Bankers 2015 NFL

[Cross44]

Good to see you back Bank! Been a few years.

I've had a good tap on the season so far but this line threw me for a spin...

Falcons -1 @ Cowboys

No Romo, No Dez, No Hardy, what's the catch? Falcon's run D has looked stout, their pass rush is better, Trufant erases Williams. How do the cowboys put up points this game? I don't exactly trust Atlanta on the road, but if they're going to let Julio touch the ball 12+ times a game, that's pretty good right? And I'm pretty sure Weedan is still... you know Weedan.

Interested in your thoughts on this game.

[2daBank]

Good to see you back Bank! Been a few years.

I've had a good tap on the season so far but this line threw me for a spin...

Falcons -1 @ Cowboys

No Romo, No Dez, No Hardy, what's the catch? Falcon's run D has looked stout, their pass rush is better, Trufant erases Williams. How do the cowboys put up points this game? I don't exactly trust Atlanta on the road, but if they're going to let Julio touch the ball 12+ times a game, that's pretty good right? And I'm pretty sure Weedan is still... you know Weedan.

Interested in your thoughts on this game.

good to see you as well bro.

if you have seen any of thread so far im high on atl, thought they were class of south coming in and have bet them both 1st 2 weeks. i see no reason not to bet them here again, as expected the d has instantly improved with a competent head coach and i never worry bout the offense, coleman out hurts but ive always been a freemon believer and thought he showed well after the injury last week. it square as shit but that aint end of the world to me (kinda reminds me of zona line last week, some teams just dont get respect from books they deserve and seeing how atl covering or winning as dogs id say they one of them), id have honestly preferred romo was playing and we were getting points here. witten banged up as well and honestly while i do respect what dal has done defensively and no doubt as they get few more pieces back they will be a strong unit im not as high on them as everyone seems to be based off shutting down a weak nyg oline and a weak overall gimmick philly team with a cross eyed loser quarterbacking the offense. dont think dal can stop matty ice and julio, fact is with rules like they are nobody really can unless they are able to get pressure fast with their front 4 maybe.. just really starting on card but id say atl will be a 1.5x play for me if not a 2x which fairly strong as 3x most i go and those are rare.

[2daBank]

glad to see lot of the good guys ive got to know on here over the years checking in, if i missed and didnt respond to any im sorry my schedule upside down this fall as im on this job working nights so dont get to any responses till next day, just wanted to say they are appreciated and as ya'll know i prefer my threads are much more about the discussion and sharing of thoughts than my plays so please continue to fire away with questions comments about games i post and/or games you interested in that havnt been covered as of yet. just understand i will not be able to answer till very late or next day but i will get to any and all..

[pimike]

Great thread bank! I like your thoughts keep winning pal.

As for Washington on the road in a short week against a team that is hungry early, I can in no way take skins in This spot. Also as for comparing skins line to Dallas and Falcons? Come on man, lol no way are they comparable.

I know this is not last year but Giants won the first game by 31 and in December by 11. I would never count out the younger Manning especially against a team he has confidence in.

I expect Randel to have a big night. I know Cruz is still out but I see Giants winning in the end by the speed at least.

By the way I tailed your Jets play! Thanks !

Ps

Go Pirates.

Lol

[2daBank]

Great thread bank! I like your thoughts keep winning pal.

As for Washington on the road in a short week against a team that is hungry early, I can in no way take skins in This spot. Also as for comparing skins line to Dallas and Falcons? Come on man, lol no way are they comparable.

I know this is not last year but Giants won the first game by 31 and in December by 11. I would never count out the younger Manning especially against a team he has confidence in.

I expect Randel to have a big night. I know Cruz is still out but I see Giants winning in the end by the speed at least.

By the way I tailed your Jets play! Thanks !

Ps

Go Pirates.

Lol

not sure where i compared olines? i think skins run gm is actually better than both of those other teams nyg has played tho and it really not close after seeing the results against 2 of the best front 7s in the nfl..

i dont love the idea of the road team ever on thu night and that only reason this just a 1x play honestly. that said it basically the same type play as the jets were. better rushing team and better defense catching points just a scenario i rarely pass on and i absolutely believe skins run game is far superior to nyg's as is there defensive front 7.

far as randle if you really wanna have your money riding on laying -4 and hoping a stone handed under achiever is the difference more power to ya but i respectfully gotta say i dont think it a strong strategy. i understand why you like him to be the difference as there no reason skins dont game plan Odell away from beating them too often and yes that should mean they give chances to the rest of that bum ass wr corp as they should. ill take that run gm and front 7 that will get after eli to at least keep this game competitive against a below avg supporting cast outside of Odell.

i respect your opinion bro and as mentioned i dont love anything about the spot which is why it only 1x, that said id take the points any day of the week and twice on sunday in this gm. last seasons results dont really weigh into my decision here as i think skins improving and nyg coming to the end of a era under coughlin..

screw the pirates! lol, but if we being real i think cards out early this year. i havnt paid much of any attention the last month but i know cards and the type season they having pacing the field with all those injuries is normally the years they get bounced early. it the hot teams late who win in bases these days and truth be told both our squads in trouble cause i think scrubbies are that team. lol.

[Time is Money]

Thoughts on Colts/Titans?

I know how bad the Colts have looked on both sides of the ball but they rarely ever drop division games and this is a desperation game. 3 points seems like this is way too good to pass up on.

[2daBank]

Thoughts on Colts/Titans?

I know how bad the Colts have looked on both sides of the ball but they rarely ever drop division games and this is a desperation game. 3 points seems like this is way too good to pass up on.

it hard for me to make a good case for titans but i really gotta trust/like a team to wanna make this kind of play and neither applies for the colts (zona last week a good example of not caring we were on the incredibly so called "square" side cause i trust that team with palmer under center).

it really wouldnt surprise me if mariota looks like a flat out stud this gm as i think the staff will continue to get comfortable with what he does well and there will be weeks they implement things that the other team hasnt seen, colts defense been atrocious on the road in recent years so just dont think it would come as much of a shock if the the rookie qb and very good offensive minded coach got on same page and lit indy up a little .. as unlikely as it seems indy goes 0-3 i really dont like this team, while there certainly outta be some urgency out of them there a really good chance they could go 8-8 and win the div which kinda makes avoiding 0-3 not as vital or more importantly im not convinced they actually good enough to avoid that fate.. i have no interest backing titans but i have even less in backing colts. gl whatever you decide. i may look into the over when i have more time.

[trobin31]

I chimed in here last week with the Browns upsetting the Titans but was dead wrong on the skins being no match for the Rams.

Just some thoughts on falcons/cowgirls game.
Interestingly, both teams faced the Giants and Eagles the first two games so comparison stats has some value. Couple things stand out are time of possession and total yards on offense and defense. Cowboys dominated time of possession by nearly double in both games. Not surprising with that oline. Falcons edged out time of possession as well but Dallas by far more. Total yards gained offensively were similar, but the falcons gave up considerably more yards on defense. Of course nobody buying fully into dallas defense yet but they seem legit so far. Weedan is 50yrs old by now so gotta figure he can simply manage a football by now. Coleman being out seems a bigger factor as he just seems more explosive a runner between the tackles and out of the backfield as a receiver. Overall just not seeing a big advantage for for either team here but kinda lean cowboys for the above reasons. No thoughts on total but wouldn't be surprised either way.

[The J-Dizzle]

Nice thread Bank, really like the discussion.
My leans:
Falcons-1
Browns-3.5 (everyone is sleeping on the Browns)
Jets-2.5
Titoons-Colts over 45 (Both teams will score, a lot)
Texans-6.5 (Tampa is my team but Texans pass rush will be to much for a weak Tampa O-line)
Washington+4

[2daBank]

I chimed in here last week with the Browns upsetting the Titans but was dead wrong on the skins being no match for the Rams.

Just some thoughts on falcons/cowgirls game.
Interestingly, both teams faced the Giants and Eagles the first two games so comparison stats has some value. Couple things stand out are time of possession and total yards on offense and defense. Cowboys dominated time of possession by nearly double in both games. Not surprising with that oline. Falcons edged out time of possession as well but Dallas by far more. Total yards gained offensively were similar, but the falcons gave up considerably more yards on defense. Of course nobody buying fully into dallas defense yet but they seem legit so far. Weedan is 50yrs old by now so gotta figure he can simply manage a football by now. Coleman being out seems a bigger factor as he just seems more explosive a runner between the tackles and out of the backfield as a receiver. Overall just not seeing a big advantage for for either team here but kinda lean cowboys for the above reasons. No thoughts on total but wouldn't be surprised either way.

Whike I agree bout comparison stats to a degree I think the fact dal sees those teams twice a year every year give them a built in adv defensively over what a out of div opp defensive stats would be. Not arguing dal d probably better, I just think it not the adv it being made out to be when you consider they facing the much more potent passing attack. I think freeman be fine but again agree Coleman Better between tackles, think atl will just spread it out more and use short passes as their run game. To me it atl or nothing but I been wrong before.

[2daBank]

Nice thread Bank, really like the discussion.
My leans:
Falcons-1
Browns-3.5 (everyone is sleeping on the Browns)
Jets-2.5
Titoons-Colts over 45 (Both teams will score, a lot)
Texans-6.5 (Tampa is my team but Texans pass rush will be to much for a weak Tampa O-line)
Washington+4

Thank you sir, welcome aboard!

i can't get on board w Browns laying points, honestly I think Raiders the better team but it a straight pass for me cause I never trust them traveling east for early start. I'm kinda interested in possibly playing the over but havnt gotten far on card yet. Oak d been horrible so not like im saying you wrong, I just can't stomach laying with Johnny fb even if he played pretty well last week from what I saw (watched a little but havnt had chance to watch game rewinds yet this week, hopefully tonight after I get off work I will knock out bunch and have more to say).

obviously I agree w skins (4.5 actually available at bovada and I love that number), havnt played atl yet but almost certain I will, agree with that colts/Titans over big time man, I have no doubt luck and co will get right here after facing couple stud d's, I just don't trust the d and as I mentioned think there be plenty of weeks mariota puts up nice numbers this season. I have this gm being played into the mid 20s on the low side so def see value there.

No clue with tb/hou, need to watch last hou gm. I do think in general a team with low perception like hou laying this many to a team that pulled big upset last week is probably the right side just based off number. Again I'll try and add more here when I get chance to watch last weeks replays.

[2daBank]

week 3


skins +4 (1x).. no secret i really despise this thu night nfl cash grab, it was nice when they 1st started and we were auto betting 1st half unders but that has long since played its course and no longer worth a auto play. id prob better off leaving alone altogether but in this case i cant help myself as imo the superior team is catching the points.

while it not a great idea to count out the gmen and they very well could be 2-0 i see a team of dogs that not giving full mental or physical effort for their dinosaur head coach. offensively gmen are Odell and a stable of rbs that all have specific yet limited skill sets with not much else. defensively they dont generate a pass rush, dont tackle well, and are not flying around to the ball. essentially you can beat this defense any way you choose.

far as skins go while i tend to not wanna overreact to a few early games i think there a few things about this team that are obvious and undeniable. 1st off their run game is legit, they have ran through what i consider 2 of the best front 7s in the league the 1st 2 weeks and that is no fluke, they should dominate the gmen on the ground. the other is something that been known about them the last several years, when healthy they have a very strong front 7 in their own right, this unit will be the best a mediocre gmen oline has seen to date and they struggled against both dal and atl's fronts. dangerous to trust a team that possibly been overachieving and doing so at home when they go out n the road for the 1s time and it a short week, that why it only a 1x play but truthfully i think skins the better team and win this gm.

colts/titans ov 45 (2x).. talked about in few earlier post so just quick recap, feel free to read the discussions on this gm or ask if i leave anything out.. i absolutely believe luck and co will get it going finally facing a suspect defense after facing 2 of what im sure wil be top 5 units in the league who also had strong ball control offenses, none of that the case here, cant hold luck down forever as long as his line plays little better against a weaker pass rush he should shred titans considering johnny fb and a medeocre wr lit them up last week. colts d the question mark far as why i wouldnt play colts. think mariota gets back on track this week or worst case he hangs some late garbage w some late game meaningless tds. i have both teams playing into the mid 20s here and total set some 3-4 points lower than i have it.

[The J-Dizzle]

I'm totally with you on the over bro!

[oh_lol]

On both of them. Cheers man!

[The J-Dizzle]

Thoughts on Cards-6.5. I like it, Palmer is really efficient, and has 3 great WRs who will create good matchups for Palmer. They have the firepower and the defense, also some good tape from the steelers-niners game on how to score on that niners D. They should be good at home.

Also, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins out 4-6 weeks. He's been playing really well this year and he will be missed. And who knows the status of Evans? Texans need that W at home!

[Time is Money]

Thoughts on Cards-6.5. I like it, Palmer is really efficient, and has 3 great WRs who will create good matchups for Palmer. They have the firepower and the defense, also some good tape from the steelers-niners game on how to score on that niners D. They should be good at home.

Also, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins out 4-6 weeks. He's been playing really well this year and he will be missed. And who knows the status of Evans? Texans need that W at home!

Evans was on a snap count last week, he confirmed that it won't be the case this week. I expect a ton of targets and a solid game from him.

Cards line jumped out to me as well, Palmer is playing lights out.

[2daBank]

Thoughts on Cards-6.5. I like it, Palmer is really efficient, and has 3 great WRs who will create good matchups for Palmer. They have the firepower and the defense, also some good tape from the steelers-niners game on how to score on that niners D. They should be good at home.

Also, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins out 4-6 weeks. He's been playing really well this year and he will be missed. And who knows the status of Evans? Texans need that W at home!

i wouldnt worry bout evans, in fact id expect him to get fed early and often. i think it pretty fair to assume worst case the absence of jenkins and reemergence of evans a wash (good thing for me as i own evans in several leagues). not as good for my fantasy leagues is now i see hopkins has a concussion which would make hou incredibly weak on the outside. even assuming hopkins healthy it just really hard for me to stomach the idea of laying that number with hou despite the fact yes their dline should chew up tampa and force some mistakes out of shamis, problem is i dont trust the offense to do a lot and i think evans especially and jackson will be able to make some plays and put points up. laying 3 or 4 i could maybe get behind but i wouldnt wanna lay this number cause it leaves several different ways for tb to cover even if the gm goes texans way.

ive backed zona more than any team the last several years and have picked up right back off betting them the 1st 2 weeks, love that team! that said i wont be playing them this week for several reasons, 1st and foremost being i almost never bet against a team coming off the kind of ass kicking sf got put on them on sunday, bottom line everyone has talent in this league and that talent didnt get here w/o having pride so you sure to get their best effort, not to mention you gonna be laying a inflated number cause for some reason majority of bettors cant get this concept thru their thick skulls and think what they saw last week will somehow magically be the same the next even tho we know that to be far from true. other than that sf isnt some shit team and while they may have dropped a little there still plenty left and rumors of their demise i think were a little premature, these gms are close more often than not and while i think zona wins i think you paying too much a premium this week on a team that usually available for the cheap. i dont mind if you wanna tease cards or put them in a ml parlay but i think 6.5 is too many points and covering is truly a coin flip, a coin flip that id imagine actually lands on sf 52-55 times out of 100 in this instance.

[The J-Dizzle]

I agree on the Texans, especially with Hopkins having a concussion. Mallet can't be trusted.
And tampa gets all their wins away from home at the moment.

I do like Arizona though and that defense on their home court. I do believe Cards will come out with the win, the question is with how much?
49ers is facing a much better defense than Steelers, and Palmer is on fire.
I do agree with your concerns though. But perhaps niners is overrated from that week 1 victory.

[2daBank]

sf cant be overvalued cause they were looked down on so far in off season that winning week 1 actually devalued minny more than elevated them. throw the pit gm out the window, off a monday night win, short week, west coast to east for early gm, that gm had that outcome written all over it and no matter the outcome i would bet anything you will not see anywhere near the same sf team that slept walked though the 1st half last week.

far as facing a better defense while that true and honestly i cant even speak for what the steelers running defensively now that lebeou gone? all i know is sure zona d better but also way different and much more familiar to the niners. beware of perceptions when dealing with div rivals that general play tough physical games. these teams know each other and get up to play each other.

honestly i think the unit that will look far different than last week with be the sf defense and i wouldnt expect them to get lit up like that again. i agree zona most likely wins but i think laying anything more than 4 or so a low percentage play. i been wrong before but that way i see it. prob lower scoring type gm and lot of fgs, something like 23-17 ish. now that we discussing it the under kinda has some appeal actually.

[hustlehard617]

Do you see in value in Baltimore this week

[2daBank]

all im really saying with all this man is that the reason i have loved zona the last several years is cause for some reason books gave out a ton of discounted lines to play them as dogs and occasionally favs, hell the 1st 2 weeks the lines on them were jokes against some scrub ass defenses and never even laying a freaking fg? that value and what im always looking for. unfortunately in this case between sf perception and everyone finally catching on to what zona is i just dont feel you getting a good price to play them here and sadly might not much going forward (til palmer gets hurt anyways, lol)..

[The J-Dizzle]

I appreciate your input. I do like how you approach the game. I believe 49ers will have a hard time reaching 20+ points. Last year Cardinals won 23-14 at home, also early in the season, and that was without Palmer. 49ers managed 20 points in their home game. Sure that is last season but I guess we can agree that their defense is worse than last year, and that O-line lost som huge pieces.
Also I believe Palmer will move the ball more effecient and thus decrease niners chances of scoring.

Cardinals are feeling good about defending against Kap, so the main mission will be to contain Kap and keep Hyde under 100 yards.
I can easily see Palmer throwing another 3 TDs in this one. But you're right, 6.5 might be to many points to lay. Will have to look more closely into this one.

[2daBank]

Do you see in value in Baltimore this week

really hard question to answer. on surface sure, how often can you get a really solid home team like balty at less than a fg? plus needing a win to boot!

problem is this the 1st season where i have finally lost faith in balty as a whole, great organization so i typically trust their moves but now i see a team that has nothing resembling a weapon younger than 45 on the outside. forcett not thriving in tessman system, a defense that now a shell of its former self. i know they normally look much better at home but i got some real concerns here and no interest to back them until i see some improvement im having a hard time projecting.

i was actually just talking bout this gm with a friend of mine and at one point said something like "go up and down each roster and honestly tell me that cincy getting any plus money isnt the side with value even in balty, on a neutral field are we really saying cincy isnt more than a pk to 1 point fav? id make them -3 on neutral and that feels low".. full discovery i also said i had no interest trusting the ginger on the road but at same time if you stuck a gun to my head id be far more likely to take the dog here.

[hustlehard617]

Thanks man I appreciate the feedback another game I was looking was Minnesota what you think about that game

[2daBank]

I appreciate your input. I do like how you approach the game. I believe 49ers will have a hard time reaching 20+ points. Last year Cardinals won 23-14 at home, also early in the season, and that was without Palmer. 49ers managed 20 points in their home game. Sure that is last season but I guess we can agree that their defense is worse than last year, and that O-line lost som huge pieces.
Also I believe Palmer will move the ball more effecient and thus decrease niners chances of scoring.

Cardinals are feeling good about defending against Kap, so the main mission will be to contain Kap and keep Hyde under 100 yards.
I can easily see Palmer throwing another 3 TDs in this one. But you're right, 6.5 might be to many points to lay. Will have to look more closely into this one.

i honestly think palmer will probably put up yards but sf will limit them to fgs once they get close more times than not. no coaching staff is gonna allow his team to get torched like that again even if that means playing a big umbrella type coverage and allowing them to march the field over and over then bow up in the red zone. i could be wrong but id seriously be shocked if the sf defense didnt play very tough this week and keep them in the gm..

thing bout zona's defense and dont get me wrong i absolutely love their philosophy, they have tendency to be so damn aggressive that teams typically figure out a way to torch them from time to time throughout a gm. i agree it very unlikely sf has a lot of sustained offensive success driving the field but the problem is i think they only need round 17 to put -6.5 in real jeopardy.

in all seriousness i dont know whether they cover, i dont love the idea of backing sf even if i kinda feel it the right side. since beginning of our talk i have started growing pretty interested in the under which is several points higher than i recall one of these matchups being, sure palmer looks great and i love arians offense but remember they have seen a couple of the worst defenses the league has to offer. not trying to take away from a team i really like just saying i could hang some huge numbers on aints and bears too.

[2daBank]

Thanks man I appreciate the feedback another game I was looking was Minnesota what you think about that game

i think minny or nothing but i tend to not like sd unless they playing donks of course, lol. you could however make a really strong case for teasing sd that id have a hard time arguing with.

[killersweet]

Any leans on the total tonight banker?

[The J-Dizzle]

I wouldn't touch Baltimore this week, especially with Suggs gone. Don't trust their offense, and I don't trust their defense atm.
Bengals is strong on both sides of the ball. Dalton has a lot of weapons, Eifert has showed great improvement. Cincinatti should move the ball more efficient than Baltimore. Even though I don't trust Dalton that much, he plays good in the regular season. This could be an even contest in Baltimore, so I would take the points and Bengals if I had to.

[Twiz]

I'd play balty ats this week before I'd play zona. Think we're looking at 2 very similar games...24-21...23-20 type games...based on points alone ravens look better. That said only play worth looking at there to me is 9ers + the points. Personally probably avoiding both.

Curious where everyone stands on Panthers/Saints. Assuming Brees plays I think the over is a real solid play but I'm not sure which team that favors ats? Saints should be able to get all their HBs going for the first time this season so I don't think they'll get blown out despite still having one of the worst Ds in the league. Last few seasons panthers have been undervalued in this matchup but almost gotta think its reversed this time around. Not gonna back the saints just looking for a reason not to back cam.

[2daBank]

I'd play balty ats this week before I'd play zona. Think we're looking at 2 very similar games...24-21...23-20 type games...based on points alone ravens look better. That said only play worth looking at there to me is 9ers + the points. Personally probably avoiding both.

Curious where everyone stands on Panthers/Saints. Assuming Brees plays I think the over is a real solid play but I'm not sure which team that favors ats? Saints should be able to get all their HBs going for the first time this season so I don't think they'll get blown out despite still having one of the worst Ds in the league. Last few seasons panthers have been undervalued in this matchup but almost gotta think its reversed this time around. Not gonna back the saints just looking for a reason not to back cam.

no clue with side or total in carolina. i know panthers have shut down better and more healthy versions of the aints offense in the past. 45 actually feels high kinda. i mean so lets say aints d so bad panthers can do what they want, what is that exactly? prob something slow tempo and time consuming. beats me bro i have no interest in doing anything but fading aints like i have the 1st 2 weeks until they show something and i have no interest in panthers either so it a gm im not even bothering with..

[Flagrant1]

Great analysis so far fellas... How can anyone not take the Rams +1.5 hosting Pitt this week? Am I missing something with that line?

[2daBank]

Originally Posted by 2daBank
week 3


skins +4 (1x).. no secret i really despise this thu night nfl cash grab, it was nice when they 1st started and we were auto betting 1st half unders but that has long since played its course and no longer worth a auto play. id prob better off leaving alone altogether but in this case i cant help myself as imo the superior team is catching the points.

while it not a great idea to count out the gmen and they very well could be 2-0 i see a team of dogs that not giving full mental or physical effort for their dinosaur head coach. offensively gmen are Odell and a stable of rbs that all have specific yet limited skill sets with not much else. defensively they dont generate a pass rush, dont tackle well, and are not flying around to the ball. essentially you can beat this defense any way you choose.

far as skins go while i tend to not wanna overreact to a few early games i think there a few things about this team that are obvious and undeniable. 1st off their run game is legit, they have ran through what i consider 2 of the best front 7s in the league the 1st 2 weeks and that is no fluke, they should dominate the gmen on the ground. the other is something that been known about them the last several years, when healthy they have a very strong front 7 in their own right, this unit will be the best a mediocre gmen oline has seen to date and they struggled against both dal and atl's fronts. dangerous to trust a team that possibly been overachieving and doing so at home when they go out n the road for the 1s time and it a short week, that why it only a 1x play but truthfully i think skins the better team and win this gm.


colts/titans ov 45 (2x).. talked about in few earlier post so just quick recap, feel free to read the discussions on this gm or ask if i leave anything out.. i absolutely believe luck and co will get it going finally facing a suspect defense after facing 2 of what im sure wil be top 5 units in the league who also had strong ball control offenses, none of that the case here, cant hold luck down forever as long as his line plays little better against a weaker pass rush he should shred titans considering johnny fb and a medeocre wr lit them up last week. colts d the question mark far as why i wouldnt play colts. think mariota gets back on track this week or worst case he hangs some late garbage w some late game meaningless tds. i have both teams playing into the mid 20s here and total set some 3-4 points lower than i have it.

sf/zona un 44 (1x)... talked about this gm a lot in thread so gonna be brief as plenty of discussion already. love me some zona and now it seems everyone jumping aboard after they wax a couple terrible defenses. sf was in a impossible spot last week and fully expect a much stronger defensive showing here. total is several points higher than i ever recall this series being set at and while i get sf d has took some hits i still expect this to be a tough physical nfc west kind of gm. expect cards to move the ball but for sf d to toughen up when it counts and hold cards to fgs to keep the gm close. in the end i have this somewhere in the range of a 3-6 point zona win where 23 points be enough to accomplish that.

[2daBank]

Great analysis so far fellas... How can anyone not take the Rams +1.5 hosting Pitt this week? Am I missing something with that line?

i think that absolutely the right side and it cracks me up to all hell the way the masses never figure out fisher teams. seriously it isnt hard and for whatever reason the majority are always ass backwards when it comes to when to be on or against this team..

for anyone suffering from the symptoms above ill help you out, at home against a so called superior team take the lambs as dogs, when they favs and expected to beat a lesser team anywhere fade them or pass, certainly dont trust them in that role when everyone else does..

[GT21Megatron]

Don't like Skins at all. They have played two games at home. Giants should be 2-0 and have faced Romo and Matt Ryan both and blew late leads to lose. Skins suck man. Same miserable skins. Don't let last week fool you. You should look up St. Louis numbers week after playing Seattle. Don't believe the hype man.

[2daBank]

Ain't no hype bout beating shitbag lambs. Everyone talking bout nyg "should be 2-0" are comical to me, could they have won? Sure, did they outplay their opponent in either gm? Not really and certainly not when it counted. I'm convinced of 2 things w skins, run game legit and front 7 solid. There no reason they don't own the trenches tonight and I'll happily take that team catching 4. Gl man, but cmon acting like this some overreaction by me cause they beat lambs in a gm those dogs always lose. This about me watching every second of gmen gms they "should have won" and never being convinced they were the better team.