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  • str
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 01-12-09
    • 11924

    #11481
    Originally posted by Optional

    I like the thought but can see some objections coming back to you about funding the management of a fund and who chooses who qualifies and for how much.

    The beneficiaries contributing in some way to qualify might get past some of that potential push back.

    I hope you make it happen.
    It would be under the MTHA horseman's assn. A 501C3 chapter run by trainers, owners, etc. I was on that board 50 years ago.

    We all know each other. Every single day, rain, snow, hot cold, we all knew who was who. Now that they have hit their 70's and 80's, many need help. Not just money though. Education. I see guys starving and unable to do anything and they have equity within their homes but do not understand the process of how to get that equity out.
    It is indeed case by case, but remember, most long time race trackers were there before they were 18 years old. Real world education is lacking when it comes to finances and do's and don'ts with money. That part should be fairly easy.
    As for the funding, I have a plan that will be self sufficient and any "loans" can and will b e paid back within 1 month. Risk free. Or donate.
    But people cannot lose the investment. 100% guaranteed.
    Opti., this thing will work and it should be nationwide once everyone sees just how honest, upfront, safe and reliable it is.

    I am very hopeful. I know every board member. Some actually worked with me. Most all worked in the next barns over. This is can't miss but people need to care. I do. Many do. Help the next one in line, always stay humble and kind. !

    Once it works, I can explain it to your brother and he can do it in Australia. There are workers there in the same boat. I can't believe this doesn't already exist.

    Thanks Opti !
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    • Optional
      Administrator
      • 06-10-10
      • 63543

      #11482
      It sounds like you have really thought it all out.

      Rooting for your success. It will feel very nice to give back to the sport in a meaningful way like this.
      .
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      • str
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 01-12-09
        • 11924

        #11483
        Originally posted by Optional
        It sounds like you have really thought it all out.

        Rooting for your success. It will feel very nice to give back to the sport in a meaningful way like this.
        Thanks Opti!
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        • str
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 01-12-09
          • 11924

          #11484
          Super Bowl week:

          A lot of players that are considering all in, how much to bet, or whatever.

          Gambling can become so complex and exhausting to try and play into at times. We've all been there.

          So take it from an 71 yr. old guy who started gambling when he was about 10 years old and worked for 29 years in the gambling industry. Heck, it was my career until I walked away from it.


          This is pretty simple:

          Not with horses, but in sports, the idea is to win 6 out of 10.

          Throwing darts can typically lead you to 5 out of 10.

          Think about that. Now think about it some more.


          So occasionally throw darts if you must, enjoy the games on TV or do what you do, but all you really need is to do is NEVER bet more than you can afford, work to find that 1 out of every 10 on average that you have a solid opinion on, and concentrate on that opinion play within those 10 plays.

          Sharpen you opinion play over time, and see if you can win 6 out of 10 of those opinions on average. This will slowly eliminate dart throwing because the urge to win and beat the game will override the urge to bet or have action on the game.

          If you can't, that's ok, more cannot than can. But if you can, you will find that it becomes NOT about the money, but the confidence within you. It will make you better in everything you do. Why? Because you have confidence. You walk a little taller, smile a little brighter, and things seem to slow down for you. You'll see. All you have to do is want it, and work for it. But it's work you enjoy so is that really work?

          Good Luck everybody!

          Happy Super Bowl.
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          • batt33
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 12-23-16
            • 6170

            #11485
            Originally posted by str
            I formally wrote a letter to the MTHA, Md’s th bred horseman’s assn. in hopes of starting a retirement fund for those career backstretch workers who are retired or unable to continue to work.
            The fund in theory would be funded by guaranteed loans that would be available to be called back at any time.
            No need to go through it all now but hopefully it would be available to any fan that wanted to participate. It would include an interview/ Q and A with current and former trainers, jocks and workers. It would also include access to the paddock before the first race, winner’s circle, the track itself, the starting gate, press box, view from the announcer booth, etc.
            All access. This would be free. With the hope that fans would either donate, or, pledge any amount of money for whatever length of time they choose to go to a fund that is fully guaranteed by the US govt.
            Backstretch visits, barn area visits, jocks room, you name it.
            This fully guaranteed loan would help retired race track heroes. Those grooms, walkers, exercise riders, etc. that dedicated their lives to the game.

            I realize people might look at this like a novelty or nonsense but… I’m old enough to remember the first Super Bowl and all the talk was “. It was nonsense and would never be a real thing.

            What fan of a sport wouldn’t want to get a picture taken in the Laurel winners circle? The same circle where Secretariat, and many of the greatest horses to ever race stood?
            Ever walked out on a field where your team plays baseball, football, or any sport ? I have and the kid in you comes out instantly. Line up to kick a field goal in a stadium. Stand in the same batters box as you hero did? I have. It’s incredible!

            I am working to get this from a thought to reality and I’m close. And every dollar it can generate will go to those that made the game go but now find themselves in need of help.
            More as this evolves but I’ll die trying. Just like they did when they worked there.

            Thanks for reading.
            I hope this works STR! Wishing you the best of luck !
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            • JBEX
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 01-02-12
              • 24179

              #11486
              the first leg of oaklawn's KY derby prep series friday has an army mule going in in it ..southwest stakes R11 #13 soldier n diplomat (12-1 @ 5:40),obviously the post draw is not good .. in the preceding race ,a listed stakes , #6 wisconsin gal ( 30-1) is also an army mule ..in over her head again str
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              • JBEX
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 01-02-12
                • 24179

                #11487
                Originally posted by JBEX
                the first leg of oaklawn's KY derby prep series friday has an army mule going in in it ..southwest stakes R11 #13 soldier n diplomat (12-1 @ 5:40),obviously the post draw is not good .. in the preceding race ,a listed stakes , #6 wisconsin gal ( 30-1) is also an army mule ..in over her head again str
                it's actually the 2nd leg .. the smarty jones stakes (listed) in early january is the first then this race is followed by the rebel stakes (grade 2) and the arkansas derby (grade 1) is the finale .. each race increases in rating from the 1st to the 4th leg (listed,g3,g2,g1)

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                • str
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 01-12-09
                  • 11924

                  #11488
                  Originally posted by batt33

                  I hope this works STR! Wishing you the best of luck !
                  I'll keep you posted .

                  I'm running the idea to some old friends with a lot of clout. Md. and NJ. so far. If they show signs of interest, I will take it to NY.

                  It will absolutely work. Just a matter of getting the right people to endorse it.

                  Thanks Batt !
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                  • str
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 01-12-09
                    • 11924

                    #11489
                    Originally posted by JBEX
                    the first leg of oaklawn's KY derby prep series friday has an army mule going in in it ..southwest stakes R11 #13 soldier n diplomat (12-1 @ 5:40),obviously the post draw is not good .. in the preceding race ,a listed stakes , #6 wisconsin gal ( 30-1) is also an army mule ..in over her head again str
                    Thanks JBEX. I'll check it out.

                    Poor Wisconsin Girl.
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                    • JBEX
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 01-02-12
                      • 24179

                      #11490
                      Originally posted by str

                      Thanks JBEX. I'll check it out.

                      Poor Wisconsin Girl.
                      no problem str .. 2 were scratched so his post situation not as bad and one of those was a baffert ml favorite which is also good .. he still has another #3 buetane who is now the second choice
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                      • batt33
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 12-23-16
                        • 6170

                        #11491
                        Originally posted by str

                        I'll keep you posted .

                        I'm running the idea to some old friends with a lot of clout. Md. and NJ. so far. If they show signs of interest, I will take it to NY.

                        It will absolutely work. Just a matter of getting the right people to endorse it.

                        Thanks Batt !
                        Sounds like it's going to gain some steam!!
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                        • batt33
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 12-23-16
                          • 6170

                          #11492
                          Originally posted by JBEX
                          the first leg of oaklawn's KY derby prep series friday has an army mule going in in it ..southwest stakes R11 #13 soldier n diplomat (12-1 @ 5:40),obviously the post draw is not good .. in the preceding race ,a listed stakes , #6 wisconsin gal ( 30-1) is also an army mule ..in over her head again str
                          Will be watching! I have the #2 horse in the southwest in my KD future bets
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                          • JBEX
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 01-02-12
                            • 24179

                            #11493
                            considering where he broke from ,wide both turns and off a 2+ month layoff I like that effort.. I'm going to guess,because of the quick return,being hard used in this race and possibility of meeting the convincing winner again it might not be the next leg of this series (rebel stakes) .. think the louisiana derby in 6 weeks might be a good fit including the fact it's a 1/16th further than all the other derby preps .. even with a 2nd place finish there he'd probably qualify with enough points and be a fresh horse for the ky derby with only 2 preps in him .. hopefully he comes out of this race in good shape and can move forward




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                            • batt33
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 12-23-16
                              • 6170

                              #11494
                              Originally posted by JBEX
                              considering where he broke from ,wide both turns and off a 2+ month layoff I like that effort.. I'm going to guess,because of the quick return,being hard used in this race and possibility of meeting the convincing winner again it might not be the next leg ofrrw this series (rebel stakes) .. think the louisiana derby in 6 weeks might be a good fit including the fact it's a 1/16th further than all the other derby preps .. even with a 2nd place finish there he'd probably qualify with enough points and be a fresh horse for the ky derby with only 2 preps in him .. hopefully he comes out of this race in good shape and can move forward



                              He ran a heck of a race! Have his daddy in the future bets! kicking myself in the actual race betting missed Torres jumping off the 2 and on the winner...
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                              • JBEX
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 01-02-12
                                • 24179

                                #11495
                                Originally posted by batt33

                                He ran a heck of a race! Have his daddy in the future bets! kicking myself in the actual race betting missed Torres jumping off the 2 and on the winner...
                                it is interesting he chose to ride the winner over d' code considering how dominant the latter was in his debut .. just to clarify for everyone he did ride both in their prior races ..silent tactic was probably compromised by the slow pace in his last race but still wouldn't justify riding him over the other imo

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                                • JBEX
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 01-02-12
                                  • 24179

                                  #11496
                                  Originally posted by batt33

                                  He ran a heck of a race! Have his daddy in the future bets! kicking myself in the actual race betting missed Torres jumping off the 2 and on the winner...
                                  I do think he might be distance limited off his pedigree .. doesn't get the stamina influence on the bottom I think an army mule might need to have a shot at the derby distance

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                                  • str
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 01-12-09
                                    • 11924

                                    #11497
                                    Originally posted by batt33

                                    I hope this works STR! Wishing you the best of luck !
                                    Honestly, all any head of any horseman's assn., etc. really has to do is want it to succeed. Don't get me wrong, there will be growing pains as well as missteps. But, it WILL work and the help and relief of just knowing something is there for them when and if needed, will give those old, retired workers a reason to keep going.
                                    As of now, the silence is deafening. Let them feel as though they have a failsafe? What that would do for a person in a bad position is unable to be measured. It's piece of mind.

                                    You stand outside in the cold without a coat on but you have one in the car whenever you need it. No big deal right.
                                    Now stand outside in that same cold and know that you do NOT have a coat or a car.

                                    See the difference?

                                    All we really need to do is implement this. The comfort from the cold will come from those in need knowing it exists. They are a proud group of people. Many won't take it or just the minimum. But knowing it's there if needed will go along way. Just like the coat in the car.

                                    Thanks BATT !
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                                    • str
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 01-12-09
                                      • 11924

                                      #11498
                                      Originally posted by JBEX
                                      the first leg of oaklawn's KY derby prep series friday has an army mule going in in it ..southwest stakes R11 #13 soldier n diplomat (12-1 @ 5:40),obviously the post draw is not good .. in the preceding race ,a listed stakes , #6 wisconsin gal ( 30-1) is also an army mule ..in over her head again str
                                      That outside post ended up being just fine yesterday. The outside dominated the day it looks like from the charts. An Army Mule on the Derby trail is so cool. Thanks for the heads up JBEX !

                                      Wisconsin Gal: I would have loved to be able to train a horse like her. Had my share but I really like her. She has the heart of a lion. She would flourish in the proper setting.
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                                      • str
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 01-12-09
                                        • 11924

                                        #11499
                                        Originally posted by batt33

                                        Will be watching! I have the #2 horse in the southwest in my KD future bets
                                        That was a really good effort IMO. Only horse all day that had that type of trip and made it to the 1/8th pole. Look for a big rebound effort next out .
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                                        • JBEX
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 01-02-12
                                          • 24179

                                          #11500
                                          Originally posted by str

                                          That outside post ended up being just fine yesterday. The outside dominated the day it looks like from the charts. An Army Mule on the Derby trail is so cool. Thanks for the heads up JBEX !

                                          Wisconsin Gal: I would have loved to be able to train a horse like her. Had my share but I really like her. She has the heart of a lion. She would flourish in the proper setting.
                                          good point about the outside posts doing well and rethinking whether that really was a hard effort for SnD just by the visuals ..obviously only the trainer will know how he came out of it .. the winner couldn't have done it easier and as you saw the jock was standing up on the horse for I guess about the last 50 yards ..he's bred top and bottom to go far so the derby distance shouldn't be a problem if he makes it .. that being said also looking forward to seeing how SnD fares wherever they decide to run him .. derby type horse or not think he's got a promising future ahead of him
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                                          • JBEX
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 01-02-12
                                            • 24179

                                            #11501
                                            WG puts in a nice effort off a long layoff in a reasonable spot in her previous race .. would've been the perfect opportunity to put her where she belongs next out
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                                            • batt33
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 12-23-16
                                              • 6170

                                              #11502
                                              Originally posted by str

                                              Honestly, all any head of any horseman's assn., etc. really has to do is want it to succeed. Don't get me wrong, there will be growing pains as well as missteps. But, it WILL work and the help and relief of just knowing something is there for them when and if needed, will give those old, retired workers a reason to keep going.
                                              As of now, the silence is deafening. Let them feel as though they have a failsafe? What that would do for a person in a bad position is unable to be measured. It's piece of mind.

                                              You stand outside in the cold without a coat on but you have one in the car whenever you need it. No big deal right.
                                              Now stand outside in that same cold and know that you do NOT have a coat or a car.

                                              See the difference?

                                              All we really need to do is implement this. The comfort from the cold will come from those in need knowing it exists. They are a proud group of people. Many won't take it or just the minimum. But knowing it's there if needed will go along way. Just like the coat in the car.

                                              Thanks BATT !
                                              "You stand outside in the cold without a coat on but you have one in the car whenever you need it. No big deal right.
                                              Now stand outside in that same cold and know that you do NOT have a coat or a car.

                                              See the difference?"

                                              This is so so true..... great thought!
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                                              • batt33
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 12-23-16
                                                • 6170

                                                #11503
                                                STR ... just saw that the "king" of Maryland racing passed away.... what a great person! I can only imagine the stories you have had with him... dealing with my Dad and in/out of the hospital....

                                                Just makes me think to enjoy the times and "memeories"
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                                                • str
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 01-12-09
                                                  • 11924

                                                  #11504
                                                  Originally posted by batt33
                                                  STR ... just saw that the "king" of Maryland racing passed away.... what a great person! I can only imagine the stories you have had with him... dealing with my Dad and in/out of the hospital....

                                                  Just makes me think to enjoy the times and "memeories"
                                                  Yeah. Darn shame. I will write about King in the coming days.

                                                  As for your dealings:

                                                  You are exactly on point Batt !!
                                                  Just ride the cycle as long as it runs and no matter how hard any one day is, feel blessed that there is a tomorrow with your folks. It won't last forever and the only thing that will really bug you after the fact is that you did not let the time with them " slow down" a little bit.

                                                  At this point, try not to fix everything just right, ( like I did) , or worry if it is not that way. It's all about them, their comfort, and their happiness, to whatever degree you can provide. Things are far from perfect with them in all probability. And that is frustrating for them. If they see you are frustrated as well, that becomes more of a burden because they only know one way to look at you, which is as their son, who THEY need to make sure is also ok.
                                                  The narrative has shifted. It took me too long to recognize that. I wish I had of sooner than I did.
                                                  That is the best advice I can give you. Think things through as they come so as to have as few regrets as possible when it all concludes.

                                                  And cherish everyday of it. You'll have the rest of your life to rethink it and you will feel much better for knowing you gave it all you had with their comfort and happiness in mind first. You will have done your job. One that they prepared you for all your life.

                                                  All the best Batt.
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                                                  • batt33
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 12-23-16
                                                    • 6170

                                                    #11505
                                                    Thanks STR! You are spot on in so many ways... I appreciate you sharing... makes me take a deep breath....
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                                                    • str
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 01-12-09
                                                      • 11924

                                                      #11506
                                                      I could ramble on about King T. Leatherbury but I'm not going to. King wouldn't have wanted that. He got to the point. He was really funny. Laughed at himself when he messed up. A really good guy. So I'll tell a story or two. He would have liked that.

                                                      I spent probably 5-10 years trying to " figure him out" in my first years training. I looked to figure out all the trainers. Especially the claiming trainers because that is what I did. Most were easy. Some were tricky. But I would eventually understood through watching how they train, and how they place horses, how their horses looked from race to race, warmed up, pulled up, etc. and how everything fit their particular circumstances. That is how I was taught.

                                                      There was only one that I could never pin down. That was King T. You see, trainers are all about repetition. They have a system and most try and stick with it. Some of them do this, or some of them do that. Not hard to analyze if you know what to look for. But there was one trainer who I never was able to totally figure out. That was King.
                                                      Decades after I walked away from the game, I went back to a once a year horseman's reunion. I saw all my old friends. While there, I sat down with King and talked with him. He was glad to see me, and I, him .
                                                      I had known him well along with his wife and twin sons before I left the game. He welcomed me like a long lost friend. I explained to him about how I analyzed all the trainers in Md. and how he was always, the only trainer I could never figure out. And he solved any questions about analysis out in one minute. He said that he never had any pattern. He just trained them and tried to win with them. He didn't wait because of a bad workout, or bad post, or tough setup. He just trained them, ran them, reevaluated there numbers, figures, whatever, and ran them back. That was it. His morning routine was ridiculous. He was not there to witness it, but it was unbelievably shoddy. Everything about his barn seemed to be a joke. His grooms brought the wrong horse to the paddock to race at least once a year and typically more than that. No working on the legs . No braiding the manes. No flashy looks. Just lead em over and watch them run. Reassess, and run them back.
                                                      King was a numbers guy. He used the sheets from the very beginning. Ragozin was one of his owners. So while most all trainers were analyzing their horse after each race, watching to see if they ate, their coat, how they trained, etc. King went solely on numbers and statistics. He was one of a kind. Trainers did not know what to make of him in the late 60's and into the 70's. And most, like me, never fully understood what he was doing. King never cheated. Absurd to think he did. I still get a kick out of who people think cheated and who did not back then. In Md. , I knew everything about every trainer that there was to know. Strengths and weaknesses. Again, how I was taught to a degree and the level I took it to when I was there.


                                                      King was so frustrating to run against. I think I went head and head with him for a training title 4-5 times over the years. I never beat him when head and head going into the last week . I was 2 wins in front going into the last day of a Timonium meet. Had just one horse in. He had six or seven. Mine was in like the 3rd race? and he was in that race as well. He won the 1st race, then beat me in the 3rd race which tied us. I didn't have to wait long as he won the 4th and that was that. So I left, and he won a couple more after that. Pretty sure he won 5 that day. Hahaha.
                                                      Once winter at LAUREL , he beat me out but I won the first percentage award for best win % of the meet. He got a silver cup and I got a check for 1,000.00. We were in the winners circle together with Frank DeFrancis presenting the awards and when King heard that he got a cup and I got 1,000.00 check, we started hollering "Well, Go to Hell" give him the damn cup and give me the check! Everyone was laughing. Even king was a little, but he kind of meant it.

                                                      That was King. Too me, one of the greatest trainers I ever saw. Not because of any horsemanship but because he was decades ahead of everyone else in his thought process. What a fabulous guy he was. I was lucky to get to know him. Rest In Peace my friend.
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                                                      • batt33
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 12-23-16
                                                        • 6170

                                                        #11507
                                                        Originally posted by str
                                                        I could ramble on about King T. Leatherbury but I'm not going to. King wouldn't have wanted that. He got to the point. He was really funny. Laughed at himself when he messed up. A really good guy. So I'll tell a story or two. He would have liked that.

                                                        I spent probably 5-10 years trying to " figure him out" in my first years training. I looked to figure out all the trainers. Especially the claiming trainers because that is what I did. Most were easy. Some were tricky. But I would eventually understood through watching how they train, and how they place horses, how their horses looked from race to race, warmed up, pulled up, etc. and how everything fit their particular circumstances. That is how I was taught.

                                                        There was only one that I could never pin down. That was King T. You see, trainers are all about repetition. They have a system and most try and stick with it. Some of them do this, or some of them do that. Not hard to analyze if you know what to look for. But there was one trainer who I never was able to totally figure out. That was King.
                                                        Decades after I walked away from the game, I went back to a once a year horseman's reunion. I saw all my old friends. While there, I sat down with King and talked with him. He was glad to see me, and I, him .
                                                        I had known him well along with his wife and twin sons before I left the game. He welcomed me like a long lost friend. I explained to him about how I analyzed all the trainers in Md. and how he was always, the only trainer I could never figure out. And he solved any questions about analysis out in one minute. He said that he never had any pattern. He just trained them and tried to win with them. He didn't wait because of a bad workout, or bad post, or tough setup. He just trained them, ran them, reevaluated there numbers, figures, whatever, and ran them back. That was it. His morning routine was ridiculous. He was not there to witness it, but it was unbelievably shoddy. Everything about his barn seemed to be a joke. His grooms brought the wrong horse to the paddock to race at least once a year and typically more than that. No working on the legs . No braiding the manes. No flashy looks. Just lead em over and watch them run. Reassess, and run them back.
                                                        King was a numbers guy. He used the sheets from the very beginning. Ragozin was one of his owners. So while most all trainers were analyzing their horse after each race, watching to see if they ate, their coat, how they trained, etc. King went solely on numbers and statistics. He was one of a kind. Trainers did not know what to make of him in the late 60's and into the 70's. And most, like me, never fully understood what he was doing. King never cheated. Absurd to think he did. I still get a kick out of who people think cheated and who did not back then. In Md. , I knew everything about every trainer that there was to know. Strengths and weaknesses. Again, how I was taught to a degree and the level I took it to when I was there.


                                                        King was so frustrating to run against. I think I went head and head with him for a training title 4-5 times over the years. I never beat him when head and head going into the last week . I was 2 wins in front going into the last day of a Timonium meet. Had just one horse in. He had six or seven. Mine was in like the 3rd race? and he was in that race as well. He won the 1st race, then beat me in the 3rd race which tied us. I didn't have to wait long as he won the 4th and that was that. So I left, and he won a couple more after that. Pretty sure he won 5 that day. Hahaha.
                                                        Once winter at LAUREL , he beat me out but I won the first percentage award for best win % of the meet. He got a silver cup and I got a check for 1,000.00. We were in the winners circle together with Frank DeFrancis presenting the awards and when King heard that he got a cup and I got 1,000.00 check, we started hollering "Well, Go to Hell" give him the damn cup and give me the check! Everyone was laughing. Even king was a little, but he kind of meant it.

                                                        That was King. Too me, one of the greatest trainers I ever saw. Not because of any horsemanship but because he was decades ahead of everyone else in his thought process. What a fabulous guy he was. I was lucky to get to know him. Rest In Peace my friend.
                                                        What a great story! I enjoy you sharing stories from the "inside" Yes RIP KIng...... Batt
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                                                        • ProSportsEdge
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                                                          • 05-01-25
                                                          • 318

                                                          #11508
                                                          Originally posted by str

                                                          This is where I might be behind in the times. There is soooo much info out there today that did not exist 10 years ago that I do not want to tell you the wrong thing. To my knowledge DRF.com ( Daily Racing Form) is still the leader in info. But be aware that their is SO much for you to learn and so many variables involved that if you bet more than 2.00 dollars a race at this point , I would say you are crazy. Probably best served to watch as many races as possible and just start to get a feel for the game.
                                                          So, with that said, please do me 2 favors.
                                                          1st. READ THE CHARTS of the races you watch the next day and review what you think you saw.
                                                          2nd. Learn to watch replays of every race you witness. Both angles. Even if you do not know what you are watching yet, you will see things along the way and become a better handicapper for it.
                                                          Most handicappers are only as good as there routine. Make sure that yours is better than the guys you are playing against , namely all the other bettors out there.
                                                          Keep me posted.
                                                          yeah that makes sense honestly better to watch and learn first instead of donating money early i’ve started checking charts and replays and already seeing stuff i missed live appreciate the tips i’ll keep at it and update as i go
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                                                          • str
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 01-12-09
                                                            • 11924

                                                            #11509
                                                            I was talking with another poster and we discussed a former topic within this thread that I want to be sure everyone is well aware of. It is simply the " every other race pattern".
                                                            And it is as simple as the definition. Every now and then you will see a horses form where they literally run very well, every other race. Good effort, weak effort, good effort, weak effort. It's that simple.
                                                            Now it must be legit in that they are not placed in racers off solid efforts and into an unwinnable , over their head race. It has to be clear. But if it is, it is as close to getting tomorrows results today (a dream of mine when I was a kid, lol).

                                                            You do not see it that often but when you do, play on or against it. Ride the cycle. MUCH more often than not, you will be glad you did.

                                                            You can word search my thread (every other race) to read more about this.
                                                            GL.
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                                                            • str
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 01-12-09
                                                              • 11924

                                                              #11510
                                                              I went to Laurel yesterday. My third or fourth time in the last two months. I am not really sure what the problem actually is but there is a problem.
                                                              I honestly cannot believe some of the things I am seeing and hearing.
                                                              A public forum is not the best place to start talking about it so for now I will not. But, if the buck keeps getting passed around and nobody steps up and takes control of the situation, it will most likely end badly. I can’t believe what I am seeing and hearing.
                                                              The phrase Rudderless ship comes to mind.
                                                              I’ll keep everyone posted.
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                                                              • JBEX
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 01-02-12
                                                                • 24179

                                                                #11511
                                                                Originally posted by str
                                                                I went to Laurel yesterday. My third or fourth time in the last two months. I am not really sure what the problem actually is but there is a problem.
                                                                I honestly cannot believe some of the things I am seeing and hearing.
                                                                A public forum is not the best place to start talking about it so for now I will not. But, if the buck keeps getting passed around and nobody steps up and takes control of the situation, it will most likely end badly. I can’t believe what I am seeing and hearing.
                                                                The phrase Rudderless ship comes to mind.
                                                                I’ll keep everyone posted.
                                                                the plan is to upgrade it,run the preakness there and and have a shorter meet if I remember correctly ?
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                                                                • str
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 01-12-09
                                                                  • 11924

                                                                  #11512
                                                                  Originally posted by JBEX

                                                                  the plan is to upgrade it,run the preakness there and and have a shorter meet if I remember correctly ?
                                                                  A lot of things are up in the air currently. Any plans to train at Shamrock Farms are dead. It just wasn't conceivable. Looks like they need to seriously consider Laurel as home. But nothing for sure yet.
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                                                                  • batt33
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 12-23-16
                                                                    • 6170

                                                                    #11513
                                                                    Originally posted by str
                                                                    I went to Laurel yesterday. My third or fourth time in the last two months. I am not really sure what the problem actually is but there is a problem.
                                                                    I honestly cannot believe some of the things I am seeing and hearing.
                                                                    A public forum is not the best place to start talking about it so for now I will not. But, if the buck keeps getting passed around and nobody steps up and takes control of the situation, it will most likely end badly. I can’t believe what I am seeing and hearing.
                                                                    The phrase Rudderless ship comes to mind.
                                                                    I’ll keep everyone posted.
                                                                    Ugh STR, This has to be so frustrating.... just a sad state of affairs ...hopefully they find a"rudder"
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                                                                    • batt33
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 12-23-16
                                                                      • 6170

                                                                      #11514
                                                                      I have a first time starter racing in race 5 at Gulfstream on Friday "munny problems#7" 8-1 on the morning line. The "coach"was pretty excited to have him in the barn.
                                                                      Just around the time for his first breeze "the coach" passed away and Munny had some"bonebrusing" and hoof issues come up.

                                                                      He was given some time off and after his break he was sent to Michael J. Trombetta.

                                                                      He has been training lights out at gulfstream and the barn is very excited to see him run. It is interesting to see him debut in a mile grass race as there was a 6 furlong dirt race the following day. There are a couple of expensive purchases in the race, Trombetta is 1/16 with horses racing a distance of ground on the turf.

                                                                      We shall see! here is a couple of interesting things.

                                                                      Munny Problem Breeze Report



                                                                      Munny Problem had his final breeze this morning at Gulfstream Park ahead of Friday’s debut. He worked alongside older stablemate Uncle’s Gold (Uncle Mo), a winner of his last two starts with 80 Beyer Speed Figures. The pair were reportedly a good match and breezed well together, stopping the clock in :47.81(4/46) for the half before galloping out five furlongs in 1:00 flat. Jockey Jorge Ruiz was aboard for the work and is very excited for race day.

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                                                                      • str
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 01-12-09
                                                                        • 11924

                                                                        #11515
                                                                        I know Mike pretty well. Real good guy AND trainer. That low percentage for firsters makes total sense. Not saying he can’t win but am saying that race 2 will be better as will race 3, etc.
                                                                        Thats his program and that was mine. Pretty cool to hear Mike has your horse. He’s in good hands.
                                                                        GL.
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