Anybody notice how much better the Lakers were without Kobe?

**lakerboy** · 02-07-10, 12:19 PM

Exactly they arent a one man team like the cavs.

**HoulihansTX** · 02-07-10, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

Exactly they arent a one man team like the cavs.

Why does Kobe act like he is the only one on the team then?

Ego?
Lack of Trust?

**lakerboy** · 02-07-10, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

Why does Kobe act like he is the only one on the team then?

Ego?
Lack of Trust?

I think he has a big ego but most NBA stars do. I think last year he willed them to a title but they have some very good players and when kobe commands double teams they are very hard to beat

**HoulihansTX** · 02-07-10, 12:23 PM

I know they will need him for the playoffs, but in the regular season it seems like Kobe could rest his legs.

**lakerboy** · 02-07-10, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

I know they will need him for the playoffs, but in the regular season it seems like Kobe could rest his legs.

Agreed i think he is going to shut it down for the next few games. He has played a lot of ball the last few years, some rest would do him and the team good.

**Mybologne** · 02-07-10, 12:47 PM

because evertyhing revolves around kobe when he's in. when he's not every1 steps up.. they should step up with or without him. but they tend to get lazy when kobe's in.

**Rixsaw** · 02-07-10, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

Why does Kobe act like he is the only one on the team then? Ego? Lack of Trust?

Because he can carry the whole team on his back just like LeBron.
Because he can create his own shot, and shoot from any spot on the court.
Because he can elevate the team momentum.

Lets not kid yourself. This team won't get anywhere without Kobe. They can beat average teams without Kobe, but not elite teams. We can't blame Kobe's ego neither. After all, he is one of the best player that ever played the game. How many cappers in this forum have an ego after a hot streak?

By the way, I hate the Lakers

**williams22** · 02-07-10, 01:19 PM

Not only did many Lakers put up better stats last night (to be expected when they have to pick up the slack from 22 shot attempts a game missing), but many of them truly played better. This is the core of why I hate Kobe. He is a detriment to his teammates at times. He is good enough that sometimes (more often than not) his abilities can overshadow this, but he doesn't make everyone around him better. Not only does his style of play affect his teammates, but his attitude has a negative effect as well.

In response to Houlihans question above, I think it is both an ego thing and a lack of trust in his teammates. I think the ego leads to the lack of trust.

The ball certainly moved a lot better for the Lakers last night.

That being said, I still don't think the Lakers are as deep as they need to be, and they need to address their PG issues soon. Hinrich would be a big help.

**HoulihansTX** · 02-08-10, 11:00 PM

Lets see if I eyes deceive me.

Lakers -2.5 (minus Kobe) which is a plus to me.

**williams22** · 02-08-10, 11:15 PM

I think Bynum being out may be the game-changer tonight.

**HoulihansTX** · 02-09-10, 01:17 AM

101-89 Lakers

w/o Kobe, and Bynum

**No coincidences** · 02-09-10, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

101-89 Lakers

w/o Kobe, and Bynum

True, but man, the Spurs played dead after that first quarter. 55 points the rest of the way? Wow.

**yisman** · 02-09-10, 01:20 AM

They definitely should sit him for the next game, and that would be the case whether they played well or not tonight.

For me, tonight's game came down to Gasol having a monster game and the San Antonio offense not executing or hitting jump shots.

Gasol was more than just the MVP of the game tonight.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 02-09-10, 01:22 AM

The Laker's offense isn't as good with Kobe on the floor at times. They sometimes stand around watching Kobe instead of running the offense. Having Kobe is a blessing and a curse at times. He's their go to but it makes guy's like Artest and Odum tentative.

**HoulihansTX** · 02-09-10, 01:25 AM

5 Lakers in double figures

Gasol, and Odom both go for Double doubles.

Dont let people tell you that Odom is inconsistent, or not dependable. He plays when he get an ample amount of shots, and when he is allowed to flourish. He is a waste when the team doesnt look his way.

When Kobe is in Bynum/Gasol/Odom are relegated to getting put-backs.

I know Kobe is good, but who does he empower on the Lakers?

Gl to all

**LeZog** · 02-09-10, 01:26 AM

Imagine if LeBron was running the show with Pau, Bynum, Artest, Odom. He might actually average a triple double on such a team. He would definitely average something like 24 points, 13 assists.

**HoulihansTX** · 02-09-10, 01:27 AM

And for the record I put Kobe as one of the top talents in the NBA all-time. Also I admire him changing his game over the summer, by learning how to score in the low post.

**RaisyDaisy** · 02-09-10, 01:32 AM

Once Kobe gets healed up, he will be better. Don't forget with all that injuries, of course he can't shoot at a high clip. But teams will always put the extra eye on him to free up others.

**williams22** · 02-09-10, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

5 Lakers in double figures

Gasol, and Odom both go for Double doubles.

Dont let people tell you that Odom is inconsistent, or not dependable. He plays when he get an ample amount of shots, and when he is allowed to flourish. He is a waste when the team doesnt look his way.

When Kobe is in Bynum/Gasol/Odom are relegated to getting put-backs.

I know Kobe is good, but who does he empower on the Lakers?

Gl to all

Very well put. It's not that Kobe's not talented, it's that his talent doesn't enhance those around him. I still contest that Odom would have been an all-star in his prime if he didn't have to play in Kobe's shadow.

**NYSportsGuy210** · 02-09-10, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by williams22

Very well put. It's not that Kobe's not talented, it's that his talent doesn't enhance those around him. I still contest that Odom would have been and all-star in his prime is he didn't have to play in Kobe's shadow.

Please.

**tealish** · 02-09-10, 02:08 AM

It's easy to hate Kobe, and it's fun to. I know, because I don't like the guy either and have only moved away from "hate" the last year or so. But let's not be silly -- cite this 2 game winning streak sans Kobe all you want...but the plain truth is that the Lakers unequivocally need Jellybean Jr if they want to contend for the title.

**williams22** · 02-09-10, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by NYSportsGuy210

Please.

You're welcome? It's true. The offense doesn't flow nearly as well with Kobe in the game sometimes. Kobe doesn't improve those around him near as much as he should.

**williams22** · 02-09-10, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by tealish

It's easy to hate Kobe, and it's fun to. I know, because I don't like the guy either and have only moved away from "hate" the last year or so. But let's not be silly -- cite this 2 game winning streak sans Kobe all you want...but the plain truth is that the Lakers unequivocally need Jellybean Jr if they want to contend for the title.

Oh absolutely. No one would be dumb enough to argue that. I'm just saying that these games show that he does have certain negative effects as well.

**HoulihansTX** · 02-09-10, 01:11 PM

All I'm saying is that the Lakers are not dependent upon Kobe going for 30, in order to have success.

If you have a team that you can get efficient production out of 5 of yours guys, its way better than allowing one guy to dominant the ball.

Take Kobe away from the Lakers, and they are still a playoff team. Do they contend for a Championship? Mostly likely not, but they would still have a better chance than 80% of the League.

**Ralphie1412** · 02-09-10, 01:14 PM

I think if you take Kobe away that team is a contender. They have played GREAT together for 2 games, imagine after a few years. Very unselfish group. Lamar Odom is looking like the Old Lamar. He is very underrated, very versatile player.

**HoulihansTX** · 02-09-10, 01:15 PM

Their is talent all over that team, but they get no shots.

**williams22** · 02-09-10, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

Their is talent all over that team, but they get no shots.

Definitely talent, although I would still say they are lacking big time at the point. Lamar can help make up for that somewhat though.

**Ralphie1412** · 02-09-10, 01:20 PM

I dont think so, if Kobe had left Derrek Fisher has what it takes to run the point, and farmar is a great guy off the bench.

**HoulihansTX** · 02-09-10, 01:22 PM

Funny how Artest wakes up from his grave once Kobe takes time off. Also Lamar has two productive games in a row, for the first time since joining the Lakers.

**williams22** · 02-09-10, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Ralphie1412

I dont think so, if Kobe had left Derrek Fisher has what it takes to run the point, and farmar is a great guy off the bench.

Derek Fisher is done, he shouldn't be starting. Farmar is okay, at best. However, when Kobe is the game the PG hardly matters since he dictates what happens.

I'm not surprised at all that Artest and Odom have played well lately. Definitely talented guys, they just barely get any plays ran for them with Kobe on the court.

By the way, I gotta think that the Lakers' recent success is eating at Kobe a little.

**Ralphie1412** · 02-09-10, 01:27 PM

Clearly you hate lamar hahaha.....I have liked him since college and feel he isnt used properly.

**williams22** · 02-09-10, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Ralphie1412

Clearly you hate lamar hahaha.....I have liked him since college and feel he isnt used properly.

I don't think Houli hates Lamar (could be wrong), he just never gets his proper share in LA. This is a guy who could have been an All-Star if put in the right situation.

**Ralphie1412** · 02-09-10, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by williams22

Derek Fisher is done, he shouldn't be starting. Farmar is okay, at best. However, when Kobe is the game the PG hardly matters since he dictates what happens.

I'm not surprised at all that Artest and Odom have played well lately. Definitely talented guys, they just barely get any plays ran for them with Kobe on the court.

By the way, I gotta think that the Lakers' recent success is eating at Kobe a little.

Fisher isnt done, he was huge last year and he is BIG for them in ways people dont see. Watch next time kobe plays and misses 2 quick shots in a row without moving the ball around, fisher will bring the ball up and WILL NOT pass it to him, he will work the ball around. Fisher is a perfect guy to have with a guy like kobe.

**williams22** · 02-09-10, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by Ralphie1412

Fisher isnt done, he was huge last year and he is BIG for them in ways people dont see. Watch next time kobe plays and misses 2 quick shots in a row without moving the ball around, fisher will bring the ball up and WILL NOT pass it to him, he will work the ball around. Fisher is a perfect guy to have with a guy like kobe.

He's smart, no doubt about that, but he's a huge liability. He can't create for guys anymore and his age is catching up with him on defense. He would be a great backup, but I don't know about him starting.