Nfl upholds Monday night decision

[Vegas39]

Can't say I'm surprised at the ruling. However I feel worse for Pack players and fans this could have serious implications down the road. And to people like Carroll, Tate, Wilson with their b.s. smug responses and tweets go fukk yourselves. You did not win the game and know it! Just show a little humility and consider yourselves lucky.

Does this shock you from Pete Carroll

[Kaabee]

one of the big problems was that the refs were out of position. by the time they got there, tate had much more control then he initially did (which was pretty much zero).

[RawBillyIce]

With the replay needing to be conclusive, (if in GB it gets OT hands down) because those RR's might have got mauled by the Seattle fans if they OT + being close (where u want to say tie goes to the runner kind of thing... but we ALL saw it was no tie) the RR's made the call they had to.

Let me point out where the mistake is here. The old white ref(looking like he was fishing off the pier and they came up and gave him a job) ... looking str8 down, throws his dumb ass hands in the air (a form of acting out if you ask me) and signals TD. The other Ref signaled for clock not TD.

There is no amount of money you can place on the importance of TOP NOTCH referees! Kind of like is there a dollar amount for 1 year in Prison ? Can you put a dollar amount on that? I guess an Actuary could perhaps but you guys get the point.

The fans will never strike but we hold all the power. If we had a damn union ourselves we could get it all done. ( NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!)

Since this is not a reality, we need more people like Jon Gruden who is not afraid to make statement on National TV, like ( This is horrible and I am ready to jump out of this pressbox)... not the Tony Dungy's who say things like, "We need to look at this as a coach would an injured player and don't make excuses and go forward.

Look folks, The RR's were catching very bad press going into the NE game. That game was whack!!! Followed by GB game the next night. The players should strike (seriously) say this is BS and F u owners we quit till this BS is fixed.

NFL is no longer presently the most professional sport on Earth. It used to be! I think all (Seahawks lovers and Packers lovers.. Republicans and Democrats can agree with me on this statment!"

Peace in the middle phucking East Btchhhhs!

[R.P. McMurphy]

The ref was not out of position to call Tate for the shove he was standing 10 ft away looking right at it!!! These new zebras play to the home crowds though and afraid to make calls at times the right way.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

for those that are confused...

"Rule 8 - Section 3 - Article 1 - Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball."


jennings clearly had the possession first. how can anyone say tate also had the possession when he was holding onto jenning's arm initially and not the ball. also later in the sequence tate's right hand comes off the arm/ball at one point? it's just ludicrous...

[Vegas39]

The ref was not out of position to call Tate for the shove he was standing 10 ft away looking right at it!!! These new zebras play to the home crowds though and afraid to make calls at times the right way.

No doubt he was looking right at Tate as he shoved him

[zoo youk]

When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball.


unbelievable. someone post the pic

[milwaukee mike]

[milwaukee mike]

monitor-tan, nfl officials, and others

please explain to me how tate's hands are on the ball in the picture i just posted

quite clearly his arm is around jennings' neck and neither hand is on the ball

[milwaukee mike]

go to 1:45 and watch

tate's right hand is never on the ball

i hate to beat a dead horse, but a rational person thinking that was simultaneous possession hasn't watched it enough

[zoo youk]

Total cop out by them. You notice, though, they didn't say the call was correct. They were pretty careful not to. They said the call was made, and they support not overturning the call with replay. That's pretty weak. Just admit it's wrong. Heck, guys on here blew up some pretty clear pictures showing Tate with no hands on it while Jennings had it on his chest. So there's evidence it was the wrong call on the field, even if the replay guy doesn't have that technology.

If they want to preserve integrity, just admit it was all fukked up, apologize, and talk about what will be done to improve things going forward.

bingo. that is all anybody wants. I don't think anyone expects them to over turn the call or give GB a win. just admit it was a major colossal fuk up and apologize and say they are working hard to get something done and move in the right direction!

[Vegas39]

bingo. that is all anybody wants. I don't think anyone expects them to over turn the call or give GB a win. just admit it was a major colossal fuk up and apologize and say they are working hard to get something done and move in the right direction!

The problem is they are going to back these replacement jokers as don't think the owners are in any rush to pay regular refs what they want.

[CallMeChip]

"Lingerie Football League confirms former referees are now working as replacement officials in NFL." True story.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/09/25/lingerie-football-league-fired-nfl-replacement-officials/70001098/1#.UGH2Vq6oZ8E

Anyone every gone to one these games? They were actually more fun than watching the current state of the nfl. Titties poppin' out every 2 or 3 plays. Horse collar tackles are replaced with panty ripping tackles. Good times. No one cares about the officiating in that league obviously. It's nice to see the NFL is pulling from such a great talent pool.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

if jennings was the ball, then tate definitely had the ball...

[zoo youk]

The problem is they are going to back these replacement jokers as don't think the owners are in any rush to pay regular refs what they want.

so wait it is the OWNERS that don't want to pay the refs??????

[zoo youk]

if it is the OWNERS that are causing this lock out with the officials than that is just mind blowing that they continue to run these replacements out there after their teams keep getting jobbed. unreal unreal unthinkable greed.

[Monitor-Tan]

for those that are confused...

"Rule 8 - Section 3 - Article 1 - Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball."


jennings clearly had the possession first. how can anyone say tate also had the possession when he was holding onto jenning's arm initially and not the ball. also later in the sequence tate's right hand comes off the arm/ball at one point? it's just ludicrous...

True but while they are in the air, it's considered that no one has possession. They landed on the floor together with both playres having the ball. So it's considered simultaneous possession

[2daBank]

so wait it is the OWNERS that don't want to pay the refs??????

dont even think it bout salary..last i heard it had to do with refs wanting pension and some other shit nfl wasnt gonna concede on cause that sets a precedent for other part time employees or some bs...who cares once ya'll get the other guys back it wont be 20 minutes before the 1st "i cant believe they paid these worthless pricks, bring back the replacements" thread...

[Monitor-Tan]

I still see him having one hand on the ball Mike. and they are clearly down at that point. Can you provide some pictures while they are going down so we can have a closer look?

[yahoonino]

worst call of the century,,,,,,

[milwaukee mike]

I still see him having one hand on the ball Mike. and they are clearly down at that point. Can you provide some pictures while they are going down so we can have a closer look?

yeah go to 1:45 on the video in post 45

all the way to the ground and on the ground jennings has control of that thing

bad calls get made all the time, but to go to replay and not reverse it, and then have all night to watch it and still somehow the league stands by it, is quite ridiculous

[zoo youk]

I still see him having one hand on the ball Mike. and they are clearly down at that point. Can you provide some pictures while they are going down so we can have a closer look?

i am not attacking you but how you can can actually look at that picture and think that Tate deserves to get the call of having possession of the football is absolutely mind blowing to me.

[zoo youk]

yeah go to 1:45 on the video in post 45

all the way to the ground and on the ground jennings has control of that thing

bad calls get made all the time, but to go to replay and not reverse it, and then have all night to watch it and still somehow the league stands by it, is quite ridiculous

[zoo youk]

So MT

with your thinking, now anytime a DB gets an INT as long as the WR gets one hand on the football and they land on the ground with the DB craddling the football to his chest, both arms wrapped around it, while the receiver is on the bottom of him with one hand touching the football, it is a completion for the WR?

[Monitor-Tan]

It's not my thining it's in the NFL rule book stated on nfl.com and why the NFL and the regular officials who took a look at the replay stated. Not me. I'm just going with whathtey said and that I agree that if in fact that is the case and from what I saw on the reply. It seems to be the right call.

The bigger issue is the offensive PI call that wasn't called.

You guys are making a retarded comment and crying about the wrong thing..

Why are you crying about the interception call that could've gone either way.

Cry about the fact that he most blatantly obvious offensive PI call wasn't called right in front of the ref.

[zoo youk]

It's not my thining it's in the NFL rule book stated on nfl.com and why the NFL and the regular officials who took a look at the replay stated. Not me. I'm just going with whathtey said and that I agree that if in fact that is the case and from what I saw on the reply. It seems to be the right call.

The bigger issue is the offensive PI call that wasn't called.

You guys are making a retarded comment and crying about the wrong thing..

Why are you crying about the interception call that could've gone either way.

Cry about the fact that he most blatantly obvious offensive PI call wasn't called right in front of the ref.

gotcha.

well from that standpoint though a PI cant be reviewed and than penalized, so that makes it a moot point. where as the TD can be reviewed and over turned.

[davidchong]

Agree with referee decision.... What we see: Both have the ball, What rule said: Receiver wins the ball.

[jizay]

It's not my thining it's in the NFL rule book stated on nfl.com

The rulebook says "if the WR gets one hand on the football and they land on the ground with the DB craddling the football to his chest, both arms wrapped around it, while the receiver is on the bottom of him with one hand touching the football, it is a completion for the WR"? I missed that. I did see where the rulebook said that putting your hands on a ball that another player possesses is not simultaneous possession, which is what more than 90% of us are seeing, including several experienced NFL officials who have publicly commented today. Of course the NFL is reluctant to admit the call was wrong, they're in damage control mode.

I do agree with you though that this is not the worst call, and I could see the regular refs fukking it up too. The PI was worse, but the defensive PI and PF to wipe out the INT were the worst of all. I don't think even the suck ass regular refs could ever have made those calls.

[ToPHeR]

Agree with referee decision.... What we see: Both have the ball, What rule said: Receiver wins the ball.

LOL

What game were you watching?

[DrStale]

The rulebook says "if the WR gets one hand on the football and they land on the ground with the DB craddling the football to his chest, both arms wrapped around it, while the receiver is on the bottom of him with one hand touching the football, it is a completion for the WR"? I missed that. I did see where the rulebook said that putting your hands on a ball that another player possesses is not simultaneous possession, which is what more than 90% of us are seeing, including several experienced NFL officials who have publicly commented today. Of course the NFL is reluctant to admit the call was wrong, they're in damage control mode.

I do agree with you though that this is not the worst call, and I could see the regular refs fukking it up too. The PI was worse, but the defensive PI and PF to wipe out the INT were the worst of all. I don't think even the suck ass regular refs could ever have made those calls.

This is the larger issue, which the NFL has not addressed whatsoever. Their bullshit statement glossed over all the terrible calls focusing instead on the closest one because it's the easiest to defend.

[p19101]

you guys still acting like you expected something different, time to move on...

^This

Obviously they had no other choice. Undermining their replacement refs officially? Over their dead bodies...

[jizay]

This is the larger issue, which the NFL has not addressed whatsoever. Their bullshit statement glossed over all the terrible calls focusing instead on the closest one because it's the easiest to defend.

It's kinda driving me nuts. The roughing call that wiped out the INT was dumbfounding. No comment at all on it, almost no one in the media has mentioned it. It was totally insane. I think the ref was using some sort of Brady rule because the tackle was sort of low. The rulebook clearly states, though, that the rule applies in the pocket, not when you're tackling a guy who is running out of the pocket. Also, he seemed to tackle higher than the knee and of course from behind. There was no aggressive attack to the knees. Wiping out an INT at the 20 was huge huge huge and the call was totally bizarre.

[nic9212]

I wonder how Vegas was and is. I can see people going nuts and getting security called etc...

[d2bets]

The rule book is not clear. We know that now. Simultaneous possession and joint control are not defined. I mean what exactly is simultaenous "possession". Is it two hands? One hand? Three fingers? One finger? Is it really simultaneous possession if one guy has the ball wrapped inside of his hands and arms pressed to his chest, but the other guy has some fingers from both hands on it? That's all that takes? Just let the defender catch it and also be touching the ball? If that's the real, I don't think anyone ever knew that, and it's certainly not clear from the rule book. So part of it's on the refs, but also this is a big ambiguity in the rules.

[Al Masters]