Anybody notice how much better the Lakers were without Kobe?

[Preston09]

Lebron's never comes through in th clutch. 70% of the time Williams? Didn't we just go over this? Kobe has hit over 50% of his game winning opportunities. Lebron has hit about 25%.

I'm going to keep saying this to shut you up: 75 percent of the players in the league (NBA) voted that they want Kobe to take the last shot of the game if he were on their team over just 3% for Lebron. Silence.

These are made up, obviously.

[zigomanisinsider]

kobe choking right lebron 75 % at line kobe 85 % aleast kobe dont choke like lebron in playoffs

[kobefanatic]

Lebron has the best clutch numbers of anyone in the league, period.

Kobe shoots less than 30% on game-winning attempts, yet no one wants to talk about the ones he missed. He choked last night, BIG TIME. Kobe isn't even the second best player in the league anymore.

williams good luck to your boy lebron in the playoffs, he has a good team with him right now if he chokes again i hope you won't make any excuses for him, just like your saying kobe fans are making for kobe right now

i personally think kobe intentionally tank last night against portland to avoid them in the 1st round, lakers are avoiding the blazers because they can actually win against them, they would rather face OKC than portland

[Climate]

I did.

Much more efficient on offense. Nobody took more than 15 shots, and the offense actually ran the triangle offense. 6 players in double figures scoring.

And they beat the T-Blazers for the first time in 9-games.

There's enough talent on this team to win without Kobe for a long time.

I know kool-aid is good, but it ain't that good.

Lakers win without Kobe for about 2 or 3 games, then they start struggling. You can't focus like the 7th game of a play-off series during the ups and downs of an 82 game schedule.

Kobe plays all-out, all-the-time. Great player, not so great teammate, everyone already knows that. I love Kobe as a player, great talent, great intensity, first vote hall-of-famer.

But I'd hate to have to deal with him every day. Word has it he can be hard on people around him. I hear his wife will cuss you out outside the locker room if you write a negative article on Kobe.

But I know what I'd like to do to her.

[freelee]

kobe in his best scoring year averaged 35.4 and stackhouse 29.8, it's too far off it's not similar
stackhouse's best year 29.8ppg 3.9 rpg 5.1apg 1.2stls 40% fg
kobe's best year 35.4ppg 5.3 ppg 4.5apg 1.8 stls 45% fg
how is that similar? kobe owns him in almost every category

i didn't say a prime kobe vs a prime stackhouse i said a prime stackhouse vs kobe now and kobe for his career are very similiar

[kobefanatic]

i didn't say a prime kobe vs a prime stackhouse i said a prime stackhouse vs kobe now and kobe for his career are very similiar

what kind of comparison is that? it's unfair to kobe any way you look at it

[williams22]

williams good luck to your boy lebron in the playoffs, he has a good team with him right now if he chokes again i hope you won't make any excuses for him, just like your saying kobe fans are making for kobe right now

i personally think kobe intentionally tank last night against portland to avoid them in the 1st round, lakers are avoiding the blazers because they can actually win against them, they would rather face OKC than portland

Please explain to me how Lebron choked in the playoffs? He performed better than Kobe ever has. His team wasn't good enough to beat the matchup problems they faced against Orlando, it wasn't Lebron "choking". If you think it was, then Kobe choked for 3 years after he forced Shaq to be traded.

[kobefanatic]

Please explain to me how Lebron choked in the playoffs? He performed better than Kobe ever has. His team wasn't good enough to beat the matchup problems they faced against Orlando, it wasn't Lebron "choking". If you think it was, then Kobe choked for 3 years after he forced Shaq to be traded.

ok then, if lebron loses to orlando again this year, besides your reason with lebron losing to the magic is the same reason lakers losing to the suns matchup problems

[Preston09]

what kind of comparison is that? it's unfair to kobe any way you look at it

He is basically saying that Kobe is praised as the best "now" and "MVP" this and "MVP" that, but when Stakhouse was putting up similar numbers he never got that kind of respect by anyone.

[kobefanatic]

He is basically saying that Kobe is praised as the best "now" and "MVP" this and "MVP" that, but when Stakhouse was putting up similar numbers he never got that kind of respect by anyone.

how can he compare kobe to stackhouse? when stackhouse only has one good season that he averaged like that, when kobe is consistent putting up those kind of numbers for consecutive season

[hels]

Lebron saying he can lead the league in whatever stats he wants to (points, assists, boards etc.) doesn't come close to the ability to close out games. Kobe can do it, Lebron can't. Times change and I'm sure Lebron will improve but this is today and we only care about what happens this season, not 10 seasons down the road.

I still clearly remember the game winning shot Kobe made against the Raps this year. This is why people want him in the clutch situations.

[jon13009]

Kobe is just resting up. Playoffs is all that matters.

[williams22]

Lebron saying he can lead the league in whatever stats he wants to (points, assists, boards etc.) doesn't come close to the ability to close out games. Kobe can do it, Lebron can't. Times change and I'm sure Lebron will improve but this is today and we only care about what happens this season, not 10 seasons down the road.

I still clearly remember the game winning shot Kobe made against the Raps this year. This is why people want him in the clutch situations.

When will people learn? Kobe shoots below the league average in game-winning situations, he just takes more of them than anyone. He's also threatened death upon any ESPN producer who dares show a clip of his misses.

Lebron has the best "clutch" numbers of any player in the league, by a long shot.

[Wade Dwayne]

Not piking sides here but i think Kobe also missed a buzzer beater against toronto this season.

[Preston09]

how can he compare kobe to stackhouse? when stackhouse only has one good season that he averaged like that, when kobe is consistent putting up those kind of numbers for consecutive season

Because he can compare similar numbers, but what I said is the difference is the glorification of the two. I know Kobe is a fantasic ball player.

These are made up, obviously.

Foot in mouth, your right I just got the article from you.

[kobefanatic]

Because he can compare similar numbers, but what I said is the difference is the glorification of the two. I know Kobe is a fantasic ball player.





Foot in mouth, your right I just got the article from you.

when did i post any article? and that kind of comparison is simply retarded, stats of 1 season to a player's stats for his career

[Goat Milk]

Foot in mouth, your right I just got the article from you.

Williams,

The guys on the court know best, if 75 percent of 190 of them say Kobe is the most clutch player in the league, and only 3 percent say Lebron, then that's it. It's settled. You honestly can't argue with that. You listen to too much garbage on ESPN. These guys are all over Lebron's cock.

BTW, you were raggin kobe for missing those fts in a reg season game. Lebron air balled a ft in the closing seconds of the finals against the spurs where they could have won the game. He also choked at the line against the Pacers in the playoffs years prior, and countless other buzzer beaters he's missed. NBA players know that he's not good with 5 or less seconds to go because his jump shot is unreliable, and he just tries to drive it to the rim.

Kobe is deadly and can nail a fadeaway with 3 guys in his face at the buzzer.

FYI: Kobe has hit more buzzer beater shots THIS SEASON (not fts or go ahead layups in final seconds), just jump shots to win the game, than Lebron has hit in his whole career! And going by your stats of clutchness at the end of games, that would make Lou Williams the backup pg for the Sixers a top 5 clutch player in the league (because the stats say so). RIGHTTTTTT...

[williams22]

Williams,

The guys on the court know best, if 75 percent of 190 of them say Kobe is the most clutch player in the league, and only 3 percent say Lebron, then that's it. It's settled. You honestly can't argue with that. You listen to too much garbage on ESPN. These guys are all over Lebron's cock.

BTW, you were raggin kobe for missing those fts in a reg season game. Lebron air balled a ft in the closing seconds of the finals against the spurs where they could have won the game. He also choked at the line against the Pacers in the playoffs years prior, and countless other buzzer beaters he's missed. NBA players know that he's not good with 5 or less seconds to go because his jump shot is unreliable, and he just tries to drive it to the rim.

Kobe is deadly and can nail a fadeaway with 3 guys in his face at the buzzer.

FYI: Kobe has hit more buzzer beater shots THIS SEASON (not fts or go ahead layups in final seconds), just jump shots to win the game, than Lebron has hit in his whole career! And going by your stats of clutchness at the end of games, that would make Lou Williams the backup pg for the Sixers a top 5 clutch player in the league (because the stats say so). RIGHTTTTTT...

You're a broken record huh? Again, Lebron doesn't let games get to the final shot, he takes them over and finishes them before that. Kobe shoots less than 30% on game winners. Lebron's clutch stats blow Kobe away.

Oh yeah, and Lebron is about to win the MVP unanimously.

[freelee]

He is basically saying that Kobe is praised as the best "now" and "MVP" this and "MVP" that, but when Stakhouse was putting up similar numbers he never got that kind of respect by anyone.

exactly kobe's career > Stackhouse's career no question but they both have similiar skill sets one was just hyped up much more than the other one

[kobefanatic]

exactly kobe's career > Stackhouse's career no question but they both have similiar skill sets one was just hyped up much more than the other one

similar skill sets?

[Preston09]

when did i post any article? and that kind of comparison is simply retarded, stats of 1 season to a player's stats for his career

The article was in response to Goat Milk not you. As you can see I double quoted in my post.
Sports mags, ESPN and other sports networks compare stats like these everyday, so you think they are retarded but obviously somebody thinks they are sensible.

similar skill sets?

Wow probably the most bias Kobe fan.

[scratbandit]

kobe and the lakers are the best team in the west period. I got my suns taking it to them...

[kobefanatic]

The article was in response to Goat Milk not you. As you can see I double quoted in my post.
Sports mags, ESPN and other sports networks compare stats like these everyday, so you think they are retarded but obviously somebody thinks they are sensible.



Wow probably the most bias Kobe fan.

what skill sets are they similar in? can you please elaborate? kobe is a future hall of famer, one of the best to play the game, and he is hyped up? you all know the media doesn't like kobe yet you're saying he's hyped up? media tries to bring kobe down all the time, if he's hyped up by the media then he should have won at least 2 MVP awards already

[kobefanatic]

someone becomes hyped up if they are being pushed by the media and they don't perform what is expected of them, kobe isn't one of them

[freelee]

what skill sets are they similar in? can you please elaborate? kobe is a future hall of famer, one of the best to play the game, and he is hyped up? you all know the media doesn't like kobe yet you're saying he's hyped up? media tries to bring kobe down all the time, if he's hyped up by the media then he should have won at least 2 MVP awards already

what other year should kobe have won the MVP award his team barely made the playoffs and lost in round 1 every year after Shaq left and when Shaq was on the team he wasn't even MVP of the lakers. You're out of your mind if you don't think the media has a crush on kobe just i post stats and facts all you post are bias opinions.

[kobefanatic]

what other year should kobe have won the MVP award his team barely made the playoffs and lost in round 1 every year after Shaq left and when Shaq was on the team he wasn't even MVP of the lakers. You're out of your mind if you don't think the media has a crush on kobe just i post stats and facts all you post are bias opinions.

2002-2003 look at his stats i think that is his best seasons stat wise pretty balanced game, and yeah how can he win with a team who can barely win 10 games without him SMUSH PARKER who's not even in the league right now and kwame brown who can't catch the ball to save his life, only lamar odom is good on that team besides kobe, media doesn't like kobe as much as you think and you're much biased than me comparing a guy with 1 good statistical season to kobe's career stats, kobe and shaq are opton 1a and 1b starting 01-02 season shaq may have won finals MVP but kobe is starting to be a great player during that season so their 1a and 1b
stackhouse

[kobefanatic]

what other year should kobe have won the MVP award his team barely made the playoffs and lost in round 1 every year after Shaq left and when Shaq was on the team he wasn't even MVP of the lakers. You're out of your mind if you don't think the media has a crush on kobe just i post stats and facts all you post are bias opinions.

did you create an account just to bash kobe here? can't see you posting elsewhere just here, to talk about kobe and the almighty stackhouse

[williams22]

Alas, we've reached the playoffs. Now when Kobe sucks and causes his team to lose (like he's been doing since the all-star break routinely) you Kobe-lovers have no more excuses.

[kobefanatic]

Alas, we've reached the playoffs. Now when Kobe sucks and causes his team to lose (like he's been doing since the all-star break routinely) you Kobe-lovers have no more excuses.

what you're saying is also applicable to you, when lebron loses you won't have any excuses too

[williams22]

what you're saying is also applicable to you, when lebron loses you won't have any excuses too

Lebron hasn't been letting his team down this year like Kobe has

[qbettran]

u guys think the lakers can go far without kobe? they havent blown out any teams. or covered any spread lately without kobe. he means alot to the lakers and they are the champs thanks to him. and they also have another shot at the title thanks to him.

[kobefanatic]

Lebron hasn't been letting his team down this year like Kobe has

yeah so far but if either of of them loses let's not make excuses

[lakerboy]

Wow this thread is hilarious. I saw someone compare Stackhouse to Kobe.

[kobefanatic]

stackhouse is so damn good similar skill sets to kobe someone's smoking crack or maybe he's stackhouse's relative/ little brother

[Preston09]

Interesting that someone with the username: Lakerboy finds that comparison hilarious. You guys blow my mind.