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Twolves are HOT tonight! Wallco and jj u guys referring to solo's thread? I just got in today with port. Fingers crossed!Comment -
easy win with minnesota. lakers were also a great bet last night, they weren't gonna lose 3 in a row to the grizzlies. Older brother Pau made sure of that.Comment -
Chase 110
2010-11 System to date: 53-0
System Rules can be found in post #4475
(2/7/11) Minnesota +8 (A) – Win
(A) 28-25
(B) 15-10
(C) 7-3
(D) 3-0
There are no plays for 2/8/11
Next game:
(2/9/11) New Orleans @ N.J. Nets (A) NOT AN OFFICIAL CHASE 110 PLAY**
**Both of these teams have lost three straight (ATS and S/U). However, because they are facing each other in their respective (A) bets, this game is not a system play. If you wish to play this game, knowing one team will probably lose, less a push, then do so at your own risk. The loser of this game will be an official (A) bet in their next game, if they also lose ATS or push. The result of this game will NOT be calculated into yearly totals. If you do wish to play one team, here are some notes. N.J. Nets : three of their next four games are at home. New Orleans: two of their next four are at home, seem to have a slightly easier schedule next four games. Personally, I would wait til next game.Comment -
ok nice Minesota! Anyway what is this all about with chase 110?Is it a system play born by the members of this forum?Comment -
Technically, now would be the best time to start trailing. The system averages about 1 loss per season, and the loss just past will more likely than not be the last loss for this season. You could join in and rake up the remaining units if you wanted!
But yeah, if you decide to follow Solaman for a fresh year, labby lining is a must, as Jmjj said 6 games when your straight chasing can get terrible.Comment -
2/8
JM: SAS [A] -3.5 vs DET (AFTER BUYING 3pts)Comment -
Yea nice solamon win tonight! Am labbying this. Anyone has any idea wads with this Kelly criterion thing? Isit any good? Or is labby the best way to go for chase systems?Comment -
Question for backtesters and other knowledgeable fellows
I'm not sure if this has been answered before, but to keep things short - I am either going to labby line this system without buying points, or do the B/C method with buying points. The only problem is, the sportsbook I switched to juices up 3 points to a whopping -220, the juice is equal to buying 3 points at 2 points, and just over that at 2.5 points, which I will be willing to put up with. My question is this: will my win rate change drastically enough to lose money long term if I only buy 2-2.5 points instead of 3? If so, I may be forced into labby lining and playing at -110.
Thanks guys as always the help is appreciated! If this requires any legwork I would be more than happy to award points to whoever can help. Thanks!Comment -
posted this before. can anyone help me out?
sorry guys. being a little lazy here. can someone direct me to the post that recaps all the records for the versions. i know someone spent the time to backtest the versions for about 5 years. thanks in advance (and my eyes thank you too.)
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what a clusterfukk this thread has become.Comment -
What are the next jm plays? ThxComment -
The point buying has only come into play in two series this season (Dallas, Toronto), the rest of the wins came as a reult of playing M/L or points being offered at (-110). I've been tracking this all year, because this is the way I play a majority of my JM bets. To date, the traditional three point buying system is 94-5. The Alternate way, (M/L and (-110) on dogs) is 92-7. The system you proposed, is also 92-7. You would have the same two extra losses as me, since exactly 3 points were needed to win those two games. But overall, the most profitable way to play this system, THIS YEAR, is the second.
Traditional: 94 units - 94.8 units (5 losses @ 18.68 units) = -1.8 units
M/L and (-110) : 92 units - 57.82 units (7 losses @ 8.26 units) = +34.18 units
I say "this season", because other people on here have run back tests and said over the long haul, which isn't always the only factor in wagering, point buying is more successful. I will continue to play it my way, and if my loss amount starts to approach that of the traditional, I may switch back, being no worse off than I would have been had I bet it that way from the start. But for now, I will be happy being further ahead. But to answer your question, buying 2.5 only hurt you instead of buying 3, at least by my data. I am only being charged (-170) for three points, time you shopped for another book.Comment -
Hey this thread has become a sports investor's thread I am personally very greatfull for all the knowledge giving here whether it has been new systems, money management and system back testing. The evolution this thread has taken has helped me a lot in regards to learning the way of the Jedi Sports Investor and if you can't see the value in the shared knowledge that is given here well just don't come back!
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That is a fantasctic title for it, my friend.Hey this thread has become a sports investor's thread I am personally very greatfull for all the knowledge giving here whether it has been new systems, money management and system back testing. The evolution this thread has taken has helped me a lot in regards to learning the way of the Jedi Sports Investor and if you can't see the value in the shared knowledge that is given here well just don't come back!
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Great win yesterday with Soloman's bet with the Blazers, coming back to its winnings ways no bet for today with Soloman's does anyone know if there are any SBP or TSP bets? Those are the only 2 I don't keep track of.Comment -
Chase 110
2010-11 System to date: 53-0
System Rules can be found in post #4475
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JM's NBA system:
02/07/2011 Minnesota @ New Orleans - V3, A bet - WIN
V1record so far (finished series): 38-3
(A): 19-22
(B): 15-7
(C): 4-3
Lost series:
PHO 11/17-20
DET 12/07-10
UTA 01/17-21
V2 record so far (finished series): 17-1
(A): 12-6
(B): 2-4
(C): 3-1
Lost series:
MIN 10/30-11/03
V3 record so far (finished series): 38-2
(A): 20-20-0 (W-L-P)
(B): 16-3-1 (W-L-P)
(C): 2-1-1 (W-L-P)
Lost series:
CLE 12/04-07
TOR 01/29-02/02 (B bet and C bet were pushes according to covers.com)
Next JM's plays:
02/09/2011 Dallas @ Sacramento - V3, A betComment -
Chase 110 – Official Rules
Find a team that has lost three consecutive games (both S/U and ATS). Play a four game chase on that team to win (A) (B) (C) or (D). If a team is a favorite in any of the games, play the M/L, if the team is a dog in any of the games play the point line (-110). We do not buy points in this system and we do not care if teams were favorites or dogs in the games before the four game chase starts. The only time we would buy points is if your team is a favorite by 1-3 points, and buying down to -1/2 is cheaper than the M/L. Other than that, we are always playing M/L and (-110). I use covers.com as official play site. If covers.com has the game listed as a win, then the series is over. You may have had a different line then them and lost the game, if this is the case, the decision is yours whether or not to continue, but the game will be deemed a win at that point. ALL PUSHES ARE SEEN AS A NO-PLAY. We will treat those games as if they were never played and just skip them. So if your (B) bet is a push, your next bet will be a (B) bet. This system has not been back tested for pre-season or playoffs, this is for regular season only.
Series Filters
Head to Head Filter: If a team loses three straight games (ATS and S/U), check that team’s schedule to see who their next four opponents are. If one of these teams is a team that is already being played in Chase 110, skip wagering on the new team until the first team has concluded their series. This is to avoid possibly betting on both sides of a game. If at that point, the new team has continued their losing streak, you may then pick up your (A) bet on that team, and begin your four game chase. If two teams qualify at the same time, and are scheduled to play each other at some point in their next four games, the team whose potential four game chase would end sooner would be the play. However, if these two teams are scheduled to face each other in their respective (A) bets, this game will not be bet, and the team who loses will be an (A) bet in their next game, provided they also lost ATS or pushed. You may play all teams who lose three games, regardless of who plays who, and just take your chances. This filter was created to eliminate a possible (D) bet disaster. The wins and losses for the season will be calculated using this filter.
When to play: Chase 110 will be played from day 1 of regular season. As the season winds down, when a team qualifies for a play (three losses ATS and S/U), make sure that team has at least four games remaining on their schedule. If not, that team doesn’t qualify. Results were based on a four game chase, so less than four games to play would lessen your chances of victory. Basic rule of thumb, if the losing streak starts in the last six games of a season, there is no way that team will qualify. If some pushes occur, it may go back a few more games.
Continuation Play: When a team loses a series, start a new four game chase on their next game. Since 2003, only one team has failed to cover in one of their next four games (Memphis 2008-09). Most teams have covered on their (A) or (B) bet. These plays are 23-1 (from 2003/04 - Feb 2011).
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Sorry for posting this again, but I was not able to get back into original Chase 110 post to add the filters. I want everyone to see all the rules in one place. Thanks.Comment -
Thanks for your answer Wallco, as far as the book goes, I switched to The Greek not too long ago. I was at Betus getting the -170 line, but they are just bad as a sportsbook. I didn't even get my money from them when I switched books. I'm still working that out, but they are notorious for not giving people payouts, and it wasn't too much so its no biggie.
As for your response, I believe If I played at -110 odds like you do, that is not buying any points, I would just labby line. That is from all that I have read the most efficient way to play if your playing at -110. This is something you should look into if you haven't already, because labby lining would cut down your units lost even more than chasing at -110. I'm not sure if you would have to reincorporate the A bets or not though I suspect it wouldn't hurt when labby lining, as the only reason we leave out the As in the B/C method is because it makes the end chase amount higher, making losses cost even more, and the winning percentage isn't high enough to cancel it out. When you labby you don't really "chase", so the losses are much softer blows. I believe the A's would be safe. Hmm..
I know JW Cash has been labbying this season, we need him in this thread to tell us his +units thus far. If his number is genuine and, obviously, a higher gain, then labby lining A/B/C at -110 and ML would be the best way to play this system.Comment -
Hey this thread has become a sports investor's thread I am personally very greatfull for all the knowledge giving here whether it has been new systems, money management and system back testing. The evolution this thread has taken has helped me a lot in regards to learning the way of the Jedi Sports Investor and if you can't see the value in the shared knowledge that is given here well just don't come back!
i'm surprised anyone would take the time to respond to my statement. okay, i'll take that back. i should've expected to be flogged for my point of view. anyway, i was just getting my 4 points (soon to be sbr books 4pts, most likely).Comment -
Are there really no plays today for:
John Morrison: nothing (I posted SAS before, but i have been corrected on that.)
SBP: I see no post for sbp yet
TPS: nothing
Chase110: nothing
JM hockey v1: nothing
Seems like an off day for all systems we follow on this thread.Comment -
Basketball Crusher
Play of the Day:
Miami -10 over Indiana
System Record: 54-2, lost last 3 games)
Overall Record: 54-48-2
Here is a "D bet" for Crusher. Gives us something to bet on if your interested.
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LOL!!!! hey I didnt have a problem with that post thought it was funny and somewhat true as well hey people on here need not to stop posting what they feel thats what makes these forums great and f the so-called moderators of this site who wanna tell u what to say feel or think lameo lolComment -
SBP original: ATL -3.5 [b]*
SBP updated: San Antonio Spurs -6.5*[A]Comment -
I realized stevex also has been labby lining this, his unit count would help as well. When your chasing at -110 you can have twice as many losses, so there is good leeway for not buying the points. When your labby lining you could probably lose even more on average to still profit. Labbying seems like a great method, just need someone who has been doing it to confirm their unit count...
JW Cash or SteveX, if you have been labby lining, could you please provide your unit count? ThanksComment -
I guess SBP has a new NHL system now......but it is just like his horrendous MLB system.....
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Doesnt Rich Allen and John Morrison live in the same town.............hmmmmmmmmComment -
Well, what can I say? Despite my warning, this thread has become a market place for gamblers. Guys, you've got to go elsewhere for the info.
JMD, you've fallen into the trap (like many do) of thinking that you only need to check in here daily (JM NBA thread) to keep up to date with other systems. It doesn't work; it never will. A simple check of any bookie will tell you that there is a TPS bet tonight.
We've got to bring this thread back on track and discuss Morrison NBA and money management only, and push the other systems elsewhere, even if it means a new thread. Its only one left click away to a whole new world people. Solaman's thread is alive, SBP is also working. So, why the **** are you discussing them here? (not you JMD, but others). If I want to find out what the Solaman play is tonight, I can either go to the JM NBA thread or the Solaman NBA road thread. Guess where I'm gonna go? Wake up people. Use the interweb properly.
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Amen kev!!!!Comment -
Solaman has seen the light.....and is now testing his fabled Road System
with the famous 3- line Labby......
A look at the November results using the 3 line labby were impressive to say the least........
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Looks like Indiana was a TPS play tonite.......
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Today's Pick for Tuesday, February 8, 2011,
* NBA Triple Play Pick *
Indiana Pacers (A) 7:35PM ESTComment
