Okay Guys Betislands Paid me By mistake and want me to pay them back.......

[SplitAces]

BOYS THIS IS A NO BRAINER OF COURSE YOU KEEP THE MONEY AND MOVE ON.THIS HAPPENED TO ME YEARS AGO AT BET AUSTRALIA I SENT THEM OUT 1000 DOLLARS BUT THEY COULDNT PICK IT UP TO THE NEXT DAY I CALLED THEM AND SAID DID YOU GET THE MONEY YET I WANT TO BET A GAME TONIGHT.SO THEY PUT 1000 IN MY ACCOUNT I BET THE GAME AND LOST THE NEXT DAY BET ASTRALIA CALLS ME UP AND SAID THEY COULDNT PICK UP MY WESTE RN UN ION BECAUSE THE NAME WAS SPELLED WRONG THEY WANTED ME TO GO TO W U AND CHANGE THE NAME AND RE SEND THEM THE 1000 DOLLARS.I WENT RIGHT DOWN TO THE OFFICE AND GOT MY MONEY BACK THEY GUY ALLS ME UP AND ASKS ME IF I SENT THE MONEY BACK I TOLD HIM IF HE CALLS MY PHONE AGAIN THERE IS GOING TO BE A BIG PROBLEM I NEVER HEARD FROM HIM AGAIN .

SO BOTTOM LINE THE MONEY IS YOURS JON HAS PLENTY OF MONEY HE IS ALWAYS TELLING US THIS SO 1000 DOLLARS IS CHUMP CHANGE TO JON.ENJOY THE MONEY AND TELL JON THANKS FOR THE NICE CHRISTMAS PRESENT

So it is ok to take money from someone because they have alot of money?
Come on man.

It is ok to take money from someone because they have an online casino and you lost money from an online casino elsewhere before?
Come on man.

Side note- Ive learned my lesson from online casinos. They are all set in favor of house. Generally pay outs are around 95% where similar live games may only have a small house advantage with pay outs at 98% -99.5%.
I've lost probably 15k online in casinos the past 5 years and usually it goes like this....win a little 3-5 sessions then lose 25 hands in a row.
I did my research and the supposed RNG and certificates are bogus. They are usually 5 years old and only state at that time they were consistent as a RNG. I have a math background and when I did the research and looked at the reports and hand histories, I found out the truth and I immediately disabled all my casino accounts from my books. I would recommend the same to all. GL

[ngates815]

yeah turned into a lot of guys trying to justify stealing

just because someone agrees with you that it's ok, doesn't make it ok

i can find 100,000 people in milwaukee that feel it would be ok to take the money, and guess what? they're wrong!

But who says it's wrong? Just because you think it may be, that's just all your opinion. If you're doing something illegal and you mess up, do you really expect someone to just say ohh here you go, I'll fix your problem for you.

Like I said it's all just your opinion on if he was right or wrong to keep the money. It's not like it's his employer that accidentally added another 0 to his paycheck.


-I buy you a beer at the bar, you buy me 1, I go to bathroom and you have another one set up for me. So I gave you 1 and you gave me 2...I leave after my 3rd. So you made the mistake of buying me that extra beer. Because now I've shorted you a beer.
-He gives the book plenty of money and they made the mistake of giving him extra back. Now the book knows not to mess up. You learn from your mistakes.

-If the guy got stiffed by the book like plenty of people do, they learn from their mistake and don't do it again. Betislands needs to chalk this up and maybe fire the idiot who processed this twice and go a different route about who they should be upset about.


If we send somebody an extra part, it's our fault and we tell them to keep it(if they contact us and say they'll send it back, we'll be appreciative)...But we just make sure to pay a little more attention the next time we're shipping shit out.

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

all of you saints might feel different after you get ripped off by a book, I bet those holy-er than thou comments will sound ridiculous...what goes around comes around, for books and players...

[milwaukee mike]

But who says it's wrong? Just because you think it may be, that's just all your opinion. If you're doing something illegal and you mess up, do you really expect someone to just say ohh here you go, I'll fix your problem for you.

Like I said it's all just your opinion on if he was right or wrong to keep the money. It's not like it's his employer that accidentally added another 0 to his paycheck.

of course it's my opinion and also the opinion of every court in the world, willingly taking something that isn't yours is theft

i think deep down it's the opinion of everyone here that was raised right, but they are ignoring their morals and sense of decency, and justifying it because someone else has done the same

[thetrinity]

wat was the resolution to this? asstros banned from here and thats where it stands right now?

[milwaukee mike]

all of you saints might feel different after you get ripped off by a book, I bet those holy-er than thou comments will sound ridiculous...what goes around comes around, for books and players...

believe me i have been ripped off by books, 3800 by pyramid, another 2800 by betonsports

but justice is not properly taken from someone completely different

if target overcharged me $50 10 years ago i'm not going to steal $50 from walmart to make up for it

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

believe me i have been ripped off by books, 3800 by pyramid, another 2800 by betonsports

but justice is not properly taken from someone completely different

if target overcharged me $50 10 years ago i'm not going to steal $50 from walmart to make up for it

target cant just take your $ and tell you to fk off, books can, AND DO...

[ngates815]

of course it's my opinion and also the opinion of every court in the world, willingly taking something that isn't yours is theft

i think deep down it's the opinion of everyone here that was raised right, but they are ignoring their morals and sense of decency, and justifying it because someone else has done the same

Like I said, if someone gives me a check for 500 bucks and I go and cash it (I did no service for them, I just think it's a rich guy handing out money for some reason)....Then he comes and finds me a week later and asks for it back, and says hey that was my mistake for giving that to you.

What do I do in that case? Do I drive the guy to the bank and take time out of my day to go get him the money? And he just tells me thanks. Or do I just laugh and say whatever guy.



And what if Astros never posted this on the board and told you personally what happened, would you tell him to his face that is theft and you better give it back. If he never gloated about it would you feel differently about what happened, if you 2 were friends and the same thing happened?

[Microphone]

These threads pop up like "blackjack online is rigged" threads do. The answer to that is don't play. The answer here is pay back what is not your's.

It's made out like these issues are some huge M.I.T. math problems.

[djefferis]

Well, its their bad, not yours...that said, to start a solid out is hard to find in the US and Jon doesn't forget names (trust me) good or bad.

If your a real gambler, your better off long term to stay in the good graces of a book giving you a free half point across the board, nice bonuses and reasonable fee payouts. Even 2 games a year in your favor with that free half point more than puts 1500 in your pocket that you wouldn't have had.

The whole karma thing is what you make of it, but shrewd gamblers no the value of honesty in this industry-it cuts both ways

[William Walters]

Don't make fun of Lou just because he gets his moneys worth at the buffet

I don't give two shits about the $1,500............what I want to know is who's the fukkin dime piece next to Lou?

[milwaukee mike]

Like I said, if someone gives me a check for 500 bucks and I go and cash it (I did no service for them, I just think it's a rich guy handing out money for some reason)....Then he comes and finds me a week later and asks for it back, and says hey that was my mistake for giving that to you.

What do I do in that case? Do I drive the guy to the bank and take time out of my day to go get him the money? And he just tells me thanks. Or do I just laugh and say whatever guy.



And what if Astros never posted this on the board and told you personally what happened, would you tell him to his face that is theft and you better give it back. If he never gloated about it would you feel differently about what happened, if you 2 were friends and the same thing happened?

i don't really care one way or another if astros keeps the money - doesn't affect me. the things i'm most disturbed at are
1) that comforter, not only is it completely hideous, it is stained
2) people justifying his behavior

i think the difference in your story is that astros was given the money from a transaction that he knew they screwed up. it would be more like if that same person accidentally handed you $500 for a $200 bike you sold them on craigslist.

not the worst thing in the world to keep it, in my younger days i would've probably kept the money too, but i certainly wouldn't have rubbed it in their face by publicly laughing at them and posting pictures of the cash.

[thetrinity]

Well, its their bad, not yours...that said, to start a solid out is hard to find in the US and Jon doesn't forget names (trust me) good or bad.

If your a real gambler, your better off long term to stay in the good graces of a book giving you a free half point across the board, nice bonuses and reasonable fee payouts. Even 2 games a year in your favor with that free half point more than puts 1500 in your pocket that you wouldn't have had.

The whole karma thing is what you make of it, but shrewd gamblers no the value of honesty in this industry-it cuts both ways

sharp post, if he sucks at betting hes better off taking the 1500 and running and being blackballed in the industry.

[thetrinity]

i don't really care one way or another if astros keeps the money - doesn't affect me. the things i'm most disturbed at are
1) that comforter, not only is it completely hideous, it is stained
2) people justifying his behavior

i think the difference in your story is that astros was given the money from a transaction that he knew they screwed up. it would be more like if that same person accidentally handed you $500 for a $200 bike you sold them on craigslist.

not the worst thing in the world to keep it, in my younger days i would've probably kept the money too, but i certainly wouldn't have rubbed it in their face by publicly laughing at them and posting pictures of the cash.

it sounds like from the first post astros knew they had screwed up and were giving him 1500 that wasnt his.

[convick]

target cant just take your $ and tell you to fk off, books can, AND DO...

Show proof that BI has stolen funds from players. Im not talking about "other" books, Im talking specifically about BET ISLANDS.

[MoneyLineDawg]

These threads pop up like "blackjack online is rigged" threads do. The answer to that is don't play. The answer here is pay back what is not your's.

It's made out like these issues are some huge M.I.T. math problems.

Bottomline is Books and sites scam players 24/7 using unfair online casinos, and now a player won't give back $1500?? And we're supposed to care, why?

[WvGambler]

There's never been a point in my life where I would've ever considered keeping this money.

Even when I was a poor, young, clueless kid I would've returned it. Maybe I've always been clueless and still am, but I'm ok with that. Some of you guys are scumbags.

[baskets]

There's never been a point in my life where I would've ever considered keeping this money.

Even when I was a poor, young, clueless kid I would've returned it. Maybe I've always been clueless and still am, but I'm ok with that. Some of you guys are scumbags.

lol. this is the problem w/ you white people in America and your love for ********. you are basing shit off of your love for idealism and being taught a set of principles that don't float in the real world.

when you make posts like that you are at odds with your conditioning... rather than contemplating the real world. if politicians thought like you did, there would not be one high level politician in the history of the world.... or businessman, etc, etc.

when books set up their casino software they specifically rig it so you will lose. they are purposely trying to set you up so that you lose no matter what you do... then they happily invite you in with a smile on their faces and a warm handshake. according to your conditioning above, you should be railing against all books that have online casinos ... b/c they are trying to rob you blind and are being "unfair".

[wantitall4moi]

BOYS THIS IS A NO BRAINER OF COURSE YOU KEEP THE MONEY AND MOVE ON.THIS HAPPENED TO ME YEARS AGO AT BET AUSTRALIA I SENT THEM OUT 1000 DOLLARS BUT THEY COULDNT PICK IT UP TO THE NEXT DAY I CALLED THEM AND SAID DID YOU GET THE MONEY YET I WANT TO BET A GAME TONIGHT.SO THEY PUT 1000 IN MY ACCOUNT I BET THE GAME AND LOST THE NEXT DAY BET ASTRALIA CALLS ME UP AND SAID THEY COULDNT PICK UP MY WESTE RN UN ION BECAUSE THE NAME WAS SPELLED WRONG THEY WANTED ME TO GO TO W U AND CHANGE THE NAME AND RE SEND THEM THE 1000 DOLLARS.I WENT RIGHT DOWN TO THE OFFICE AND GOT MY MONEY BACK THEY GUY ALLS ME UP AND ASKS ME IF I SENT THE MONEY BACK I TOLD HIM IF HE CALLS MY PHONE AGAIN THERE IS GOING TO BE A BIG PROBLEM I NEVER HEARD FROM HIM AGAIN .

SO BOTTOM LINE THE MONEY IS YOURS JON HAS PLENTY OF MONEY HE IS ALWAYS TELLING US THIS SO 1000 DOLLARS IS CHUMP CHANGE TO JON.ENJOY THE MONEY AND TELL JON THANKS FOR THE NICE CHRISTMAS PRESENT

thats a little different, you got a free shot at them. had your bet won and you requested a pay out and got it, before they picked up the **, then you would have had a similar situation as to this one.

Book screwed up, they have a horrible accounting department for one. Or are so desperate for good word of mouth they process stuff and let it go. The only thing that most guys would feel sorry about is if the person who processed t got fired because they didnt do it 'correctly'. But in this guys case I doubt that would bug him either.

[prop]

Okay couple scenarios from real life:

1) One time checking out the Venetian had $83.00 in room charges, I give $100 and the lady hands me $83.00 as change (no lie, happened). I correct her, keep $17.00 and give back the rest.

2) I bought my daughter some video game system and a bunch of games. The system cost like $200 it rang up as $25.00 showing the wrong product. Cashier does look a little confused but I pay what the screen says, she gives me the change and I leave.

In neither scenario would I even think about doing it different in the future, both were easy plays.

[HedgeHog]

lol. this is the problem w/ you white people in America and your love for ********. you are basing shit off of your love for idealism and being taught a set of principles that don't float in the real world.

when you make posts like that you are at odds with your conditioning... rather than contemplating the real world. if politicians thought like you did, there would not be one high level politician in the history of the world.... or businessman, etc, etc.

when books set up their casino software they specifically rig it so you will lose. they are purposely trying to set you up so that you lose no matter what you do... then they happily invite you in with a smile on their faces and a warm handshake. according to your conditioning above, you should be railing against all books that have online casinos ... b/c they are trying to rob you blind and are being "unfair".

So you think this is a racial/cultural issue? American Whites have more ethics than others? Glad you're making this argument and not me and I'll let someone else address that point. What I find lame is the casino argument several are making, because no one is forcing you to play those type of games. Same goes for the horses, which is BI's weakest offerring. But again, no one is forcing you to play the ponies there.

There really is no justification for keeping the 2nd payout. OP initiated the original withdrawal and it should have been voided after he bet off of it. BI missed it in their haste to pay him quickly--like they do everyone. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if they slow their payouts a little so they don't run into this situation again. We can thank the OP for that if it happens.

[baskets]

lol, HH, you ran that scam on BI ..... and here you are to defend them?

you got some balls, bro.

the OP just took the money and said 'C-YA'. you, on the other hand, knowingly walked into the store, swindled up a scam on the cashier, then took your money.... and then made a thread about your swindle and how you were wronged.....

that takes some serious balls.

I've defended you in the past b/c you've made a lot of solid posts, but that shit you ran with BI was snakeoil salesman-esque, bro.


And now you jump into this thread about what is right???? You are by no means on par with durito, but you sure are getting there. Geez.



Btw, go live in Haiti and report back to me, bro.

[baskets]

No one forces you to play the casino games... you are absolutely corrrect.

But that doesn't change the fact that they are set up to fleece your ass off. With sports you have a chance, but the online casino you are toast. If all books had the "beautiful Mary Poppins ethics" you ascribe them, they would remove all online casinos in order to be ......


....... gulp ........... double-gulp ........... "FAIR"!





you got to be kidding me, HH.

[HedgeHog]

lol, HH, you ran that scam on BI ..... and here you are to defend them?

you got some balls, bro.

the OP just took the money and said 'C-YA'. you, on the other hand, knowingly walked into the store, swindled up a scam on the cashier, then took your money.... and then made a thread about your swindle and how you were wronged.....

that takes some serious balls.

I've defended you in the past b/c you've made a lot of solid posts, but that shit you ran with BI was snakeoil salesman-esque, bro.


And now you jump into this thread about what is right???? You are by no means on par with durito, but you sure are getting there. Geez.



Btw, go live in Haiti and report back to me, bro.

I didn't scam/swindle anyone. I got the same bonus others were offered, and I still need to bet over 15k to earn it--some scam...... But keep comparing apples to oranges to justify what the OP did here. And yes, casino games are horrible, but you can't blame the Book for your own lack of restraint. It's like blaming the liquor store that sold you the rum which got you drunk and led to your DUI.

[Blissit02]

Jon, I'll give you back the 1500 Astros STOLE from you. for 2000FP with a 2X roll over?

As for you Astros, I'm from Houston, I'm a die hard astros fan. And you sir are a piece of SHIT. I'd like to know where your pharmacy is, I'd like to apply and run the register. I'll make sure to double every fuckers change when they pay in cash.

For you penetrates saying books scam you all the time? Why the hell are you sending them money then? Are the casinos rigged? penetrate ya they are, there is no denying that. But they aint forcing you to sit down.

This thread is very very disappointing. No wonder the US is becoming a shit hole. I thought Texans held a higher standard. Guess this penetrate proved me wrong.

[mw00]

whether or not you keep your money is up to you...but just stupid to make a thread about it and rub it in a book's face, much less a sponsor. should just keep your mouth shut and go about your day.

[sharpcat]

SBR should start reviewing these cases as watchdogs for the books and if the player is determined to be a thieving scumbag like astros then SBR should submit the players name to every book and blacklist that player so they can never bet anywhere again.

I am tired of hearing about broke ass fukks who make it complicated for the rest of us to cashout from books over a measly $1500.

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

Show proof that BI has stolen funds from players. Im not talking about "other" books, Im talking specifically about BET ISLANDS.

i agree that BI was on the bad side of THIS deal, Im just saying that it shouldnt be too shocking that a player decided to turn around a stiff a book...

[Scooter]

Unreal to be a big enough scumbag to do this ans then to come on SBR ans brag about it is bizarre.

Bragging about stealing.

+1.

[MoneyLineDawg]

I didn't scam/swindle anyone. I got the same bonus others were offered, and I still need to bet over 15k to earn it--some scam...... But keep comparing apples to oranges to justify what the OP did here. And yes, casino games are horrible, but you can't blame the Book for your own lack of restraint. It's like blaming the liquor store that sold you the rum which got you drunk and led to your DUI.

But you can blame the books for promoting a scam.....Offering you bonuses to entice degenerates to get hooked on a sure-fire moneypit

Just for this reason alone, I don't mind when people "1 up" the book themselves.......

Your mistake for playing a rigged casino, their mistake for paying twice.........Fair trade off to me when it comes to ethics

Neither is "right", but who cares

[BEANTOWNJIM]

O.K. BOYS THIS IS IT IN A NUTSHELL AND YOU TELL ME WHO ON THIS FORUM WOULD RETURN THE MONEY.

I AM ASTROS I AM SITTING HERE LOOKING AT 1500 DOLLARS CASH YOU ARE ASKING ME TO TAKE 1500 DOLLARS OUT OF MY POCKET GO DOWN TO A WESTERN UNON AND SEND THE MONEY BACK TO SOME MILLIONARE

JON SEEMS LIKE A NICE GUY BUT EVERY BOOKIE WANTS YOU TO LOSE AND IF YOU LOSE YOUR HOUSE NO BOOKIE IS GOING TO CARE ABOUT YOU SO WHY SHOULD YOU CARE THAT JON FROM BET ISLANDS LOST 1500 DOLLARS.THATS CHUMP CHANGE TO AN OFFSHORE SPORTSBOOK

HOW COME I NEVER GET BREAKS LIKE THIS THATS ALL I WANT TO KNOW

YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE A REAL IDIOT TO GO DOWN TO A WESTER N UN ION OFFICE AND SEND JON FROM BET ISLANDS BACK 1500 DOLLARS OUT OF YOUR OWN POCKET

[baskets]

Bean, a lot of these guys are just talk.

[prop]

Show proof that BI has stolen funds from players. Im not talking about "other" books, Im talking specifically about BET ISLANDS.

You must be new. If such smoking gun sincere proof existed for any sponsor book once it is posted they yell Code894 in thread #1933740 and handle it. Poster would be discredited or there would be some reason it didn't count. He would then be placed on post moderation so such posts don't through in the future and dozens of paid posters come in to say how great the book is. Other monkeys unaware then repeat. Of course, sort of exaggerating here and speaking in general not BI, but same thing. If you want to learn about any book use Google, search deep, and weigh what is uncovered. You'll rarely will find much truth on forums because can make the best guy look the worse, and worse guy look the best, easy enough on most.

[baskets]

good post by prop

[erickvivar]

Extremely true words by prop. You will never get real cases on a forum, specially where a sponsor is on the line. They will tagged you, hide your posts and moderate any other one who gets to clever for their taste.