Miguel Cabrera best hitter of all time

nic9212 · 10-02-12, 07:16 PM

single

.330 now

paco · 10-02-12, 07:58 PM

2/2 today with another 2 rbis

CanuckG · 10-02-12, 08:00 PM

He'll go 4/4 or 5/5 shit is set up

caseyman011 · 10-02-12, 08:27 PM

Ted Williams was the best hitter ever, I don't even think there's much of a question about it. His numbers were HOF-worthy even with the prime years of his life spent serving our country.

stevenash · 10-03-12, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by caseyman011

Ted Williams was the best hitter ever, I don't even think there's much of a question about it.

Some say Mays, some say Gehrig, some say Ruth, some say Ty Cobb, some say somebody else 25 times before Cabrera even becomes a thought.

paco · 10-03-12, 10:29 AM

Those old timers were batting against 75mph fastballs lmao.

stevenash · 10-03-12, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by paco

Those old timers were batting against 75mph fastballs lmao.

Bob Feller threw 105 mph
Old timers tell stories of Smokey Joe Wood throwin over 100 mph for nine innings a game.
Big Train, Walter Johnson's regular fastball traveled at 138 feet per second (101 mph)
Google the name Steve Dalkowski

CanuckG · 10-03-12, 10:39 AM

No coincidences · 10-03-12, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by paco

Those old timers were batting against 75mph fastballs lmao.

paco, come on. I want to defend you and our boy here, but statements like these make it hard.

yisman · 10-03-12, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by paco

Miggy playing in the 60-70's would have 85 HR's and 200 rbis

swordsandtequila · 10-03-12, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by paco

Those old timers were batting against 75mph fastballs lmao.

That's ridiculous. All sports have made changes to increase offense. In 1969 MLB lowered the mound to help hitters, pitchers were dominating. Bob Gibson had an ERA of 1.12 that year. As stated before, guys like Feller routinely hit 100 mph. If anything it's easier to hit today. Better equipment, hitter friendly ballparks, live baseballs, artificial turf. F*k, if Ruth, Gehrig, Aaron, etc. played in today's Yankee stadium they'd hit 100 home runs. And RBI's are a meaningless stat, totally dependent on your teammates ability to get on base. Cabrera's one of this generations great hitters, but a little perspective please.

blueghost · 10-03-12, 11:28 AM

500 RUNS
960 HITS
183 H.R.
600 RBIs
.321 Batting avg

MIGGYS stats in just 5 yrs with the Tigers..Nuff said ..4 whos the best

stevenash · 10-03-12, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by blueghost

500 RUNS
960 HITS
183 H.R.
600 RBIs
.321 Batting avg

MIGGYS stats in just 5 yrs with the Tigers..Nuff said ..4 whos the best

Albert says hi

Albert Pujols Batting Stats for Years 2001 to 2005

2001-2005	STL	790	3428	2954	629	982	227	11	201	621	29	15	401	344	.332	.416	.621	1.037	167	1834	94	44	1	28	70
Average		158	686	591	126	196	45	2	40	124	6	3	80	69						367	19	9	0	6	14
per 162 games		162	703	606	129	202	47	3	42	128	6	4	83	71						376	20	10	1	6	15

lyon804 · 10-03-12, 11:44 AM

I am not sure he is the best hitter of his generation yet. I'll still have to side with Albert. He has surpassed him at this time but not the overall body of work yet. Albert has had such huge numbers and much bigger moments in the ultimate spot light. Might I add he also has 2 rings? If that is worth anything to you. Can't forget about his 3 hr game in the world series just last year in Texas. That was huge! Miggy a very special hitter nontheless.

stevenash · 10-03-12, 11:47 AM

According to baseball-reference, here's your top 20 all time

1	Babe Ruth+	2907	2157	1630	527	.7557	10-2, 8:46PM
2	Willie Mays+	2722	2354	1524	830	.6474	10-3, 10:58AM
3	Ty Cobb+	2679	2479	1562	917	.6301	10-3, 10:15AM
4	Honus Wagner+	2617	2556	1532	1024	.5994	10-3, 11:41AM
5	Stan Musial+	2610	2618	1568	1050	.5989	10-3, 12:03PM
6	Tris Speaker+	2599	2642	1539	1103	.5825	10-1, 10:54PM
7	Ted Williams+	2594	2477	1582	895	.6387	10-3, 12:48AM
8	Rogers Hornsby+	2586	2621	1546	1075	.5899	10-2, 3:39PM
9	Lou Gehrig+	2577	2500	1511	989	.6044	10-3, 10:52AM
10	Nap Lajoie+	2560	2536	1505	1031	.5935	10-3, 11:59AM
11	Eddie Collins+	2558	2607	1552	1055	.5953	10-3, 6:32AM
12	Mickey Mantle+	2554	2698	1548	1150	.5738	10-2, 5:26AM
13	Hank Aaron+	2554	2521	1501	1020	.5954	10-3, 10:44AM
14	Rickey Henderson+	2485	2586	1506	1080	.5824	10-3, 11:57AM
15	Mel Ott+	2483	2547	1493	1054	.5862	10-3, 11:22AM
16	Jimmie Foxx+	2482	2728	1558	1170	.5711	10-3, 1:29AM
17	Frank Robinson+	2474	2745	1610	1135	.5865	10-2, 10:07PM
18	Eddie Mathews+	2470	2584	1511	1073	.5848	10-3, 6:47AM
19	Mike Schmidt+	2458	2621	1517	1104	.5788	10-3, 10:42AM
20	Alex Rodriguez	2440	7567	4369	3198	.5774	10-3, 11:11AM

kmarinouofm · 10-03-12, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by paco

Not even a debate. Tigers bitches!

Thank u Florida giving us him for a bag of peanuts

your welcome big guy.. how many rings has he gotten you brother ? i know he got one for me really quick =)

stevenash · 10-03-12, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by kmarinouofm

your welcome big guy.. how many rings has he gotten you brother ? i know he got one for me really quick =)

Josh's arm got you that ring, Miggy was awful in that WS. What did he hit? Like a buck sixty?
That game six was a pitching matchup for the ages, Andy threw his heart out and came up short.

crazykind · 10-03-12, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by paco

Those old timers were batting against 75mph fastballs lmao.

yer flat wrong...

Babe Ruth hit more HR's than the entire league...everyone was facing the same 'meatballs', how come nobody else could do it?

the bat technology was far worse too

stevenash · 10-03-12, 01:50 PM

If Miggy goes 0-4, Trout needs to go 4-4 to win batting title.
We have a triple crown winner fellas, unless Josh goes off.

Now, if Joey Bats doesn't get hurt, are we having this conversation today?

Tip of the cap to Miggy for not pulling a Reyes and taking the game (rest of the game) off.

paco · 10-03-12, 08:13 PM

TRIPLE CROWN BABY!!!!

Andy117 · 10-03-12, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

In the dead ball era, in 1931 Lou Gehrig hit .341, hit 46 homers. drove in 184

Now pay attention here, Babe Ruth him right above Lou in the 3 hole, Ruth that season hit 46 homers also.
That means Ruth cleaned up the bases 46 times with homers before Lou even stepped in the box.
Not to mention the numerous times Ruth drove in runners with doubles and single.
184 RBI, in a league of 8, not 30, every major league starter Lou faced in 1931 belonged in the bigs, maybe 65 percent on the pitchers today belong in the majors.

Take a look at Gehrig's career, compare it to Miggy.
Makes Miggy look like a t-ball player.

Miggy had a monster season, yes, best hitter of all time? Hardly?
I change my vote for MVP from Trout to Miggy, but let's get off his rooster, OK, I can name 15 hitters who I can claim 'best of all time' before I go to baseball-reference.com and before I get to my second cup of coffee.

The dead ball era was over well before 1931.

The Giant · 10-03-12, 08:19 PM

Paco, would you trade Miguel Cabrera straight up for Mike Trout?

paco · 10-03-12, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by The Giant

Paco, would you trade Miguel Cabrera straight up for Mike Trout?

penetrate no. Miggy , proven he can do this year in, year out. Trout, fluke rookie year

The Giant · 10-03-12, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by paco

penetrate no. Miggy , proven he can do this year in, year out. Trout, fluke rookie year

Who is the GM of Detroit? Safe to say he doesn't need to worry about losing his job to you.

jjgold · 10-03-12, 08:31 PM

Talk to me when he has 3000 hits

nic9212 · 10-03-12, 09:40 PM

congrats Miguel

darrell74 · 10-03-12, 10:52 PM

Prince fielder deserves credit- a whole ton of it

Last year, he protected Ryan Braun-Braun gets the MVP
This year, solid in the 4 spot behind Cabby

TroyGreen · 10-03-12, 11:10 PM

Im mid 30's and Barry Bonds is hands down the best hitter I've ever seen in my lifetime. I would go with The Splinter for all time but Bonds in my lifetime.

Bonds being Bonds was a pure pull hitter who hit for power and average using just 35 to 50% of the field. Sad thing is Bonds was a good oppo hitter but it just wasnt his style. The game in someways was a joke to Bonds, he was just better than everyone. Bonds could have sprayed the ball every year and hit for close to .400 if he used all the field. Bonds just didnt give a f. He didnt care who knew he was going to pull the ball. Everyone knew, Bonds gets his pitch, Bonds pulls it and drives it.

No Debate!

HOT WINGS · 10-03-12, 11:26 PM

Great year for Miggy. Bet when he was signed as an undrafted free agent nobody ever thought he would get where he is now.

People can argue RBI's is a "luck" stat, but Miggy did hit .356 with RISP and .340 with runners on base which were both 5th in all of baseball.

Best hitter of all time is a stretch, but of his generation guess it's wait and see at this point since he is 3 years younger than Pujols.

darrell74 · 10-03-12, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Talk to me when he has 3000 hits

good point
not even at 2000, obtw

MUHerd37 · 10-03-12, 11:39 PM

Maybe not the best hitter of all time, but he's now a triple crown winner. Only the 16th time a player has won it.

Mantle7 · 10-04-12, 12:48 AM

He was the best hitter of all time imo. If you watch the video look at Bonds swing. It's one of prettiest things I've ever seen. Like Jordan's jumper. Bo Jackson running the football. Tyson's hook.

starfire · 10-04-12, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by paco

Miguel Cabrera best hitter of all time?

Hell No!

Shafted69 · 10-04-12, 01:01 AM

if he played in the Roids Era he would have 100 HR's this season

Mantle7 · 10-04-12, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by Shafted69

if he played in the Roids Era he would have 100 HR's this season

We're still in the Roids era, Buddy. They've never tested for Human Growth Hormone. EVERYBODY could be on it and we wouldn't know. HGH is way more potent then just regular roids like Testosterone and Decca. Cabrera is a big dude and he's gotten a lot bigger. I'm just saying...