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  • str
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 01-12-09
    • 11924

    #11551
    Originally posted by batt33
    Str, What is your take on the Article in the Blood horse Magazine on the cancellation?
    Sorry Batt. Busy week.

    1. 1st cancellation in recent memory?

    For lack of entries, I do not recall that happening unless it snuck in when I was gone.

    2. Go up against the Va. Derby?

    Big overlook to run on Va. Derby day. They share horses so everyone will go there for the bigger pots.

    I cannot imagine that will take place next year. Make it a dark day or even weekend. Make Friday a real solid card. An honest mistake this year. No problem. But I would learn from it moving forward. The Va. Derby is points towards the Kent. Derby. Enough said.

    3. Inclement weather had horses not ready to run?

    Nonsense. Guess he had to say something . Like it didn't snow 3 feet at Bowie back in the day. Heck, the Florida Air plane hit the bridge on Jan,. 13th in DC. leaving National( Reagan) airport. We ran a full card that day. My wife was very pregnant with our first child. Never forget it.

    4. . A steady shift towards turf racing ? Well Jerry ( John) Robb will get mad at me if he sees this, and we are good friends. I will be talking with him soon as well as others. Never met Jamie Ness and look forward to it. I have been talking to many trainers and the racing office the last few weeks. Really trying to do my part to bridge the gap in Md. racing. It's deep right now but it is not hard to fix. Need to convince the horsemen, not the racing office. Already spoke with them.

    Here's the deal in simple terms:
    The races are not filling with offering 11 or 12 races a day. So... They have to put up extras. The racing Sec. job is to get as full a group of fields as possible. That is her job. She's paid by management. Turf races always draw a ton of horses. Meanwhile she has trainers coming to her saying can she please write a 5 1/2 F. race 10K INSTEAD OF 6, 6 1/2, 7, OR A MILE. Why? The trainers answer is the horse can't go 6F. Um,... bullshi* ! Run it for the right number and it will go 6F. And if it is winded, Charlestown goes 4 1/2 and leave the horse there. But if she is nice and tries for that trainer, well, then 5 1/2 is too short for 3 other trainers.

    Trainers don't want to try and support the sec. office because in the summer, that same race going 6 or 7 might get 7 or 8 horses in it but the racing Sec. decides to use sub 9, the extra race which is a turf race for 10k and it gets 14 in it. So the sprinters are screwed because management puts the heat onto use the big field to help the handle and the sprint trainers get pissed and run out of town and then are not ready for the race when it comes back in 11 days. See the problem??

    IT'S A TWO WAY STREET ! BOTH HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, respect that, and work together. PERIOD !

    Any other result will spell disaster for Md. Racing.


    It is not incumbent to acquire turf horses. They can only run in Md. from very late April until October and not at Timonium in August. Four months, maybe 5. That's it. Laurel is in a 100 year flood plain. That turf course cannot be run on when it is wet AND, it is slow to dry because of the water table. Anyone that wants to challenge the flood plain issue is hoping you don't really know. Unfortunately, I do. Lived here since I was 18.

    Bottom line: I am doing what I can to bring the horsemen and management together to have this discussion. John Robb does know this. He's been there since I was 18 and before then. Think they just need to cool off and have a mediator that knows both sides of it and can't be Bullshi**ed. Well that's me. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail. The racing office will have to dance first because we are still in winter. But it won't be too long before management will have to concede some of those 12 horse fields to accommodate the horses that support the off season racing. Work together or fight each other? Which will occur ? I'm going to try. We'll see.

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    • batt33
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 12-23-16
      • 6170

      #11552
      As always STR I enjoy reading your takes! and wanted to hear the"other side" sorta speak..Like you said hopefully cooler heads prevail. The Industry cannot afford to lose Maryland racing....
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      • str
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 01-12-09
        • 11924

        #11553
        Originally posted by batt33
        As always STR I enjoy reading your takes! and wanted to hear the"other side" sorta speak..Like you said hopefully cooler heads prevail. The Industry cannot afford to lose Maryland racing....
        You know Batt, I think I need to expound a bit more. I reread my statement on Md. racing and I want to make sure people know that I do NOT feel as though I have all the answers. Heck, probably don't have many at all. My frustrati0on runs very deep though.

        Other than meeting my buddies, or an acquaintance at the track, I have had virtually no contact with the place since I left. Yes, I have a ton of old friends still there and it is always great to see them. But I am really stunned at what I am seeing and experiencing there. Friends and co workers are still there. More than a few that worked with me that are now trainers, starters, owners, agents , all sorts of stuff. What I am when I think about it is disappointed. Almost somewhat embarrassed. Maybe it is because I was so young when I started training. I don't know. It's just that I thought that from what I saw, and how things were handled, I assumed that when MY age group was older and basically ran the place, it would only be better. Not that it wasn't good, but that as all of us grew, we would all improve and make the entire thing be even more . So I am gone and now start to come back around and what I see in my heart is, me, and others that were about my age, are now old but we , IMO, have let the racetrack down in that, we have simply become the old school representitives.
        Instead of the younger generation seeing how things were from their viewpoint and building to improve the track for everyone, all it seems we are are now the old people doing what the older people did when we were young. We are NOT making a difference IMO.

        Now a big YES, to the question of "has the MTHA and those that have served or do serve on that board, many of which are friends or at least certainly acquaintances, improved the overall status of the backside and the product"? YES. They really have. There are so many positive things that have been implemented. I would call them out if that was not the case. It is sooo much better. But, there is a generation of workers who are somewhat forgotten, and while those that are old enough to remember them do care, and try with what they have, there are others in positions that are paid positions and IMHO, don't give a rats ass about those that either can no longer work at the pace necessary to keep steady work or have had to leave the backside. For those, back when the retirement program was not around or in it's infancy , as 75 and 80 yr. old's today, are left out on their own with little chance to make things work and live much of a life at all.

        I have a 6 page proposal I have drafted that I will eventually share I guess, to help those in need as well as prevent the next generation of workers to make the same financial mistakes through education that would actually pay them to learn finance. Yep, pay them to graduate. It would be pass, fail. Fail, nothing. Pass. 300 hundred bucks in cash. And, the knowledge moving forward to be able to plan for retirement. Seven steps that people choose to take that if they did not, they would find themselves in a MUCH better financial position as they aged. Education. The true key to happiness.
        I will post all this stuff in due time but not quite yet. I WILL GIVE Md. Racing by best shot first. Those wonderful people I worked both beside and against for 29 years deserve the dignity of at least effort from their fellow workers that might be able to help them. Just as they would have and did help everyone that needed it when they could do so.

        By and large the MTHA and those that work there are trying. But there are some that are as worthless as a 3rd stirrup and do as little as possible to collect the paycheck they receive. They are a disgrace in my opinion and honestly, they make me want to puke.

        Nothing I respect more than someone who helps the next one in line but it frosts my butt when I see a jackass pull up in a new Tesla while driving past those that spent a lifetime making trainers and riders leaders in their fields without even a wave .
        I would not have won a single race if it wasn't for the entire team. Guess some of those have forgotten that or never understood it at all.
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        • batt33
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 12-23-16
          • 6170

          #11554
          STR... the love and compassion you have for ...hmmm how do I convey this... the "industry " what we grew up with ...know and love.. seems like it has taken a backseat to some "individuals" yeah "stronach group" looking at you also..... so flipping frustrating that California.... Maryland horse racing has declined and the powers that be don't give a flying ..F.... good grief do they realize how many people they effect?? ugh
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          • str
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 01-12-09
            • 11924

            #11555
            Originally posted by batt33
            STR... the love and compassion you have for ...hmmm how do I convey this... the "industry " what we grew up with ...know and love.. seems like it has taken a backseat to some "individuals" yeah "stronach group" looking at you also..... so flipping frustrating that California.... Maryland horse racing has declined and the powers that be don't give a flying ..F.... good grief do they realize how many people they effect?? ugh
            OK Batt. I have a meeting tomorrow morning with the boss, that is, you don't get any higher, at Laurel to discuss two things. A way to get horsemen and ,management to work together instead of against each other for the betterment of both parties and the heroes fund I am trying to get support for which helps those lifelong backstretch workers who can no longer work, with financial education, understanding, and monetary support when needed. I think I have a winner with what I have come up with that will not only help the Md. people but with the track being a copycat system, help any jurisdiction that wants to implement it. And why not? All it takes is effort. The same effort that all those old employees put in to the game everyday, including, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, you name it. I know Batt gets it because he lived it. But for those of you that did not, the comradery and unspoken bond between fellow workers. Hopefully, it resonates with management.
            I'll keep you posted.
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            • JBEX
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 01-02-12
              • 24179

              #11556
              hey str

              realize you're busy and no problem if you can't but if you have a chance could you take a look at replay of turfway park R3 .. #9 dinglewood looks like he failed to switch leads for a while and drifted towards the rail .. responded nicely and came again when he finally did and missed by a little over a length .. might be a good follow

              saw 3 army mules but i think the one going at oaklawn R10 is a little interesting at a price ..#7 razorback army (20-1) out [17-1] same with the other two at 9-1 and 25-1


              best of luck and hope things go well with your meeting tomorrow
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              • batt33
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 12-23-16
                • 6170

                #11557
                Originally posted by str

                OK Batt. I have a meeting tomorrow morning with the boss, that is, you don't get any higher, at Laurel to discuss two things. A way to get howell! Whatrsemen and ,management to work together instead of against each other for the betterment of both parties and the heroes fund I am trying to get support for which helps those lifelong backstretch workers who can no longer work, with financial education, understanding, and monetary support when needed. I think I have a winner with what I have come up with that will not only help the Md. people but with the track being a copycat system, help any jurisdiction that wants to implement it. And why not? All it takes is effort. The same effort that all those old employees put in to the game everyday, including, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, you name it. I know Batt gets it because he lived it. But for those of you that did not, the comradery and unspoken bond between fellow workers. Hopefully, it resonates with management.
                I'll keep you posted.
                Had a "divert to Reno for a reset" Hope the meeting went well! What blows my mind is in California is that Illegal aliens get more benefits with no questions asked than people who want to work for a living and need a "hand up" not a" hand out" the "backside " of the industry needs help and respect for the care and dedication they give...
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                • JBEX
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 01-02-12
                  • 24179

                  #11558
                  Originally posted by JBEX
                  soldier n diplomat (army mule) is a scheduled to run on sunday in the rebel stakes at oaklawn .. this race is the 2nd leg in their derby prep series .. it's R11 and he's #10 (10-1 ml) .. post time is 6:23
                  Originally posted by JBEX

                  his race was over right out of the gate..my feeling is he will be off the derby trail (even with the legit excuse) and won't head to a final prep..love to see him run in the listed stakes for 3yo at 7f on opening day at keeneland .. think that'd be a perfect spot and he might benefit for a race like that off the conditioning he got yesterday
                  will be running Thursday oaklawn R8 in the 1 mile listed hot spring stakes #7 soldier n diplomat (8-1) .. even though they didn't go for a 7f race I think stepping down in class and cutting back a half furlong makes a lot of sense relative to what I said above .. I like him here and probably will offer some value

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                  • str
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 01-12-09
                    • 11924

                    #11559
                    Originally posted by JBEX



                    will be running Thursday oaklawn R8 in the 1 mile listed hot spring stakes #7 soldier n diplomat (8-1) .. even though they didn't go for a 7f race I think stepping down in class and cutting back a half furlong makes a lot of sense relative to what I said above .. I like him here and probably will offer some value
                    Sorry I have been MIA lately. A lot of things going on. This sounds like a nice spot ! The Pat Day mile popped into my mind right away as well when you mentioned it before but that race seems to come up so darn tough every year. They run real fast fractions and while it is supposed to be not crazy tough, it seems like it usually is. Without looking at the race, 8-1 is attractive IMO . Real good spot for possible value.

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                    • str
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 01-12-09
                      • 11924

                      #11560
                      Originally posted by str

                      OK Batt. I have a meeting tomorrow morning with the boss, that is, you don't get any higher, at Laurel to discuss two things. A way to get horsemen and ,management to work together instead of against each other for the betterment of both parties and the heroes fund I am trying to get support for which helps those lifelong backstretch workers who can no longer work, with financial education, understanding, and monetary support when needed. I think I have a winner with what I have come up with that will not only help the Md. people but with the track being a copycat system, help any jurisdiction that wants to implement it. And why not? All it takes is effort. The same effort that all those old employees put in to the game everyday, including, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, you name it. I know Batt gets it because he lived it. But for those of you that did not, the comradery and unspoken bond between fellow workers. Hopefully, it resonates with management.
                      I'll keep you posted.
                      As for my meeting on Sunday, my thoughts are just not being well received right now. The board is overwhelmed with problems with horses, horsemen, and about everything. I feel sorry for them but some of this IMO is from their own doings. Not blame, just what I see from the other side of the fence. I mean, everyone does care. No doubt. But there are a lot of real problems in Md. right now and as long as horsemen and management are going to not work as one, AND horsemen and other horsemen bickering and fighting, that will continue. Unfortunate as it is, that leaves those " Heroes" that I am trying to fight for, on a back burner with no help coming. But, anyone that knows me knows I don't take no for an answer when it comes to what I know is right. Hell, it's why I left the track.
                      So... The work will continue until such I time that people can stop their petty arguing enough to realize that a 10-15 year group of people that worked their asses off are in need of the same help that they provided between all of us all those years ago. Those in charge have NOT forgotten that. They are just IMO preoccupied with what they perceive to be what's right. But as we all know, nobody is ALWAYS right. They have work to do, so do it. I have more work to do now as well, and I will do what I can to right the wrong.

                      Must say and it won't be popular that their are trainers and breeders who get their egos stroked that seem to crave it. From someone that knew them 30-40 years ago, well before they HAD an ego, it is almost comical to see. That is almost comical, as the reality is, it is those egos that are blinding them from what they once stood for. You know. Before money and before fame or recognition. Again, awesome people and I love them. But if they could see through my lens what I see, they would be surprised at themselves.
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                      • JBEX
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 01-02-12
                        • 24179

                        #11561
                        Originally posted by str

                        Sorry I have been MIA lately. A lot of things going on. This sounds like a nice spot ! The Pat Day mile popped into my mind right away as well when you mentioned it before but that race seems to come up so darn tough every year. They run real fast fractions and while it is supposed to be not crazy tough, it seems like it usually is. Without looking at the race, 8-1 is attractive IMO . Real good spot for possible value.
                        figured you were probably busy and no problem .. partly said the pat day mile because of his huge win at churchill last year going that distance .. I agree this would be a much tougher assignment vs 3 year olds , probable stronger pace and big field..I think if he does run in that and wins he's starting to establish real sire credentials and sure the owner (same as army mule when he raced) would really love to see him be a stallion .. hopefully puts forth a good effort tomorrow




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                        • batt33
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 12-23-16
                          • 6170

                          #11562
                          Originally posted by str

                          As for my meeting on Sunday, my thoughts are just not being well received right now. The board is overwhelmed with problems with horses, horsemen, and about everything. I feel sorry for them but some of this IMO is from their own doings. Not blame, just what I see from the other side of the fence. I mean, everyone does care. No doubt. But there are a lot of real problems in Md. right now and as long as horsemen and management are going to not work as one, AND horsemen and other horsemen bickering and fighting, that will continue. Unfortunate as it is, that leaves those " Heroes" that I am trying to fight for, on a back burner with no help coming. But, anyone that knows me knows I don't take no for an answer when it comes to what I know is right. Hell, it's why I left the track.
                          So... The work will continue until such I time that people can stop their petty arguing enough to realize that a 10-15 year group of people that worked their asses off are in need of the same help that they provided between all of us all those years ago. Those in charge have NOT forgotten that. They are just IMO preoccupied with what they perceive to be what's right. But as we all know, nobody is ALWAYS right. They have work to do, so do it. I have more work to do now as well, and I will do what I can to right the wrong.

                          Must say and it won't be popular that their are trainers and breeders who get their egos stroked that seem to crave it. From someone that knew them 30-40 years ago, well before they HAD an ego, it is almost comical to see. That is almost comical, as the reality is, it is those egos that are blinding them from what they once stood for. You know. Before money and before fame or recognition. Again, awesome people and I love them. But if they could see through my lens what I see, they would be surprised at themselves.
                          It has to be so so frustrating STR.. Keep fighting for the "heros " on the backstretch... They know they have someone who cares speaking up for them. Batt,
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                          • JBEX
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 01-02-12
                            • 24179

                            #11563
                            3 other army mule's going at oaklawn tomorrow in addition to soldier n diplomat in R8

                            R1 .. 7 saving heart (5-2)
                            R3 .. 7 private debbie (20-1)
                            R7 .. 9 army marauder (4-1)
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                            • batt33
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 12-23-16
                              • 6170

                              #11564
                              Originally posted by JBEX
                              3 other army mule's going at oaklawn tomorrow in addition to soldier n diplomat in R8

                              R1 .. 7 saving heart (5-2)
                              R3 .. 7 private debbie (20-1)
                              R7 .. 9 army marauder (4-1)
                              Thanks! will try and take a look!
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                              • JBEX
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 01-02-12
                                • 24179

                                #11565
                                Originally posted by batt33
                                Thanks! will try and take a look!
                                no problem .. might be a first 4 on one card
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                                • str
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 01-12-09
                                  • 11924

                                  #11566
                                  If you blindly bet on each AM today, you probably make money.
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                                  • JBEX
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 01-02-12
                                    • 24179

                                    #11567
                                    copy and pasted from my thread minus the other picks I made



                                    oaklawn 1 (1:30)
                                    7 saving heart (5-2) army mule
                                    out [1-1]



                                    oaklawn 3 (2:34)
                                    7 private debbie (20-1) army mule
                                    out [13-1]
                                    extremely rank early part of the race




                                    oaklawn 7 (4:45)
                                    9 army's marauder (4-1) army mule
                                    3rd/7 [9-2]

                                    oaklawn 8 .. feature stakes
                                    7 soldier n diplomat (8-1) army mule
                                    2nd/4 [9-5]

                                    thought this and the previous race both of them didn't have the sharpest starts .. essential in the 4 horse field (R8) with baffert on the rail with a speed horse @ 2-5..broke a little tardy in his last race also so possibly a bit of an issue for him .. think this race is an aberration .. interesting to see what the next move will be
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                                    • batt33
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 12-23-16
                                      • 6170

                                      #11568
                                      Originally posted by JBEX
                                      copy and pasted from my thread minus the other picks I made



                                      oaklawn 1 (1:30)
                                      7 saving heart (5-2) army mule
                                      out [1-1]



                                      oaklawn 3 (2:34)
                                      7 private debbie (20-1) army mule
                                      out [13-1]
                                      extremely rank early part of the race




                                      oaklawn 7 (4:45)
                                      9 army's marauder (4-1) army mule
                                      3rd/7 [9-2]

                                      oaklawn 8 .. feature stakes
                                      7 soldier n diplomat (8-1) army mule
                                      2nd/4 [9-5]

                                      thought this and the previous race both of them didn't have the sharpest starts .. essential in the 4 horse field (R8) with baffert on the rail with a speed horse @ 2-5..broke a little tardy in his last race also so possibly a bit of an issue for him .. think this race is an aberration .. interesting to see what the next move will be
                                      I thought saving heart was in the right spot along the backstretch but just didn't have it turning for home


                                      the private Debbie race.... as STR has said plenty of times ... she wasted alot of energy early...

                                      Missed the last two
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                                      • JBEX
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 01-02-12
                                        • 24179

                                        #11569
                                        Originally posted by batt33

                                        I thought saving heart was in the right spot along the backstretch but just didn't have it turning for home


                                        the private Debbie race.... as STR has said plenty of times ... she wasted alot of energy early...

                                        Missed the last two
                                        two slight things I noticed with saving heart and by no means was he going to win this race ..

                                        saw the jock use the whip on him at least twice (while I could see the close-up) in the first furlong

                                        looked like when the eventual winner shifted paths,came out a bit and passed SH on the inside it might have caused him to switch back to his left lead
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                                        • str
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 01-12-09
                                          • 11924

                                          #11570
                                          Originally posted by JBEX

                                          two slight things I noticed with saving heart and by no means was he going to win this race ..

                                          saw the jock use the whip on him at least twice (while I could see the close-up) in the first furlong

                                          looked like when the eventual winner shifted paths,came out a bit and passed SH on the inside it might have caused him to switch back to his left lead
                                          Can’t Win doing that. If the horse is thinking which it must have been, then it is not focused on running. It’s a fine line between focus and distraction. The focus of the horse has to be the mental discussion it haves with the rider.
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                                          • batt33
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 12-23-16
                                            • 6170

                                            #11571
                                            oaklawn race 10 9 horse in the gate at 3-1... goes off at 3/2... played the 9 of course.... computer stuff has to stop... even the announcers made the comment...

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                                            • JBEX
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 01-02-12
                                              • 24179

                                              #11572
                                              had to mention and a pick .. nice betting race

                                              gulfstream 11 (4:40)
                                              army mule stakes (listed) @ 7f
                                              3 scotland (9-2)

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                                              • batt33
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 12-23-16
                                                • 6170

                                                #11573
                                                Originally posted by JBEX
                                                had to mention and a pick .. nice betting race

                                                gulfstream 11 (4:40)
                                                army mule stakes (listed) @ 7f
                                                3 scotland (9-2)
                                                I was hoping for an "army mule" in the Army Mule!
                                                I like the 3 ,4,8,
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                                                • str
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 01-12-09
                                                  • 11924

                                                  #11574
                                                  Originally posted by batt33
                                                  oaklawn race 10 9 horse in the gate at 3-1... goes off at 3/2... played the 9 of course.... computer stuff has to stop... even the announcers made the comment...
                                                  In a game that is on life support at most tracks, management allowing this stuff to continue is them deciding on a long slow death or... make things fair and hope the result is not the same.
                                                  Nobody enjoys being ripped off and these late plunges in prices indicate to all bettors, that others have more of a chance than they do. The attitude of " even when we win, we lose", kills all feelings of enjoyment over time.

                                                  The tracks are in serious trouble. Greed will get you every time.
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