Trout snubbed of gold glove award

Chi_archie · 10-30-12, 10:13 PM

wow

Deuce · 10-30-12, 10:14 PM

stealthyburrito · 10-30-12, 10:22 PM

Interesting that one of the worst fielding teams in the AL lead the pack in gold gloves.

Kaabee · 10-30-12, 10:49 PM

victim of the new system where it's position specific for outfielders.

antifoil · 10-30-12, 11:04 PM

it is well know they don't give gold gloves to the best defenders. but the best offensive players at that position as seen by the voters. i mean if gold gloves was given out to the best defenders jeter wouldnt have any.

adam jones was a terrible defender this year.

Jeffie · 10-31-12, 12:09 AM

How the fawk does this happen... whoever voted should die.

neverstoppers23 · 10-31-12, 12:12 AM

gold gloves never make sense. they give them to people like jeter, and wright. its all about perception in big markets. thats who usually gets it. some voters probably snubbed him because he is a rookie too. which could be a sign to why he wont win mvp probably.

yisman · 10-31-12, 12:14 AM

Gold gloves are not based on which player was the best fielder at his position. They should be, but they aren't.

No coincidences · 10-31-12, 12:14 AM

horrific

Regul8er · 10-31-12, 08:39 AM

Say what you want about Trout, but the funny thing is he's not even the best defensive center field on his own team.
Peter Bourjos replaced him in center in almost every Halos game I watched this year when they had a late lead.

Adamho · 10-31-12, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by Regul8er

Say what you want about Trout, but the funny thing is he's not even the best defensive center field on his own team.
Peter Bourjos replaced him in center in almost every Halos game I watched this year when they had a late lead.

This

BigPage25 · 11-01-12, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by Regul8er

Say what you want about Trout, but the funny thing is he's not even the best defensive center field on his own team.
Peter Bourjos replaced him in center in almost every Halos game I watched this year when they had a late lead.

Thats because peter doesn't play the corner outfield spots as well as trout duh

LT Profits · 11-01-12, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by neverstoppers23

gold gloves never make sense. they give them to people like jeter, and wright. its all about perception in big markets. thats who usually gets it. some voters probably snubbed him because he is a rookie too. which could be a sign to why he wont win mvp probably.

Well he shouldn't win MVP anyway, although I do agree that he may best all-around player in baseball. But in regards to MVP, winning the triple crown HAS to be rewarded because of the 45-year wait. At least Trout runs away with ROY.

Regul8er · 11-01-12, 08:13 AM

BigPage...or because Peter is a better Centerfielder??

I agree with LT on MVP.......besides Cabrera put his team on his back, and carried the Tigers all the way to the World Series. Angels were irrelevant all year.

yisman · 11-01-12, 12:15 PM

Cabrera didn't carry the Tigers to the World Series. He was not good in the playoffs.

Also, the Angels were a better team than Detroit, and played in a better division. They finished with a better record.

Chi_archie · 11-01-12, 12:18 PM

what was the Angels record before Trout got called up to the minors?

face · 11-01-12, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by Regul8er

Angels were irrelevant all year.

they were third in their division all year. spent all that money for third place

at least yankees made playoffs

Chi_archie · 11-01-12, 12:45 PM

same record as the tigers right?

they just happened to be in a way tougher division

face · 11-01-12, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

they just happened to be in a way tougher division

yea but they played a's and rangers tons of times, they could have made the division not as tough if they were better.

Chi_archie · 11-01-12, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by face

yea but they played a's and rangers tons of times, they could have made the division not as tough if they were better.

well they were 10-9 vs Texas and 9-10 vs the A's I think they were about the same as those two talented teams.

my point is I think the Angels were better than the Tigers though.

Tigers lost 1 game more than the Angels while playing the likes of 90 loss teams like KC, Cleveland, Minn and over-achieving Chi-sox.

point being that in response to Regular's post, about Cabrera helping his team more. Trout actually helped his team win 1 more game in terms of schedule

but if you look at it in terms of when Trout came up on april 28th when the Angels were 6-13.

Trout carried his team to a better record in a much tougher divison going 83-60 since he was added

Regul8er · 11-01-12, 01:59 PM

Who cares what division anyone played in! Why is this even a discussion people??

Tigers made the World Series, largely in part to Miguel Cabrera.......the Angels hit the golf courses early. When you add in that Cabrera won the Triple Crown, there is really no debate over who wins MVP!

yisman · 11-01-12, 03:59 PM

The MVP is based on the regular season.

During the regular season, the Angels were better than the Tigers, and played in a tougher division.

So yeah, if you're basing it on the teams, it's not even a discussion. By the way, Detroit was 13-20 vs. the AL West. They were fortunate to play in a horrible division.

antifoil · 11-01-12, 06:28 PM

lol rbi

Chi_archie · 11-01-12, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by yisman

The MVP is based on the regular season.

During the regular season, the Angels were better than the Tigers, and played in a tougher division.

So yeah, if you're basing it on the teams, it's not even a discussion. By the way, Detroit was 13-20 vs. the AL West. They were fortunate to play in a horrible division.

great points

gryfyn1 · 11-01-12, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Regul8er

Who cares what division anyone played in! Why is this even a discussion people??

Tigers made the World Series, largely in part to Miguel Cabrera.......the Angels hit the golf courses early. When you add in that Cabrera won the Triple Crown, there is really no debate over who wins MVP!

its a discussion, because Trout was better than Cabrera this year, to support Cabrera is to say that Defense, base running, and hits other than Home runs are all meaningless - And using the justification that the Rangers were better than the Royals despite the Fact that the Angels were better than the Tigers seems a weak and confusing way to decide the MVP

k13 · 11-01-12, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by gryfyn1

its a discussion, because Trout was better than Cabrera this year, to support Cabrera is to say that Defense, base running, and hits other than Home runs are all meaningless - And using the justification that the Rangers were better than the Royals despite the Fact that the Angels were better than the Tigers seems a weak and confusing way to decide the MVP

If you win Triple Crown, no one is better than you.

The rest of that is meaningless.

Chi_archie · 11-01-12, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by k13

If you win Triple Crown, no one is better than you.

The rest of that is meaningless.

almost the same as saying "if you win the most games you are the best pitcher"

k13 · 11-01-12, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

almost the same as saying "if you win the most games you are the best pitcher"

Not at all.

It is like saying if you have the lowest E.R.A, the most strikeouts, the most shutouts.

Mr. Teaser · 11-01-12, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

almost the same as saying "if you win the most games you are the best pitcher"

Not even close to the same. More like if you lead the league in Wins, Strikeouts and ERA you're the best pitcher.

antifoil · 11-01-12, 07:59 PM

lol rbi

yisman · 11-01-12, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by k13

If you win Triple Crown, no one is better than you.

The rest of that is meaningless.

the categories don't even make sense.

Why is it batting average rather than hits? Two categories are cumulative, one is not. It could just as well be hits and/or percentage of runners driven in.

Cabrera didn't lead the AL in hits or RBI percentage or on base percentage. He did lead the league in grounding into double plays.

He had a great hitting year. Now, if you ignore defense, baserunning, and ballpark effects, I guess you could say he was the best. But I don't see how you can.

gryfyn1 · 11-01-12, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by k13

If you win Triple Crown, no one is better than you.

Not at all.

It is like saying if you have the lowest E.R.A, the most strikeouts, the most shutouts.

Sure, if you are willing to say that baserunning, defense and all hits other than home runs have no value

k13 · 11-01-12, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by yisman

the categories don't even make sense.

Why is it batting average rather than hits? Two categories are cumulative, one is not. It could just as well be hits and/or percentage of runners driven in.

Cabrera didn't lead the AL in hits or RBI percentage or on base percentage. He did lead the league in grounding into double plays.

He had a great hitting year. Now, if you ignore defense, baserunning, and ballpark effects, I guess you could say he was the best. But I don't see how you can.

Because you can get many hits by just having many at bats and have a crappy average.

.BA has always been one of the most important stats in baseball.

antifoil · 11-01-12, 08:13 PM

k13s real problem in that analogy is he is giving cabrera the full responsible for an rbi while comparing it to a strikeout. we all know that is not the case. cabrera responsibility for a run scored while his is batting is at best 50 percent his unless he hit a homerun.