, 6-game series: 246, vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals (41.0 ppg)
                            Consecutive games scoring 40 or more points: 4, vs. Phoenix Suns,June 11, 1993 toJune 18, 1993
                            Consecutive games scoring 20 or more points: 35,June 2, 1991 toJune 14, 1998
                            • Jordan's entire Finals career

                            Scoring 30 or more points in all games, any championship series: 6 games, vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals

                            Points, half: 35, first half, vs. Portland Trail Blazers,June 3, 1992
                            • Also holds second (see below)

                            [edit]Field goals

                            Field goals made, 6-game series: 101, vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals
                            Field goals made, half: 14, twice
                            14, first half, vs. Portland Trail Blazers,June 3, 1992
                            14, first half, vs. Phoenix Suns,June 16, 1993

                            Consecutive field goals made in a game: 13, vs. Los Angeles Lakers,June 5, 1991
                            [edit]Free throws

                            Free throws made, quarter: 9, second quarter, at Utah Jazz,June 11, 1997
                            [edit]Steals

                            Steals, 5-game series: 14, vs. Los Angeles Lakers, 1991 NBA Finals (2.8 spg)
                            [edit]All-Star

                            Field goals made, game: 17, 1988
                            Field goal attempts, career: 233
                            Field goal attempts, game: 27, 2003 (2 OT)
                            Steals, career: 37
                            Blocked shots, half: 4, 1988
                            [edit]Other records

                            [edit]Regular season

                            All-Defensive First Team selections: 9
                            Blocked shots by a guard, career: 893
                            Blocked shots by a guard, season: 131 (1987–88)
                            Highest Player Efficiency Rating, career: 27.91
                            Highest Game Score on record: 64.6, at Cleveland Cavaliers,March 28, 1990
                            Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984–85)
                            • Jordan led the 1984-85 Chicago Bulls in scoring (28.2 ppg), rebounding (6.5 rpg), assists (5.9 apg) and steals (2.4 spg).
                            • Jordan again led the Bulls in four statistics in 1987-88, this time leading the team in scoring (35.0 ppg), assists (5.9 apg), steals (3.2 spg) and blocked shots (1.6 bpg).

                            Second rookie in NBA history to average 20+ points, 5+ rebounds, and 5+ assists (1984–85)

                            One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986–87)

                            First player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocked shots in a season: 236 steals, 125 blocks (1986–87)

                            Only player in NBA history with more than one season of 200 steals and 100 blocked shots: 259 steals, 131 blocks (1987–88)
                            Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987–88)
                            • Jordan averaged 35 points per game.

                            First player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year and Most Valuable Player during his career
                            • David Robinson is the only other player to achieve this.
                            • Hakeem Olajuwon won Defensive Player of the Year and Most Valuable Player during his career, but finished second in Rookie of the Year voting to Jordan in 1984–85.

                            First player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win Defensive Player of the Year during his career

                            Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, win Most Valuable Player, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987–88)
                            First player in NBA history to win Most Valuable Player and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987–88)

                            First player in NBA history to lead the league both in scoring and steals in the same season (1987–88, 1989–90, 1992–93)
                            • Allen Iverson is the only other player to do so, and has performed the feat twice.

                            Fourth player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win the NBA championship in the same season

                            One of three players in history to sweep the Most Valuable Player awards for the regular season, All-Star Game and NBA Finals in the same season (1995–96, 1997–98)

                            One of three players in history to win an Olympic gold medal both as an amateur and professional (1984, 1992)

                            Sixth player in history to win an Olympic gold medal, NCAA championship and NBA championship

                            Only player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year (1984–85), Defensive Player of the Year (1987–88), NBA MVP (1987–88, 1990–91, 1991–92, 1995–96, 1997–98), All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998), and Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
                            Led the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls to the best regular season record in NBA history (72 wins, 10 losses)
                            • Jordan averaged a league-leading 30.4 ppg

                            Led the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls to the best combined regular season and postseason record in NBA history (87 wins, 13 losses)
                            [edit]Playoffs

                            Only player in NBA history to score 15 or more points in all games in his career: 179 games
                            Blocked shots by a guard, career: 158
                            [edit]Finals

                            Most Valuable Player awards: 6 (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
                            • Jordan was named MVP in every Finals appearance. He averaged 33.6 points, 6 rebounds and 6 assists per game for his Finals career.

                            Scoring 20 or more points in all games, career: 35 games
                            • Jordan and Rick Barry are the only players in NBA history to score 20+ in every Finals game.

                            [edit]All-Star

                            Most Valuable Player awards: 3 (1988, 1996, 1998)

                            First player to record a triple-double in All-Star Game history: 14 points, 11 rebounds, 11 assists in 26 minutes (1997)
                            • LeBron James recorded the second triple-double in All-Star Game history in 2011, with 29 points, 12 rebounds, 11 assists in 32 minutes.
                            • Dwyane Wade recorded the third triple-double in All-Star game history in 2012 NBA All-star game, with 24 points, 10 rebounds, 10 assists in 33 minutes

                            [edit]Set with Scottie Pippen

                            Ninth pair of teammates in NBA history to score 40 or more points in the same game: Chicago Bulls (110) at Indiana Pacers (102),February 18, 1996
                            • Jordan: 44 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists, 3 steals, 2 blocks in 42 minutes
                            • Pippen: 40 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 5 steals in 44 minutes

                            One of at least two pairs of teammates in NBA history to record triple-doubles in the same game: Chicago Bulls (126) vs. Los Angeles Clippers (121),January 3, 1989 (OT)
                            • Jordan: 41 points, 10 rebounds, 11 assists (and six steals) in 47 minutes
                            • Pippen: 15 points, 10 rebounds, 12 assists (and two steals) in 42 minutes
                            • Jason Kidd and Vince Carter achieved this feat as well onApril 7, 2007

                            [edit]Ranks 2nd in NBA history

                            † Behind only Wilt Chamberlain. For most of the league's scoring records where Jordan is not the record holder, Chamberlain is the record holder with Jordan following in second.
                            [edit]Regular season

                            Consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring: 3 (1995–96-1997–98)
                            • Also holds the record (see above)

                            Games scoring 50 or more points, career: 31†
                            Games scoring 40 or more points, career: 173†
                            Games scoring 30 or more points, season: 67 (1986–87)†
                            Games scoring 20 or more points, season: 79, twice, (1986–87, 1987–88)†
                            Games scoring 20 or more points, career: 926
                            • Broken by Karl Malone

                            Points, opening game of season: 54, vs. Cleveland Cavaliers,November 3, 1989†
                            Seasons scoring 2,000 or more points: 11 (1984–85, 1986–87-1992–93, 1995–96-1997–98)

                            Consecutive seasons leading the league in field goals made: 3 (1995–96-1997–98)
                            • Also holds the record (see above)

                            Consecutive seasons leading the league in field goal attempts: 4 (1989–90-1992–93)†
                            Free throws made, quarter: 14, twice
                            14, fourth quarter, at Utah Jazz,November 15, 1989
                            14, fourth quarter, at Miami Heat,December 30, 1992

                            • Broken by Vince Carter onDecember 23, 2005
                            • Jordan also made 13 free throws in the second quarter of his last regular season game as a Bull, vs. the New York Knicks onApril 18, 1998.

                            Free throw attempts, quarter: 16, fourth quarter, at Miami Heat,December 30, 1992

                            Consecutive free throws made in a game: 19, vs. New Jersey Nets,February 26, 1987
                            • Shared with others including Bob Pettit on November 22, 1961
                            • Broken by Dominique Wilkins onDecember 8, 1992 (23)

                            Free throws made in a game, one miss: 26-27, vs. New Jersey Nets,February 26, 1987
                            • Jordan made 19 consecutive free throws in the game, an NBA record at the time (see above).
                            • Adrian Dantley made 28 of 29 free throws for the Utah Jazz against the Houston Rockets onJanuary 4, 1984.

                            Steals, career: 2,514

                            Steals, game: 10, vs. New Jersey Nets,January 29, 1988
                            • Jordan played only 27 minutes because of the Bulls' comfortable lead.

                            Games with at least one steal, season: 80 (1988–89)

                            Consecutive seasons leading the league in minutes: 3 (1986–87-1988–89)†
                            Consecutive games with a triple-double: 7,March 25, 1989 to April 6, 1989†[16]

                            [edit]Playoffs

                            List of highest playoff series scoring averages in National Basketball Association history
                            * Enshrined in the Hall of Fame
                            Consecutive games scoring 40 or more points: 4, vs. Phoenix Suns,June 11, 1993 toJune 18, 1993
                            Points per game average, any playoff series: 45.2 (226/5), vs. Cleveland Cavaliers, 1988 First Round
                            • Jordan has 6 of the top 10 playoff series scoring averages by any player in NBA history. The other four are held by Jerry West (46.3, Los Angeles Lakers vs. Baltimore Bullets, 1965), Bernard King (42.6, New York Knicks vs. Detroit Pistons, 1984), Rick Barry (40.8, San Francisco Warriors vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1967), and Elgin Baylor (40.6, Los Angeles Lakers vs. Boston Celtics, 1962), respectively.

                            Points, 3-game series: 131, vs. Boston Celtics, 1986 First Round (43.7 ppg)
                            • Also holds the record (see above)

                            Points, 4-game series: 147, vs. Milwaukee Bucks, 1990 First Round (36.8 ppg)
                            Points, 5-game series: 215, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1990 Conference Semifinals (43.0 ppg)
                            • Also holds the record (see above)

                            Points, 6-game series: 246, vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals (41.0 ppg)
                            Games scoring 10 or more points, career: 179

                            Consecutive points scored in a game: 17, during second half (from 73 to 90 points), at New York Knicks, June 2, 1993

                            Field goals made, career: 2,188
                            Field goal attempts, career: 4,497
                            Field goals made, 5-game series: 85, vs. Cleveland Cavaliers, 1988 First Round
                            • Also holds the record (see above)

                            Field goals made, half: 14, four times
                            • 14, first half, vs. Cleveland Cavaliers,May 1, 1988
                            • 14, second half, at Philadelphia 76ers,May 11, 1990
                            • 14, first half, vs. Portland Trail Blazers,June 3, 1992
                            • 14, first half, vs. Phoenix Suns,June 16, 1993

                            Field goal attempts, half: 24, second half, at Miami Heat,May 26, 1997
                            • Also holds the record (see above)

                            Three-point field goals made, half: 6, first half, vs. Portland Trail Blazers,June 3, 1992

                            Three-point field goal attempts, half: 9, first half, vs. Portland Trail Blazers,June 3, 1992

                            Free throws made, one postseason: 183 (1989)

                            Free throws made, game (regulation): 23, vs. New York Knicks,May 14, 1989
                            • Broken by Dirk Nowitzki in 2011
                            • Bob Cousy made 30 of 32 free throws in a four-overtime game onMarch 21, 1953.

                            Free throws made, half: 14, second half, vs. Detroit Pistons,May 28, 1990

                            Free throw attempts, career: 1,766

                            Free throw attempts, one postseason: 229 (1989)
                            • Broken by Shaquille O'Neal in 1995

                            Free throw attempts, 4-game series: 58, vs. Milwaukee Bucks, 1985 First Round
                            • Broken by Shaquille O'Neal in 1999

                            Free throw attempts, game (regulation): 28, vs. New York Knicks,May 14, 1989
                            • Broken by Shaquille O'Neal onJune 9, 2000

                            Free throw attempts, half: 17, second half, vs. New York Knicks,May 14, 1989
                            • Broken by Magic Johnson onMay 8, 1991

                            Free throw attempts, quarter: 14, fourth quarter, vs. Detroit Pistons,May 21, 1991
                            • Broken by Shaquille O'Neal onMay 20, 2000

                            Steals, career: 376

                            Steals, 5-game series: 20, vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 1990 Conference Semifinals
                            [edit]Finals

                            Highest scoring average, points per game, career: 33.6 (1,176/35)
                            • Only Rick Barry (360/10) has a higher career average in the Finals.

                            Games scoring 40 or more points, career: 6

                            Consecutive games scoring 30 or more points: 9,June 10, 1992 toJune 20, 1993

                            Points, game: 55, vs. Phoenix Suns,June 16, 1993
                            Points, half: 33, first half, vs. Phoenix Suns,June 16, 1993
                            • Also holds the record (see above)

                            Points, quarter: 22, second quarter, vs. Phoenix Suns,June 16, 1993
                            Field goals made, game: 21, vs. Phoenix Suns,June 16, 1993
                            Field goals made, quarter: 9, second quarter, vs. Phoenix Suns,June 16, 1993
                            Field goals made, 5-game series: 63, vs. Los Angeles Lakers, 1991 NBA Finals

                            [COLOR=#000000][FONT=sans-serif]Field goal attempts, 6-game series: 199, vs. Phoenix Suns, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_NBA_Finals"]1993 NBA F
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                            • bradleysnyder
                              Restricted User
                              • 04-18-07
                              • 6662

                              #15
                              Originally posted by cubfan2121
                              Your confused
                              when you say "guy can do anything in the clutch" you were referring to Jordan
                              I dont ever remember James shooting over Craig Elho (twice) during the playoffs.
                              I dont remember James winning an nba champion on the final possession vs Utah.

                              You must have missed the memo that James left to go to another team
                              While Jordan, Magic and Bird have publicly said back they wanted to win a championship by themself, not go to another established team.

                              Why cant people just accept that Jordan is the best player ever and James just so happens to be the best player playing the game today.
                              James will be considered a great player at best. Never should he be in the category or conversation of best player ever

                              This is all laughable.Craig Elho??LMAO!!!!

                              And jordan did not have to leave his team because he had good ass players all around him unlike james in cleveland.James is not even half way through his career and you say stuff like this?Come on.Jmaes did not have to make a last second shot to win.YOUR RIGHT,HE JUST STEAM ROLLED THE THUNDER DOWN.

                              And james going to an established team???LMAOOOOOOOOO.The heat were NOTHING before james showed up.Wade was getting old and they were not even close to title contenders.

                              Why dont you wait about O SAY 10 more years and THEN your mentioned comments MIGHT be valid.

                              Craig Elho....hahahahahahahahahlmaoooooooooooo ooo.James is a SUPER JORDAN.WAIT AND SEE.Bird,magic and Jordan never played for a shit hole team like the cavs either.1 man cant win a title and if you believe that then your just being ignorant.Basketball is a TEAM SPORT.The cavs never were a TEAM.It was a one man show,Why do you think james left.Pisses me off when you dumb fools say jordan is the best player ever.Basketball was WAY diffrent then than it is now.Look at the size of players just from evolution alone.You can not really compare the jordan era to the era of today.The NBA is a diffrent league and your comparing players that really could never be compared because of age.Like i said give james a whole career like jordan and see what he does.Hes not even half done!
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                              • raiders72001
                                Senior Member
                                • 08-10-05
                                • 11144

                                #16
                                This tells it all. LeBron throws up a lot of clunkers in the playoffs. That didn't happen with Jordan.

                                Playoffs

                                Only player in NBA history to score 15 or more points in all games in his career: 179 games
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                                • raiders72001
                                  Senior Member
                                  • 08-10-05
                                  • 11144

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by bradleysnyder
                                  This is all laughable.Craig Elho??LMAO!!!!

                                  And jordan did not have to leave his team because he had good ass players all around him unlike james in cleveland.James is not even half way through his career and you say stuff like this?Come on.Jmaes did not have to make a last second shot to win.YOUR RIGHT,HE JUST STEAM ROLLED THE THUNDER DOWN.

                                  And james going to an established team???LMAOOOOOOOOO.The heat were NOTHING before james showed up.Wade was getting old and they were not even close to title contenders.

                                  Why dont you wait about O SAY 10 more years and THEN your mentioned comments MIGHT be valid.

                                  Craig Elho....hahahahahahahahahlmaoooooooooooo ooo.James is a SUPER JORDAN.WAIT AND SEE.Bird,magic and Jordan never played for a shit hole team like the cavs either.1 man cant win a title and if you believe that then your just being ignorant.Basketball is a TEAM SPORT.The cavs never were a TEAM.It was a one man show,Why do you think james left.Pisses me off when you dumb fools say jordan is the best player ever.Basketball was WAY diffrent then than it is now.Look at the size of players just from evolution alone.You can not really compare the jordan era to the era of today.The NBA is a diffrent league and your comparing players that really could never be compared because of age.Like i said give james a whole career like jordan and see what he does.Hes not even half done!
                                  Jordan played with awful players.

                                  Totals

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                                  1 Michael Jordan 21 82 82 3144 837 1625 .515 9 52 .173 630 746 .845 167 367 534 481 196 69 291 285 2313
                                  2 Orlando Woolridge 25 77 76 2816 679 1225 .554 0 5 .000 409 521 .785 158 277 435 135 58 38 178 185 1767
                                  3 Quintin Dailey 24 79 0 2101 525 1111 .473 7 30 .233 205 251 .817 57 151 208 191 71 5 154 192 1262
                                  4 Steve Johnson 27 74 54 1659 281 516 .545 0 3 .000 181 252 .718 146 291 437 64 37 62 151 265 743
                                  5 Dave Corzine 28 82 50 2062 276 568 .486 0 1 .000 149 200 .745 130 292 422 140 32 64 124 189 701
                                  6 Wes Matthews 25 78 38 1523 191 386 .495 2 16 .125 59 85 .694 16 51 67 354 73 12 124 133 443
                                  7 Dave Greenwood 27 61 28 1523 152 332 .458 0 1 .000 67 94 .713 108 280 388 78 34 18 63 190 371
                                  8 Ennis Whatley 22 70 44 1385 140 313 .447 1 9 .111 68 86 .791 34 67 101 381 66 10 144 141 349
                                  9 Rod Higgins 25 68 5 942 119 270 .441 10 37 .270 60 90 .667 55 92 147 73 21 13 49 91 308
                                  10 Sidney Green 24 48 1 740 108 250 .432 0 4 .000 79 98 .806 72 174 246 29 11 14 68 102 295
                                  11 Jawann Oldham 27 63 0 993 89 192 .464 0 1 .000 34 50 .680 79 157 236 31 11 127 58 166 212
                                  12 Caldwell Jones 34 42 32 885 53 115 .461 0 2 .000 36 47 .766 49 162 211 34 12 31 40 125 142
                                  13 Charles Jones 27 3 0 29 2 4 .500 0 0 4 6 .667 2 4 6 1 0 5 4 6 8
                                  14 Chris Engler 25 3 0 3 1 2 .500 0 0 0 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 1 1 2
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                                  • raiders72001
                                    Senior Member
                                    • 08-10-05
                                    • 11144

                                    #18
                                    2nd year
                                    Totals

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                                    1 Orlando Woolridge 26 70 59 2248 540 1090 .495 4 23 .174 364 462 .788 150 200 350 213 49 47 174 186 1448
                                    2 George Gervin 33 82 75 2065 519 1100 .472 4 19 .211 283 322 .879 78 137 215 144 49 23 161 210 1325
                                    3 Sidney Green 25 80 68 2307 407 875 .465 0 8 .000 262 335 .782 208 450 658 139 70 37 220 292 1076
                                    4 Gene Banks 26 82 33 2139 356 688 .517 0 19 .000 183 255 .718 178 182 360 251 81 10 139 212 895
                                    5 Charles Oakley 22 77 30 1772 281 541 .519 0 3 .000 178 269 .662 255 409 664 133 68 30 175 250 740
                                    6 Kyle Macy 28 82 79 2426 286 592 .483 58 141 .411 73 90 .811 41 137 178 446 81 11 117 201 703
                                    7 Dave Corzine 29 67 4 1709 255 519 .491 3 12 .250 127 171 .743 132 301 433 150 28 53 104 133 640
                                    8 Quintin Dailey 25 35 0 723 203 470 .432 0 8 .000 163 198 .823 20 48 68 67 22 5 67 86 569
                                    9 Michael Jordan 22 18 7 451 150 328 .457 3 18 .167 105 125 .840 23 41 64 53 37 21 45 46 408
                                    10 John Paxson 25 75 3 1570 153 328 .466 15 50 .300 74 92 .804 18 76 94 274 55 2 63 172 395
                                    11 Jawann Oldham 28 52 47 1276 167 323 .517 0 1 .000 53 91 .582 112 194 306 37 28 134 86 206 387
                                    12 Mike Holton 24 24 0 447 73 155 .471 1 10 .100 24 38 .632 10 20 30 48 23 0 23 40 171
                                    13 Mike Smrek 23 38 5 408 46 122 .377 0 2 .000 16 29 .552 46 64 110 19 6 23 29 95 108
                                    14 Tony Brown 25 10 0 132 18 41 .439 0 2 .000 9 13 .692 5 11 16 14 5 1 4 16 45
                                    15 Rod Higgins 26 5 0 81 9 23 .391 0 1 .000 5 6 .833 3 4 7 5 4 3 2 11 23
                                    16 Billy McKinney 30 9 0 83 10 23 .435 0 0 2 2 1.000 1 4 5 13 3 0 2 9 22
                                    17 Ron Brewer 30 4 0 18 3 9 .333 0 0 1 1 1.000 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 7
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                                    • raiders72001
                                      Senior Member
                                      • 08-10-05
                                      • 11144

                                      #19
                                      3rd year

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                                      Roster

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                                      20 Gene Banks F-G 6-7 215 May 15, 1959 5 Duke University
                                      17 Mike Brown C-F 6-9 257 July 19, 1963 R George Washington University
                                      11 Fred Cofield G 6-3 190 January 4, 1962 1 Eastern Michigan University
                                      22 Steve Colter G 6-3 165 July 24, 1962 2 New Mexico State University
                                      40 Dave Corzine C 6-11 250 April 25, 1956 8 DePaul University
                                      25 Earl Cureton F-C 6-9 210 September 3, 1957 6 University of Detroit Mercy
                                      30 Darren Daye F-G 6-8 220 November 30, 1960 3 University of California, Los Angeles
                                      23 Michael Jordan G-F 6-6 195 February 17, 1963 2 University of North Carolina
                                      10 Pete Myers G-F 6-6 180 September 15, 1963 R University of Arkansas at Little Rock
                                      34 Charles Oakley F-C 6-8 225 December 18, 1963 1 Virginia Union University
                                      5 John Paxson G 6-2 185 September 29, 1960 3 University of Notre Dame
                                      50 Ben Poquette F-C 6-9 235 May 7, 1955 9 Central Michigan University
                                      6 Brad Sellers C-F 7-0 210 December 17, 1962 R Ohio State University
                                      3 Sedale Threatt G 6-2 175 September 10, 1961 3 West Virginia University Institute of Technology
                                      21 Elston Turner G-F 6-5 190 June 10, 1959 5 University of Mississippi
                                      31 Granville Waiters C 6-11 225 January 8, 1961 3 Ohio State University
                                      12-24 Perry Young G 6-5 210 August 4, 1963 R Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State Universit


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                                      • bradleysnyder
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 04-18-07
                                        • 6662

                                        #20
                                        All those stats and achievements posted about jordan are GREAT....BUT lets remeber lebron is not even half way done yet.So how can you compare the 2 YET?

                                        Its gonna take another 10 years before you can really make a good case for any of this.Lebron was still pissing the bed when jordan was playing ball.So lets not jump the gun here.I bet lebron will do some amazing stuff in the years ahead.

                                        Also what about jordan when he tried to make a comeback with the wizards?That went well eh?Dont see anything in your argument talking about that!!!!!!Its all when he played with pippen by his side!This really is a pointless argument because lebron has a long way to go before you can compare the 2

                                        Jordan was a great ball player.The BEST ever as of now,but your failing to give lebron the chance to play as many years in the NBA as jordan did.Like i said in 10 years this would be a great debate.As of now its nothing more than a debate and offer of opinion.Guaranteed the people posting this crap about jordan are lebron haters anyways.So its all biased bullshit until lebron has as many years under his belt as jordan
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                                        • raiders72001
                                          Senior Member
                                          • 08-10-05
                                          • 11144

                                          #21
                                          Season 4 with Pippen. Pippen didn't start one game. Bulls still went 50-32

                                          Totals

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                                          1 Michael Jordan 24 82 82 3311 1069 1998 .535 7 53 .132 723 860 .841 139 310 449 485 259 131 252 270 2868
                                          2 Charles Oakley 24 82 82 2816 375 776 .483 3 12 .250 261 359 .727 326 740 1066 248 68 28 241 272 1014
                                          3 Dave Corzine 31 80 32 2328 344 715 .481 1 9 .111 115 153 .752 170 357 527 154 36 95 109 149 804
                                          4 Brad Sellers 25 82 76 2212 326 714 .457 1 7 .143 124 157 .790 107 143 250 141 34 66 91 174 777
                                          5 John Paxson 27 81 30 1888 287 582 .493 33 95 .347 33 45 .733 16 88 104 303 49 1 64 154 640
                                          6 Scottie Pippen 22 79 0 1650 261 564 .463 4 23 .174 99 172 .576 115 183 298 169 91 52 131 214 625
                                          7 Horace Grant 22 81 6 1827 254 507 .501 0 2 .000 114 182 .626 155 292 447 89 51 53 86 221 622
                                          8 Sam Vincent 24 29 27 953 138 309 .447 3 8 .375 99 107 .925 18 85 103 244 34 12 84 82 378
                                          9 Sedale Threatt 26 45 0 701 132 263 .502 2 20 .100 32 41 .780 12 43 55 107 27 3 44 71 298
                                          10 Rory Sparrow 29 55 25 992 112 274 .409 2 12 .167 24 33 .727 14 56 70 162 37 3 52 72 250
                                          11 Mike Brown 24 46 27 591 78 174 .448 0 1 .000 41 71 .577 66 93 159 28 11 4 38 85 197
                                          12 Artis Gilmore 38 24 23 372 41 80 .513 0 0 19 37 .514 15 48 63 9 5 12 28 54 101
                                          13 Granville Waiters 27 22 0 114 9 29 .310 0 1 .000 0 2 .000 9 19 28 1 2 15 6 26 18
                                          14 Elston Turner 28 17 0 98 8 30 .267 0 0 1 2 .500 8 2 10 9 8 0 10 5 17
                                          15 Tony White 22 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0


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                                          • raiders72001
                                            Senior Member
                                            • 08-10-05
                                            • 11144

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by bradleysnyder
                                            All those stats and achievements posted about jordan are GREAT....BUT lets remeber lebron is not even half way done yet.So how can you compare the 2 YET?

                                            Its gonna take another 10 years before you can really make a good case for any of this.Lebron was still pissing the bed when jordan was playing ball.So lets not jump the gun here.I bet lebron will do some amazing stuff in the years ahead.

                                            Also what about jordan when he tried to make a comeback with the wizards?That went well eh?Dont see anything in your argument talking about that!!!!!!Its all when he played with pippen by his side!This really is a pointless argument because lebron has a long way to go before you can compare the 2

                                            Jordan was a great ball player.The BEST ever as of now,but your failing to give lebron the chance to play as many years in the NBA as jordan did.Like i said in 10 years this would be a great debate.As of now its nothing more than a debate and offer of opinion.Guaranteed the people posting this crap about jordan are lebron haters anyways.So its all biased bullshit until lebron has as many years under his belt as jordan
                                            Look year by year. Compare 1st year to 1st year, 2nd to second. Or guy by age. Jordan always wins.
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                                            • soccerzyko
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 11-28-11
                                              • 493

                                              #23
                                              At +125 odds, and given his history, Jordan would probably bet on himself to lose.
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                                              • raiders72001
                                                Senior Member
                                                • 08-10-05
                                                • 11144

                                                #24
                                                Not in the same league. People always talk about how much bigger the players are today. The players on the 1992 dream team were bigger than the other Olympic teams.
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                                                • darkhat
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 08-18-10
                                                  • 5722

                                                  #25


                                                  Have you ever watched jordan play.. are you insane.
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                                                  • bradleysnyder
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 04-18-07
                                                    • 6662

                                                    #26
                                                    The players you note jordan played with ARE NOT as athletic as the talent in the NBA today.Its a wayyyyy tougher league then its ever been.AND go look at the players that jams played with his 1st,2nd and 3rd year!!!!NOTHING compared to who jordan had.NOTHING.

                                                    You even said it yourself.He made a last second shot to beat the jazz.Thats not exactly impressive.IT WAS A LAST SECOND SHOT

                                                    LIKE I SAID.GIVE IT 10 YEARS AND WE WILL SEE
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                                                    • bradleysnyder
                                                      Restricted User
                                                      • 04-18-07
                                                      • 6662

                                                      #27
                                                      Lebron James defense is FAR superior to Jordans.MJ could notttttt run the floor like lebron and swat people from behind like lebron does frequently.James is a better defensive player period.No matter what you say,thats already an established fact,
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                                                      • jrmartin.mig
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 11-29-10
                                                        • 624

                                                        #28
                                                        Simple way for Jordan to win: just tell Lebron every shot is the game winner. He thinks that and Jordan wins 21-3.
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                                                        • PaperTrail07
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 08-29-08
                                                          • 20423

                                                          #29
                                                          ill say this...people get a little too excited when Lebron hits a 3......tells you 1 thing....he is not that good at shooting 3's....

                                                          I love debates with no good answer....lol...DONKEY KONG IS BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!
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                                                          • PaperTrail07
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 08-29-08
                                                            • 20423

                                                            #30
                                                            players get better everyfuckkkn day....training, nutrition, diets, more people playing ect.....like comparing Gretsky to an average starting player in the NHL.....the player today is probably "better"...but its about time and place.....what you do VS your competition in your ERA....there will NEVER be another Jordan....and there will be more Lebrons....
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                                                            • Popcorn Trick
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 10-20-12
                                                              • 810

                                                              #31
                                                              Okay....And Not cool Raiders.
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                                                              • mosswoods21
                                                                SBR Sharp
                                                                • 10-25-12
                                                                • 307

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by PaperTrail07
                                                                players get better everyfuckkkn day....training, nutrition, diets, more people playing ect.....like comparing Gretsky to an average starting player in the NHL.....the player today is probably "better"...but its about time and place.....what you do VS your competition in your ERA....there will NEVER be another Jordan....and there will be more Lebrons....
                                                                pretty much this. its all relative. in his time/era, michael jordan was the far superior player to lebron james. jordan was more dominant than james is today. players are bigger, faster, and stronger today, so the competition is tougher for lebron than it was for jordan. given that lebron is bigger, stronger, and equally as quick, but jordan having the massive advantage mentally, it would be a close game. probably a pick em.
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                                                                • dymd3z
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 01-01-12
                                                                  • 1923

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Michael Jordan will go down as the best player to ever played in the NBA. Regardless if it was 20 years ago or 2 days ago. Anyone who thinks Lebron is better than Michael Jordan is crazy. Not saying Lebron is not a bad NBA player, of course he is awesome at this game and is 1 of the best, but not the best. I am sure some of you, or should I say those that do think Lebron is better than Jordan are those who did not grow up watching Jordan play from day 1 he stepped on the court. You are seeing today what Lebron is all about and apparently never watched Jordan play ball through his years. But this will always be your so called "opinion", As stated, Michael Jordan is the best that ever played on the hardwood and the best that played the game, there will never be another Jordan.. Just my .02 have a good day and GL on your plays.
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                                                                  • BettingWizard
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 11-28-09
                                                                    • 6522

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by bradleysnyder
                                                                    Lebron James defense is FAR superior to Jordans.MJ could notttttt run the floor like lebron and swat people from behind like lebron does frequently.James is a better defensive player period.No matter what you say,thats already an established fact,

                                                                    I'd take Pippen over Lebron for defense hands down, and all the bulls coaches said Jordan was a better lockdown defender than Pippen


                                                                    40 years old

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                                                                    • brainfreeze0
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 03-19-12
                                                                      • 2146

                                                                      #35
                                                                      As others have stated, anyone saying this has probably not been watching NBA since Jordan was playing. Jordan is the best that ever played. I won't say the best that ever will play because the future holds any possibility, but Lebron is certainly not in his league.
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