Miggy or Trout: Who's your AL MVP?

Brutus84 · 09-20-12, 08:49 AM

Miggy and not even close. I am from Michigan tho so a little bias. Miggy HOF baseball player and HOF drinker.

stevenash · 09-20-12, 08:52 AM

^
Yes, it is very close.
Trout hits lead off, didn't get started until almost May, if Trout had the month of April he'd have 35 bombs.
Also, as a lead off guy, the RBI opportunities are not there like they are for Miggy.

Miggy drives in runs, Trout creates runs, he will be a 80 stolen base guy every year.
Miggy is an E-5 waiting to happen, Trout is not a gold glove, he is a freaking platinum glove.
Trout WAR is almost 11, that number is obscene, he is worth 11 more wins to the Angels in the line up.

Mikeyanks23 · 09-20-12, 08:57 AM

Id like to see one of them lead their teams to the playoffs. But its hard not to take to take in the fact that trouts only 21. That makes his numbers so much better. Hes gonna be unanimous ROY.

2012 Regular Season

126

511

118

167

24

6

27

77

57

121

46

4

.327

.395

.556

.951

Cabrera is Cabrera just a great hitter and clutch.

2012 Regular Season

147

570

101

190

38

0

41

130

62

89

4

1

.333

.398

.616

1.014

That being said its going to come down to september for me. Both teams are trying to get to the play offs.
And this month Cabreras stats are

September

62

15

23

4

0

8

21

9

.371

And trout

September

66

12

18

2

0

2

3

10

.273

So unless trout catches on fire and single handedly gets the Angels to the playoffs while the tigers dont. Im gonna have to say Cabrera gets it.

Mikeyanks23 · 09-20-12, 08:59 AM

Now you got me leaning trout

Its a toss up.

I say wait til october 3rd to decide

Mikeyanks23 · 09-20-12, 09:02 AM

What about american League Cy Young?

Price (1)
Verlander (5)
Sale (2)
Weaver (3)
F. Hernandez (4)

my votes in parentheses

Chimneyfish · 09-20-12, 09:08 AM

Trout for sure. The guy's put up a 10.2 WAR at just 20 years old. The only other active player to even come close to that was A-Rod in 2000- although he came in third in MVP voting that year.

R.P. McMurphy · 09-20-12, 09:13 AM

Probably a coin flip however if Cabrera wins the triple crown it should be his by default at that point.

No coincidences · 09-20-12, 09:21 AM

Both play for underachieving teams with horrific bullpens that should be ashamed they can't help get their stars into the postseason.

I'm partial to Cabrera. Trout is amazing, but I still think Miggy has the best swing in baseball (with Votto a close second) and he's a "generational" player we'll be talking about 20-30 years from now.

Brutus84 · 09-20-12, 09:24 AM

I love how people can just assume RBI's and other numbers will just increase if he moved to 3rd in order. His average might dip as well with the added pressure. Also, no one seems to mention Cabrera has had horrible hitters in front of him so its not like RBI's are always just waiting for him. Majority of the year the 2 and 3 hitter sucked ass.

Resler · 09-20-12, 09:44 AM

Miggy

Covy · 09-20-12, 09:47 AM

Cabrera should be leading by more then people think.

Very rare to contend for a Triple Crown this late in year, let alone lead 2 categories and trail by a homer for the third.

InTheDrink · 09-20-12, 09:53 AM

I love when guys use war in their argument and don't even know what it means.

Miggy is MVP. Hands down.

thirtytwo · 09-20-12, 09:54 AM

detroit would be battling to keep Jim Leyland's job without miggy

angels would still contend without trout

so logical answer would be Miggy

TheDarkPassenger · 09-20-12, 10:10 AM

Trout. The people saying Cabrera are simply ignoring how bad he is on defense. Trout adds value on offense, defense, and on the bases. Really isn't all that close.

stevenash · 09-20-12, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

I love when guys use war in their argument and don't even know what it means.

Miggy is MVP. Hands down.

Enlighten me Einstein.
It means Trout is worth almost 11 wins more to the Angels in the line up compared to an average replacement player.

But thanks for dropping by.

Chimneyfish · 09-20-12, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

I love when guys use war in their argument and don't even know what it means.

Miggy is MVP. Hands down.

I love that it's 2012 and people are still bringing up batting averages and RBI's as their reasons why a player should win MVP.

Ghenghis Kahn · 09-20-12, 10:39 AM

trout is the mvp

stevenash · 09-20-12, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Chimneyfish

I love that it's 2012 and people are still bringing up batting averages and RBI's as their reasons why a player should win MVP.

The hit and run artist won't drop by again.

PhillyFlyers · 09-20-12, 11:42 AM

Derek Jeter

jjgold · 09-20-12, 11:48 AM

Trout is the square commercial choice

He is not even close to MVP type

Angles might not even get in playoffs

BigDeem5 · 09-20-12, 11:48 AM

Cabrera might win the triple crown, it's not even close

Brutus84 · 09-20-12, 11:58 AM

Miggy might be a below average third baseman but he has played average or better than average most of the year. Not to mention he is there because he is a team player. What wins more games anyways....a few of Trouts spectacular plays or a guy consistently hitting bombs in close games or batting damn near .380 or whatever Cabrera hits after 6-7 innings. CLUTCH.

TheMoneyShot · 09-20-12, 12:00 PM

If they give it to Trout... I'm never watching baseball again. Clearly Miggy.

PhillyFlyers · 09-20-12, 12:01 PM

Can't support players who use steroids or other PEDs, and I strongly suspect Cabrera and Trout of using these.

TheMoneyShot · 09-20-12, 12:03 PM

Numbers don't lie...

Miggy Batting .457 this year with runners in scoring position and 2 outs. DEAD RED

stevenash · 09-20-12, 12:09 PM

Like I said in post 1 I love Trout, but leaning towards Miggy as my choice.

Louisvillekid1 · 09-20-12, 12:19 PM

Miggy easy for me....

He's gonna win the Triple Crown...

MUHerd37 · 09-20-12, 12:27 PM

Cabrera. I'm a tigers fan tho. If he wins the triple crown how could he not be the MVP?

Mantle7 · 09-20-12, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

^
Yes, it is very close.
Trout hits lead off, didn't get started until almost May, if Trout had the month of April he'd have 35 bombs.
Also, as a lead off guy, the RBI opportunities are not there like they are for Miggy.

Miggy drives in runs, Trout creates runs, he will be a 80 stolen base guy every year.
Miggy is an E-5 waiting to happen, Trout is not a gold glove, he is a freaking platinum glove.
Trout WAR is almost 11, that number is obscene, he is worth 11 more wins to the Angels in the line up.

You literally took the words out of my mouth

BuddyBear · 09-20-12, 12:47 PM

Most of you guys who think that Cabrera is the obvious choice do not have a clue about baseball. It's like talking to a 4 year old about baseball. The uncontroversial choice is Mike Trout. There is no comparison really. Trout's season trumps Cabrera's in every meaningful way. 3 days ago there was no debate, now there is a debate b/c Cabrera might win a fictitious triple crown made up of archaic statistics that no scout or GM uses to evaluate players...yet these same statistics are now the basis for handing out the MVP, lol. Here is some reading for the baseball mentally challenged:

Mike Trout, Miguel Cabrera, and Measuring Value

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mike-trout-miguel-cabrera-and-measuring-value/

It’s that time of year again – with just a few weeks left in the season, baseball writers are turning their focus to the postseason awards, and as usual, the MVP races are the ones that are going to…

A Quick Thought On The AL MVP Debate

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/9/19/3359084/a-quick-thought-on-the-al-mvp-debate?ref=fangraphs

Defense matters. Simple home-run-robbery statistics are helping to back up the claim that Mike Trout should be the AL MVP over Miguel Cabrera.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/9/19/3357954/miguel-cabrera-triple-crown-american-league-mvp-mike-trout

stevenash · 09-20-12, 12:56 PM

Once again, I am a Trout fan, crazy Trout fan, but it's not cut and dried BB.
Excellent cases can be made for both.

One is a hammer, the other does it with speed, defense and pop too.

Trout is the better *all around* player, but is Trout more valuable to the Angels than Miggy is to the Tigers?

Remember, the operative word here is valuable.
The WARP number favors Trout, but the question is what player is more valuable to what team?

BuddyBear · 09-20-12, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

Once again, I am a Trout fan, crazy Trout fan, but it's not cut and dried BB.
Excellent cases can be made for both.

One is a hammer, the other does it with speed, defense and pop too.

Trout is the better *all around* player, but is Trout more valuable to the Angels than Miggy is to the Tigers?

Remember, the operative word here is valuable.
The WARP number favors Trout, but the question is what player is more valuable to what team?

If you had to pick either player, and both were 21, and they put up the same exact numbers...who would you pick?

Jeffie · 09-20-12, 01:01 PM

How does Cabrera have crappy hitters in front of him Jackson and infante? Don't forget both of these teams probably won't make playoffs, but I think trouts season is so much better then miggys we always see 40+ hr 130 hr and someone with the chance at triple crown. How often do we see what trout has done?

azn624 · 09-20-12, 01:06 PM

Has to be trout imo