College Hoops 2012-13

[2daBank]

ouch, don't like being opposite you here Madison, but Bank nailed a bit part of why i like this play: Vols have been tough at home, Tigers first true road test, not big fan of Memphis generally.

also Vols are excellent defensively, Tarik Black out for Memphis. Memphis' best traits are offensive boards (often converted into easy buckets) and causing turnovers. UT is great at controlling its defensive glass, and coupled with absence of Tarik Black, i think that UT is able to limit easy chances; UT also doesn't turn the ball over much, which will further limit the easy buckets for Memphis. bottomline: i think that points will be at a premium for Tigers tonight and Vols pull away by 7-9 with FTs at the end. BOL to you tonight with your Memphis play, pal. i will say that i do not like the line move back in Memphis' direction earlier this afternoon.

the total jump in this gm is curious, i thought it was about right at open, the fact it pushing 130 now is strange to me...i agree ten should be solid preventing the things memphis needs to generate offense as you right their turnover margin isnt bad and they do hold up on the defensive glass, dont think mem scores a whole lot if they cant get out and run or get put backs, i guess the big concern for ten would be taking treys they cant make to save their lives as missed 3s lead to a lot of run outs, that said if there was ever a gm ten was actually gonna make some of the ill advised 3s they shoot it would be against a mem team that doesn't defend the perimeter all that well... maybe that the reason for the jump in the total? if ten makes some 3s then they fall in love with shooting them could not only lead to some points for them but some transition for memphis? i dunno, but kinda tempted to play the under if it goes up any higher..

[BiffTFinancial]

Good news is I haven't posted a play yet so ... Where are you getting your injury updates? Probably have Tarik's twitter knowing you. I'm old fashioned and no argument behind the times in this regard. Last I heard it sounded like 50/50. Is he definitely out.

haha, not i don't follow him on twitter, although i did see mention of his injury on there this morning. both covers and thespread.com have him listed as doubtful with a groin injury for tonight. i've played/played with guys with all manner of hoops injuries. doubtful (25%) with groin on morning of game says OUT to me (esp with conference play starting next week; Memphis wants to win this rivalry game, but i doubt Pastner plays him based upon what i've seen).

[BiffTFinancial]

just found this with google:

Tigers' Black likely out against UT

Posted: Jan 02, 2013 7:10 PM EST Updated: Jan 03, 2013 1:36 PM EST By Carrie Anderson - email




(WMC-TV) - It is West meets East this weekend in college basketball when the Memphis Tigers travel to Knoxville to face Tennessee, and it looks like Memphis will be shorthanded in this latest cross state rivalry.
Tiger Center Tarik Black has missed the last two games with a sore groin, and Coach Josh Pastner says Black is not expected to play Friday night. The junior forward is officially listed as doubtful for the game.

In nine games this season, Black is averaging about 11 points and 5 boards per contest.
All test results came back negative, and Pastner says Black could return January 9th in the Tigers' Conference USA opener against East Carolina

[BiffTFinancial]

the total jump in this gm is curious, i thought it was about right at open, the fact it pushing 130 now is strange to me...i agree ten should be solid preventing the things memphis needs to generate offense as you right their turnover margin isnt bad and they do hold up on the defensive glass, dont think mem scores a whole lot if they cant get out and run or get put backs, i guess the big concern for ten would be taking treys they cant make to save their lives as missed 3s lead to a lot of run outs, that said if there was ever a gm ten was actually gonna make some of the ill advised 3s they shoot it would be against a mem team that doesn't defend the perimeter all that well... maybe that the reason for the jump in the total? if ten makes some 3s then they fall in love with shooting them could not only lead to some points for them but some transition for memphis? i dunno, but kinda tempted to play the under if it goes up any higher..

actually started capping this game wanting to play the under, and the jump in total perplexed me also. i don't think that it's related to Black's injury (don't think there was ever a serious chance of him playing). i have this game as something like 64-55/63-56, so solid margin under. like 1H under 60 but went with Vols instead given that i can't explain line move and have about same margin of value for each respective angle. other than fact that i wish i'd gotten -2, i'm comfortable with my decision but i certainly can't talk you off of under.

[2daBank]

actually started capping this game wanting to play the under, and the jump in total perplexed me also. i don't think that it's related to Black's injury (don't think there was ever a serious chance of him playing). i have this game as something like 64-55/63-56, so solid margin under. like 1H under 60 but went with Vols instead given that i can't explain line move and have about same margin of value for each respective angle. other than fact that i wish i'd gotten -2, i'm comfortable with my decision but i certainly can't talk you off of under.

feel like they kinda go hand in hand,,vols and under that is,,unless mem piss poor perimeter d all a sudden inspires vols to knock down treys i dont think they win a gm that isnt played in the low 60s..

[Madison]

A few interesting Tenn tidbits.

The Vols are shooting 50.8 percent in their wins and 29.1 percent in their losses this season.

Rankings ... 274th PPG, 315th APG, 215th FG%. OUCH. those are naughty bad numbers.

[Madison]

just found this with google:

Tigers' Black likely out against UT

Posted: Jan 02, 2013 7:10 PM EST Updated: Jan 03, 2013 1:36 PM EST By Carrie Anderson - email





(WMC-TV) - It is West meets East this weekend in college basketball when the Memphis Tigers travel to Knoxville to face Tennessee, and it looks like Memphis will be shorthanded in this latest cross state rivalry.
Tiger Center Tarik Black has missed the last two games with a sore groin, and Coach Josh Pastner says Black is not expected to play Friday night. The junior forward is officially listed as doubtful for the game.

In nine games this season, Black is averaging about 11 points and 5 boards per contest.
All test results came back negative, and Pastner says Black could return January 9th in the Tigers' Conference USA opener against East Carolina

Thanks Biff, you da man. You caught my interest with 1H U thanks for pointing that out.

[BiffTFinancial]

feel like they kinda go hand in hand,,vols and under that is,,unless mem piss poor perimeter d all a sudden inspires vols to knock down treys i dont think they win a gm that isnt played in the low 60s..

yeah, hard to argue with you there. i'm probably stuck in a dog+under/fave+over mentality that generally applies but probably not to this particular game.

[BiffTFinancial]

A few interesting Tenn tidbits.

The Vols are shooting 50.8 percent in their wins and 29.1 percent in their losses this season.

Rankings ... 274th PPG, 315th APG, 215th FG%. OUCH. those are naughty bad numbers.

oh, those numbers are completely shitastic. frankly, i was hoping that numbers like that would have the public on Memphis tonight, a little surprised that they are not. oh well.

[BiffTFinancial]

Thanks Biff, you da man. You caught my interest with 1H U thanks for pointing that out.

anytime, Madison.

[Madison]

ALERT *** ALERT *** ALERT

Banker, let us welcome you to the CBB equivalent of the NFL Thursday 1H under. Saturday CBB 11am games under. MONEY LY.

[2daBank]

ALERT *** ALERT *** ALERT

Banker, let us welcome you to the CBB equivalent of the NFL Thursday 1H under. Saturday CBB 11am games under. MONEY LY.

ive never played those religiously like the nfl thu night but id imagine ive never played a over in those gms...makes sense...you doing just 1st half under on these? pit/rut has the potential for not much scoring for sure..

[Madison]

ive never played those religiously like the nfl thu night but id imagine ive never played a over in those gms...makes sense...you doing just 1st half under on these? pit/rut has the potential for not much scoring for sure..

I'm taking your approach on NFL. Already down at 129 although my entusiasm might have gotten the best of me as waiting for 1H under might be best. I think I finally got Biff's attention LY somewhere around 5-0.

Just like teasers he's a tough dude to get untrenched.

GL tonight guys!!

I couldn't resist although I scaled back with Mem +2.5 1x. I do not trust in Memphis but have little respect for Tenn. Maybe it's me who needs to get untrenched.

[2daBank]

I'm taking your approach on NFL. Already down at 129 although my entusiasm might have gotten the best of me as waiting for 1H under might be best. I think I finally got Biff's attention LY somewhere around 5-0.

Just like teasers he's a tough dude to get untrenched.

GL tonight guys!!

I couldn't resist although I scaled back with Mem +2.5 1x. I do not trust in Memphis but have little respect for Tenn. Maybe it's me who needs to get untrenched.

right on,,ill come along on those (doesnt take much for me to try some shit out )..i have no dog in that mem/ten gm, i really dont like either team, think GW gonna be the only play i make tonight, even tho still tempted by the under in Tennessee...

[BiffTFinancial]

ALERT *** ALERT *** ALERT

Banker, let us welcome you to the CBB equivalent of the NFL Thursday 1H under. Saturday CBB 11am games under. MONEY LY.

yes! love these.

[BiffTFinancial]

I'm taking your approach on NFL. Already down at 129 although my entusiasm might have gotten the best of me as waiting for 1H under might be best. I think I finally got Biff's attention LY somewhere around 5-0.

Just like teasers he's a tough dude to get untrenched.

GL tonight guys!!

I couldn't resist although I scaled back with Mem +2.5 1x. I do not trust in Memphis but have little respect for Tenn. Maybe it's me who needs to get untrenched.

we should've just bet each other and saved the penetrating juice.

i am now a big believer in NFL teasers, love em.

[BiffTFinancial]

right on,,ill come along on those (doesnt take much for me to try some shit out )..i have no dog in that mem/ten gm, i really dont like either team, think GW gonna be the only play i make tonight, even tho still tempted by the under in Tennessee...

don't know why no one trusts me on Vols. i guess 11-23-2 -20.99u doesn't mean what it used to. inflation.

[2daBank]

don't know why no one trusts me on Vols. i guess 11-23-2 -20.99u doesn't mean what it used to. inflation.

lol..not that i dont trust you,,,dont trust them....i have no doubt that you will get it going at some point..

[2daBank]

ok, now i feel bad,,took ten-1 1st half and will see what happens...showing the utmost faith in you!!!

[Madison]

Only I can screw up a 5 star play like this. I may end up at best +.5 on a game I started loving. Headed to the liquor cabinet. Talk tomorrow men.

[Madison]

Ok. I'm not done. I have my cocktail (and rather strong mind you) and I have a sincere question. I'm at the crossroads of my life. I'm really good at what I do however I'm clearly a dinosaur and I see it costing me money daily. I.E. the Az/Col game last night. After the call was reversed to send the game to OT the Col players were seen praying and the Az players scheming. Call it what ever you will but said to wifey "Lock Az kills them in OT".

So, How do you get my brain into cyberspace and able to place a bet on demand. Who has live action all the time on demand??

Forgive me but alcohol taking effect. Seriously without the ref's Tenn would be somewhere around 16 pts into the 2nd half. Sorry pissed at self.

[BiffTFinancial]

lol..not that i dont trust you,,,dont trust them....i have no doubt that you will get it going at some point..

ok, now i feel bad,,took ten-1 1st half and will see what happens...showing the utmost faith in you!!!

my sincere apologies, Bank. i was just joking. never intended to guilt you into losing money. since i hit my play of the year on Vandy Monday, literally nothing has gone right (other than Okie State TT over in bowl and Wright State). this has been a horrific week.

[BiffTFinancial]

Only I can screw up a 5 star play like this. I may end up at best +.5 on a game I started loving. Headed to the liquor cabinet. Talk tomorrow men.

Ok. I'm not done. I have my cocktail (and rather strong mind you) and I have a sincere question. I'm at the crossroads of my life. I'm really good at what I do however I'm clearly a dinosaur and I see it costing me money daily. I.E. the Az/Col game last night. After the call was reversed to send the game to OT the Col players were seen praying and the Az players scheming. Call it what ever you will but said to wifey "Lock Az kills them in OT".

So, How do you get my brain into cyberspace and able to place a bet on demand. Who has live action all the time on demand??

Forgive me but alcohol taking effect. Seriously without the ref's Tenn would be somewhere around 16 pts into the 2nd half. Sorry pissed at self.

my bad, Madison. for what it's worth, although Memphis clearly outplayed UT and deserved to win, Frachilla couldn't stop talking about how much better Memphis was playing than he'd expected (and i respect his opinion). i was wrong, i deserved to lose, not doubt. that said, Memphis played much better than i (and people who know more than i) would've expected without their second best player. onward and upward.

[BiffTFinancial]

Friday 1.4.2013
2* Tennessee -2' (-105) - LOSER

11-24-1 -23.09u season to date

off to stick my head in an oven

[2daBank]

my sincere apologies, Bank. i was just joking. never intended to guilt you into losing money. since i hit my play of the year on Vandy Monday, literally nothing has gone right (other than Okie State TT over in bowl and Wright State). this has been a horrific week.

no worries bro,,we all get some wrong,,i didnt bet all that much, just a little degen action to watch...man i just got done going thru this card and i got like 15 sides and 5-7 totals (depending on the number, nice being in at bol where they actually post most the totals ) i like...i hate trying to narrow down as that usually ends up in me shaving off the wrong gms, lol... let me show you my list

rutgers+7 un 129
seton hall +10 (could prob be talked off this one)
tex+10
marq-2
stan+6.5
indy st +14
clem-3
mia-1.5 (possibly under, same w clem)
oak+11 (another one i could drop)
marist+13.5
santa clara +7 (or over depending on number)
uc irvine +3.5
uc davis-1
siu+8 (kinda iffy)
troy+2.5

then depending on number lean under in okie st/kst, over in byu/sf, cal st ful/northridge over whatever (ha, seriously)...

not only all that but could see myself on hawaii if that possible cause im sure they shouldnt ever lay that many points, lol..looked hard at jmu but saw couple injury/guy taking leave problems there... feel free to get me off some of this shit..guess it not that unusual of a saturday for me just only second card ive played with even close to this many gms since last season...

[BiffTFinancial]

no worries bro,,we all get some wrong,,i didnt bet all that much, just a little degen action to watch...man i just got done going thru this card and i got like 15 sides and 5-7 totals (depending on the number, nice being in at bol where they actually post most the totals ) i like...i hate trying to narrow down as that usually ends up in me shaving off the wrong gms, lol... let me show you my list

rutgers+7 un 129
seton hall +10 (could prob be talked off this one)
tex+10
marq-2
stan+6.5
indy st +14
clem-3
mia-1.5 (possibly under, same w clem)
oak+11 (another one i could drop)
marist+13.5
santa clara +7 (or over depending on number)
uc irvine +3.5
uc davis-1
siu+8 (kinda iffy)
troy+2.5

then depending on number lean under in okie st/kst, over in byu/sf, cal st ful/northridge over whatever (ha, seriously)...

not only all that but could see myself on hawaii if that possible cause im sure they shouldnt ever lay that many points, lol..looked hard at jmu but saw couple injury/guy taking leave problems there... feel free to get me off some of this shit..guess it not that unusual of a saturday for me just only second card ive played with even close to this many gms since last season...

i will get right on these. time to earn my keep.

[2daBank]

went ahead and hit marq, clem, and tex+6 1st half (they been hanging early in most gms)..thought those lines may move against me so grabbed now....add bay/tex under 132 to list of leans, lol..

[Madison]

don't know why no one trusts me on Vols. i guess 11-23-2 -20.99u doesn't mean what it used to. inflation.

I missed this last night.It's important to keep one's sense of humor. Good one.

[Madison]

my bad, Madison. for what it's worth, although Memphis clearly outplayed UT and deserved to win, Frachilla couldn't stop talking about how much better Memphis was playing than he'd expected (and i respect his opinion). i was wrong, i deserved to lose, not doubt. that said, Memphis played much better than i (and people who know more than i) would've expected without their second best player. onward and upward.

No apologies as we've discussed prior. We're all big boys and to my knowledge no has a gun to our heads (except maybe ourselves)

[Madison]

no worries bro,,we all get some wrong,,i didnt bet all that much, just a little degen action to watch...man i just got done going thru this card and i got like 15 sides and 5-7 totals (depending on the number, nice being in at bol where they actually post most the totals ) i like...i hate trying to narrow down as that usually ends up in me shaving off the wrong gms, lol... let me show you my list

rutgers+7 un 129
seton hall +10 (could prob be talked off this one)
tex+10
marq-2
stan+6.5
indy st +14
clem-3
mia-1.5 (possibly under, same w clem)
oak+11 (another one i could drop)
marist+13.5
santa clara +7 (or over depending on number)
uc irvine +3.5
uc davis-1
siu+8 (kinda iffy)
troy+2.5

then depending on number lean under in okie st/kst, over in byu/sf, cal st ful/northridge over whatever (ha, seriously)...

not only all that but could see myself on hawaii if that possible cause im sure they shouldnt ever lay that many points, lol..looked hard at jmu but saw couple injury/guy taking leave problems there... feel free to get me off some of this shit..guess it not that unusual of a saturday for me just only second card ive played with even close to this many gms since last season...

Man Banker, serious card. I looked and my eyes glazed over. Maybe some coffee will help.

[2daBank]

Man Banker, serious card. I looked and my eyes glazed over. Maybe some coffee will help.

i knw you see that rutgers/pit under, that one on you my friend!!! lol..i actually made it a little lower w/o even factoring in the early start..we at that time of yr where every fri night the wife lets me get away with it (or just get her in bed then back up for me ) will consist of one of many drugs of choice and me trying to bang out a 15-20 play card...lol..seriously only if i see that many worth playing, which typically every sat...10 is a card i dont like, ha... of coarse should be to the point where im playing at least 5 a night with fri being the only exception..

[Madison]

we should've just bet each other and saved the penetrating juice.

i am now a big believer in NFL teasers, love em.

Just stick this advice to your betting device of choice "it's all about the numbers you buy". That is when playing point spread, not so much totals. It's a game of 3,4,7,10, etc. Ideally you should look to buy 3 key numbers in a basic 2 teamer.

GL today gentlemen!

[BiffTFinancial]

went ahead and hit marq, clem, and tex+6 1st half (they been hanging early in most gms)..thought those lines may move against me so grabbed now....add bay/tex under 132 to list of leans, lol..

got a little side-tracked (domestic bliss). back on it. will do games where you have total leans first. agree with Clemson at first blush.

[BiffTFinancial]

officially on-board with Pitt/Rutgers under. i have that one at around 117-120. i think that 1H under 59' is the way to go.

[2daBank]

feels like heaven finally having a BOL account!!! sign me up for over 167 in the fullerton/northridge gm, over 148 zags/santa clara, and mia/gt un 116...so nice to be back to having every total on the board available