Anybody notice how much better the Lakers were without Kobe?

[kobefanatic]

Interesting that someone with the username: Lakerboy finds that comparison hilarious. You guys blow my mind.

because comparing him to the almighty can't do shit stackhouse is pretty insulting

[Goat Milk]

Williams22,

One more thing,

That year Kobe averaged 36 a game, 81 point game (probably that's the last time in history that this will be done), outscoring a whole team by yourself in 3 quarters (kobe outscored the whole mavericks team 62-61 after 3 quarters in that season), you know he deserved MVP right. Who got it that year Nash? I'm pretty sure it was Nash, whose numbers sucked dick compared to kobes. Nash's numbers today are better than they were in that season he won MVP. Bullshit. Just because of that fvckin rape case. The league didn't want to give him MVP what bullshit

[kobefanatic]

Williams22,

One more thing,

That year Kobe averaged 36 a game, 81 point game (probably that's the last time in history that this will be done), outscoring a whole team by yourself in 3 quarters (kobe outscored the whole mavericks team 62-61 after 3 quarters in that season), you know he deserved MVP right. Who got it that year Nash? I'm pretty sure it was Nash, whose numbers sucked dick compared to kobes. Nash's numbers today are better than they were in that season he won MVP. Bullshit. Just because of that fvckin rape case. The league didn't want to give him MVP what bullshit

goat how do you feel someone comparing kobe to stackhouse?

[yisman]

Exactly kobe is definately a talent but he's been hyped up because he plays in LA Jerry Stackhouse would have had a similiar career with similiar hype if he had been drafted by LA and played second banana on Shaq's championship teams

hell no.

[kobefanatic]

hell no.

that guy is stackhouse's relative, he defends stackhouse with no valid points

[yisman]

Not being able to score doesn't not equal "toying". The Lakers have problems. Derek Fisher should retire, for starters.

absolutely. Lakers have been without a decent PG for years.

It's amazing how much hatred there is for the great ones, though.

LeBron gets threads started about how overrated he is, and then we have someone claiming that Kobe is no better than Jerry Stackhouse. Kobe is one of the great talents in NBA history, and was a core part of the three titles with Shaq. Just as Kobe was fortunate to join a team with Shaq on it, Shaq was fortunate to have had Kobe join the team, and even he'd admit to that. Without Kobe, I don't think they win any of those titles.

Jerry Stackhouse? Please.

[kobefanatic]

williams22 as much as you hate kobe, do you think a prime stackhouse is comparable to kobe? do you think they have similar skill sets?

[williams22]

williams22 as much as you hate kobe, do you think a prime stackhouse is comparable to kobe? do you think they have similar skill sets?

As I stated when the reference was first made, no, I find it insulting.

That being said, I think it's pretty clear that Kobe is no longer top-dog in the league and may not even be in the top 3 anymore.

I've got tickets to see my first-ever Cavs playoff game tomorrow and I can't fvcking wait! I'm sitting just a few rows behind the Cavs bench.

[HoulihansTX]

Durant is better than Kobe.

He is a better teammate, scorer, and the defense is a wash.

Durant will win at least 2 games by himself in this series.

[williams22]

Williams22,

One more thing,

That year Kobe averaged 36 a game, 81 point game (probably that's the last time in history that this will be done), outscoring a whole team by yourself in 3 quarters (kobe outscored the whole mavericks team 62-61 after 3 quarters in that season), you know he deserved MVP right. Who got it that year Nash? I'm pretty sure it was Nash, whose numbers sucked dick compared to kobes. Nash's numbers today are better than they were in that season he won MVP. Bullshit. Just because of that fvckin rape case. The league didn't want to give him MVP what bullshit

Not that I condone the rape (it leads partially to why I think he's an awful human being), but yeah, that MVP vote was screwed up. Many have been in the past. Just like Kobe deserve the MVP in 2008, that was a make up for the one you are talking about.

MVP voters are retarded. Many vote with clear homer intentions and even more try to make a surprise pick instead of picking the obvious choice as if it somehow makes them someone with more knowledge of the game.

By the way, Nash didn't deserve it in 2005 either, it should have been Shaq. Go back a little further and Karl Malone definitely didn't deserve the MVP in '97, but voters were bored of voting for Jordan (I see this happening with Lebron, soon).

[williams22]

Durant is better than Kobe.

He is a better teammate, scorer, and the defense is a wash.

Durant will win at least 2 games by himself in this series.

Better teammate? Definitely.
Better scorer? Probably.
Better defender? No way, not yet. I hate Kobe, but even I can't say this. Durant has given himself fully to the defensive end yet, but he will in time (just as Lebron has started to do more and more).

I can't wait for this series, it should be one of the best of the first round.

[capper123]

kobe versus lebron have em play and see that lebron stuffs kobes weak self. he cant attack the rim like lebron he cant d up like lebron. in other words lebron is hands down the best player in the nba and kobe is top ten. durant is better hes a better shooter whos more agressive than kobe id take tim duncan nash carmello even dwight howard before id take kobe. shaq let him shine and when shaq left the other players stepped up fisher gasol bynum odom. lebron has west and big mo but they get hot early they cant close the game without lebron. kobes teamates certainly can. kobe is way overatted!!! lebron will continue to win games and if he cant win the championships then so be it he produces day in and day out. besides cavs beat the lakers this year lebron dont worry bout your team all the hype and you getting help just do your thing. keep producing dont worry bout the championships. hey look at marino in football that dude got skills and no championships still one of the best quarterbacks ever.

[yisman]

Nash didn't deserve either MVP.

[Goat Milk]

Durant is better than Kobe.

He is a better teammate, scorer, and the defense is a wash.

Durant will win at least 2 games by himself in this series.

You don't know anything about basketball. A guy comes in and tears it up for one season, and your already calling him better than Kobe? Kobe had one of the worst seasons of his career this year and still averaged 27 5 and 5. He played with multiple injuries might I add. And hit double the amount of buzzer beaters this season than Durant has hit in his three year career.

- Durant doesn't even averaged three assists per game, even with all the time he has the ball in his hands.
- Durant is just a scorer right now, he'd be honored if his name was even in the top 5 in the league discussion
- Durant is just an average defender right now. Kobe is one of the best defensive players in NBA history.

- You just got done saying that OKC will win the series, why don't we put a little wager on it?

Williams,

Kobe is not a top dog and not top 3? WTF are you smoking? He's about to have one of the worst seasons of his career (even though its still a great season) AND HELL STILL COME IN 3rd at least in the MVP voting. Hes still going to make first team nba DEFENSE AND OFFENSE. Not top 3?

Only a Newbie that knows nothing about basketball would put Durant in the top 3 right now. You can't be in the top 5 even if you don't play defense. Lebron, Wade, do you know why their defense is so good right now? It's all because of playing with Kobe in the olympics.

Every knowledgable NBA analyst/spectator knows that the top 3 in the league no particular order are wade, kobe, and lebron. These 3 are also on a whole nother level than the 4 and 5 spot. and when it's all said and done, these 3 players will go down as 3 of the top 10-15 players ever to play the game. Durant will never join that elite company. Neither will Carmello.

[yisman]

Durant has a high ceiling.

Also, I don't think Wade is top 10 in NBA history.

[Goat Milk]

Durant has a high ceiling.

Also, I don't think Wade is top 10 in NBA history.

I said when those three retire, they will go down as 3 of the top 10-15 ever. Not right now. Wade will be first team defense and offense for the next 5 years.

[kobefanatic]

one thing for sure KOBE is the most talked about player in this site thank you very much at least i know my idol is important

[mv09]

The rest of the team play their best when they know their star player is out. its understandable that they'd play better without him for a stretch - but they would never keep it up over an entire season

[HoulihansTX]

Kobe is sharing the ball....


Uh Oh

[freelee]

absolutely. Lakers have been without a decent PG for years.

It's amazing how much hatred there is for the great ones, though.

LeBron gets threads started about how overrated he is, and then we have someone claiming that Kobe is no better than Jerry Stackhouse. Kobe is one of the great talents in NBA history, and was a core part of the three titles with Shaq. Just as Kobe was fortunate to join a team with Shaq on it, Shaq was fortunate to have had Kobe join the team, and even he'd admit to that. Without Kobe, I don't think they win any of those titles.

Jerry Stackhouse? Please.

I think if they dealt kobe and kept Eddie Jones they would have won 5 or 6 titles but that's just my opinion no more valid than yours

[freelee]

kobe really proved his clutchness last night if the refs didn't favor him so much he would be as irrelevant as Stackhouse right now

[kobefanatic]

I think if they dealt kobe and kept Eddie Jones they would have won 5 or 6 titles but that's just my opinion no more valid than yours

oh please OMFG

[kobefanatic]

I think if they dealt kobe and kept Eddie Jones they would have won 5 or 6 titles but that's just my opinion no more valid than yours

kobe really proved his clutchness last night if the refs didn't favor him so much he would be as irrelevant as Stackhouse right now

damn now eddie jones is a better player to keep than kobe
you have mad love for stackhouse are you his brother?

[freelee]

You don't know anything about basketball. A guy comes in and tears it up for one season, and your already calling him better than Kobe? Kobe had one of the worst seasons of his career this year and still averaged 27 5 and 5. He played with multiple injuries might I add. And hit double the amount of buzzer beaters this season than Durant has hit in his three year career.

- Durant doesn't even averaged three assists per game, even with all the time he has the ball in his hands.
- Durant is just a scorer right now, he'd be honored if his name was even in the top 5 in the league discussion
- Durant is just an average defender right now. Kobe is one of the best defensive players in NBA history.

- You just got done saying that OKC will win the series, why don't we put a little wager on it?

Williams,

Kobe is not a top dog and not top 3? WTF are you smoking? He's about to have one of the worst seasons of his career (even though its still a great season) AND HELL STILL COME IN 3rd at least in the MVP voting. Hes still going to make first team nba DEFENSE AND OFFENSE. Not top 3?

Only a Newbie that knows nothing about basketball would put Durant in the top 3 right now. You can't be in the top 5 even if you don't play defense. Lebron, Wade, do you know why their defense is so good right now? It's all because of playing with Kobe in the olympics.

Every knowledgable NBA analyst/spectator knows that the top 3 in the league no particular order are wade, kobe, and lebron. These 3 are also on a whole nother level than the 4 and 5 spot. and when it's all said and done, these 3 players will go down as 3 of the top 10-15 players ever to play the game. Durant will never join that elite company. Neither will Carmello.

If there's one thing i can't understand about laker fans it's that they think kobe is a good defensive playerIf he's so great why does he always guard the other teams worst offensive player. Last year in the playoffs kobe guarded Anthony Carter and Dahantay Jones when they played the Nuggets (avoided Chauncy and Carmelo), when they played the Rockets he guarded Shane Battier (avoided Aaron Brooks and Ron Artest), when they played the Jazz he guarded Ronnie Brewer (avoided Deron Williams), and when they played the Magic he guarded Courtney Lee (avoided Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis) this year he's guarding Jeff Green and avoiding Durant and Westbrook on the other hand you have Lebron stepping up and guarding Rose in an unsuccessful effort but at least he's confident enough to guard the other teams best player unlike kobe. Not to mention the year before when kobe choked against the Celtics shooting an atrocious percentage most games there was nobody for kobe to guard Phil should have benched him Rondo was too quick, Pierce was too good, so they stuck him on the ice cold Ray Allen who was shut down the series before by Wally World and what happened Ray Allen absolutely torched kobe.

[freelee]

damn now eddie jones is a better player to keep than kobe
you have mad love for stackhouse are you his brother?

I already tried to explain to you the Stackhouse comparison but you don't seem to understand nobody myself included is saying Stackhouse had as good a career as kobe.

[freelee]

damn now eddie jones is a better player to keep than kobe
you have mad love for stackhouse are you his brother?

chemistry is more important than talent kobe absolutely screwed the lakers out of a championship against the Pistons if i was a laker fan i would never have forgave him for that series he played horrible and selfish

[kobefanatic]

I already tried to explain to you the Stackhouse comparison but you don't seem to understand nobody myself included is saying Stackhouse had as good a career as kobe.

ok i think you will find less than LOGICAL person 5 who will agree with you, did you create an account here just to tell everyone about stackhouse or to bash kobe?

[freelee]

kobefanatic do you realize all you ever bring to the argument is opinion which is obviously pretty bias

[kobefanatic]

kobefanatic do you realize all you ever bring to the argument is opinion which is obviously pretty bias

how about your opinion? don't you think it's pretty bias and stupid too, stackhouse compared to kobe, they're skill sets are not even comparable

[freelee]

ok i think you will find less than LOGICAL person 5 who will agree with you, did you create an account here just to tell everyone about stackhouse or to bash kobe?

do you think kobe is great defender?

[freelee]

how about your opinion? don't you think it's pretty bias and stupid too, stackhouse compared to kobe, they're skill sets are not even comparable

yes my opinion is bias as well but at least i bring stats and facts as well as my opinion

[kobefanatic]

do you think kobe is great defender?

better than your stackhouse

[freelee]

how about your opinion? don't you think it's pretty bias and stupid too, stackhouse compared to kobe, they're skill sets are not even comparable

i compared kobe's career to a prime stackhouse and showed how close their numbers were stackhouse didn't have longevity but that doesn't take away from his skill set he had a very comparable skill set to kobe but he doesn't' anymore do you understand now

[kobefanatic]

yes my opinion is bias as well but at least i bring stats and facts as well as my opinion

what facts? stats? 1 season of stackhouse's stats compared to the stats of kobe's career? damn if you think they're skill sets are similar , anyway if stackhouse is that good he should be able to carry that wizards team to the playoffs when he was the top dog on that team

[freelee]

better than your stackhouse

so is that a no? i can respect your opinion much more if you can admit kobe is a pretty awful defender