Horse Racing questions and answers

[JBEX]

Wow nice price! I was out all morning and missed this....

too bad .. yeah a very nice win

I like when they hit at a price and the form is kind of shaky..in my opinion shows it might have something to do with the sire

[batt33]

Please respond when time permits despite scratch. I just spent an hour doing all this to have him scratched.
All Pletcher?
GP R6 #8 ** 41K 6F Acclaimed Victor. OFF 325. Just came out of my stable. 2 Very impressive starts IMHO, but certainly green.

TB 1/26/24 R8 7F MSW #4 off at 1/2. Appears disinterested (in gate)/Green, left at gate pretty badly. Long steady drive to be 2nd.

GP 3/2/24 R2 #6 MSW 89K. Off 7/2 Absolutely LOADED field, Big City, Jefferson Street, Be You. Blocked stretch turn by Be You (How does the 2 not get taken down?) Nice recovery to be nipped for 2nd, catching Jefferson Street and Big City.


1) Why is this guy off 325?
2) Why does he show up in a 41K **?
3) Why wasn't Be You #2 disqualified GP R2 3/24?
4) Why Scratched??

Seems like an endless journey to understand horse racing.

I Wish I had that kinda money to buy a horse like that!
Madison I will make some generalizations because without knowing the inside stuff it just a guess. STR has a better idea than me for sure. But here it goes.

Being off for 325 days ... sometimes horses get going then have setbacks....Look at "straight no chaser" had a setback... finally gets going again..and then the trainers team (groom,exercise rider and himself) notice something off..... so another set back.... Hence he only raced 3 times in 2024.


As for as showing up for that price.... maybe it sounded like a good idea at the time or now maybe another condition book opened up and they found a "better" spot for him. I t could be as simple as he wasn't feeling himself this morning to maybe it was a vet scratch.


Not sure on the DQ as I didn't see the race....

[batt33]

too bad .. yeah a very nice win

I like when they hit at a price and the form is kind of shaky..in my opinion shows it might have something to do with the sire

Hope you had at least 2 dollars on him!
you could be right with the sire!

[batt33]

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Looking forward to him getting back to the track!

[JBEX]

Hope you had at least 2 dollars on him!
you could be right with the sire!

nah nothing on him .. I rarely play except a little on breeders cup or triple crown races .. used to it for a very long time now..saves me money a large majority of the time lol ..no regrets

[JBEX]

Please respond when time permits despite scratch. I just spent an hour doing all this to have him scratched.
All Pletcher?
GP R6 #8 ** 41K 6F Acclaimed Victor. OFF 325. Just came out of my stable. 2 Very impressive starts IMHO, but certainly green.

TB 1/26/24 R8 7F MSW #4 off at 1/2. Appears disinterested (in gate)/Green, left at gate pretty badly. Long steady drive to be 2nd.

GP 3/2/24 R2 #6 MSW 89K. Off 7/2 Absolutely LOADED field, Big City, Jefferson Street, Be You. Blocked stretch turn by Be You (How does the 2 not get taken down?) Nice recovery to be nipped for 2nd, catching Jefferson Street and Big City.


1) Why is this guy off 325?
2) Why does he show up in a 41K **?
3) Why wasn't Be You #2 disqualified GP R2 3/24?
4) Why Scratched??

Seems like an endless journey to understand horse racing.

a megabucks kee yearling purchase who ran 2 promising starts as a young 3yo..shelved for 325 days and shows up for a $35k tag ..something wrong with him ..imo these connections just want to get rid of this horse but wouldn't run him if he were unsound ..probably be a good pickup for a smaller outfit and likely there would've been a few claims in for him had he run .. only todd knows why he was scratched




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[JBEX]

a megabucks kee yearling purchase who ran 2 promising starts as a young 3yo..shelved for 325 days and shows up for a $35k tag ..something wrong with him ..imo these connections just want to get rid of this horse but wouldn't run him if he were unsound ..probably be a good pickup for a smaller outfit and likely there would've been a few claims in for him had he run .. only todd knows why he was scratched




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I think "went" should've been included in there..not capable of achieving the high expectations that were possible without any setbacks but still could be a useful horse at lower levels of competition

[str]

Please respond when time permits despite scratch. I just spent an hour doing all this to have him scratched.
All Pletcher?
GP R6 #8 ** 41K 6F Acclaimed Victor. OFF 325. Just came out of my stable. 2 Very impressive starts IMHO, but certainly green.

TB 1/26/24 R8 7F MSW #4 off at 1/2. Appears disinterested (in gate)/Green, left at gate pretty badly. Long steady drive to be 2nd.

GP 3/2/24 R2 #6 MSW 89K. Off 7/2 Absolutely LOADED field, Big City, Jefferson Street, Be You. Blocked stretch turn by Be You (How does the 2 not get taken down?) Nice recovery to be nipped for 2nd, catching Jefferson Street and Big City.


1) Why is this guy off 325?
2) Why does he show up in a 41K **?
3) Why wasn't Be You #2 disqualified GP R2 3/24?
4) Why Scratched??

Seems like an endless journey to understand horse racing.

When you are off about a year, you have a horse that suffered a major fracture and subsequent operation which typically takes 6 months of down time for starters. So add 6-7 months from the last start and roughly 3-4 months of training to get back to fit enough to race and you have just about a year.

Probably trying to make his return as easy as possible for him off that presumptive surgery.

Don’t have any details on the DQ question

Could have been scratched for any number of reasons. Track condition or horses health on race day probably lead the list. Possible paperwork problems as well after a year off. All speculation though.

Just keep an eye out for him in the coming weeks.

Hope that helps..

[str]

Claim him Batt for 35K. Obviously need info on injured? I'll take 10% LOL.

Claims like this make you a hero or a goat. Risky business.

[str]

capped this race for the turf and it was taken off and run on the poly so a lot of the argument I made didn't apply ..probably what str said with lasix and jock staying aboard played a bigger role

my casual observation is these two sires we follow can get runners on any surface or track condition..find some signs of life without things being too obvious and you can land a nice price like this one ... $52 to win

Surprised this horse paid that much. There were things to not toss him. Bravo won’t stay on this one for just a mount. Nice price. Hope someone had it.

[JBEX]

by army mule..aqu R2 #1 army gal (3-1) @ 1:39 and aqu R8 #8 shadow dragon (5-2) @ 4:37

[Madison]

a megabucks kee yearling purchase who ran 2 promising starts as a young 3yo..shelved for 325 days and shows up for a $35k tag ..something wrong with him ..imo these connections just want to get rid of this horse but wouldn't run him if he were unsound ..probably be a good pickup for a smaller outfit and likely there would've been a few claims in for him had he run .. only todd knows why he was scratched




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Thanks

[Madison]

When you are off about a year, you have a horse that suffered a major fracture and subsequent operation which typically takes 6 months of down time for starters. So add 6-7 months from the last start and roughly 3-4 months of training to get back to fit enough to race and you have just about a year.

Probably trying to make his return as easy as possible for him off that presumptive surgery.

Don’t have any details on the DQ question

Could have been scratched for any number of reasons. Track condition or horses health on race day probably lead the list. Possible paperwork problems as well after a year off. All speculation though.

Just keep an eye out for him in the coming weeks.

Hope that helps..

Thx. If you have time I would appreciate a comment on this DQ thing. Years ago (8?) I had a good bet on Frosted? at GP inn a major prep and he got DQ'D at 5-1 winner. Recently my curse Owen Almighty, who you graciously commented on his DQ. Would really appreciate a look at the GP R2 3/24 start and help understanding why Be You wasn't DQ'd as to my memory it was similar to the Frosted DQ.

Personally, seems like an arbitrary, track, full moon etc, as from track to track the rules seem interpreted differently.

[str]

Thx. If you have time I would appreciate a comment on this DQ thing. Years ago (8?) I had a good bet on Frosted? at GP inn a major prep and he got DQ'D at 5-1 winner. Recently my curse Owen Almighty, who you graciously commented on his DQ. Would really appreciate a look at the GP R2 3/24 start and help understanding why Be You wasn't DQ'd as to my memory it was similar to the Frosted DQ.

Personally, seems like an arbitrary, track, full moon etc, as from track to track the rules seem interpreted differently.

I am looking at Gulfstream park Race 2 on 3/24/24. Can't find Be You in that race.

Help me out please.

Also, tried to find a replay of the Frosted race but it won't load. Any replays you can see?

[str]

I am looking at Gulfstream park Race 2 on 3/24/24. Can't find Be You in that race.

Help me out please.

Also, tried to find a replay of the Frosted race but it won't load. Any replays you can see?

Just found and watched the Frosted race where he was 3rd. Upstart was taken down. Is this the race you want to discuss? If so, fire away.

Also, double check the date and race of this other race in question. Thanks


Sorry Madison. I am confused at this point. Lolol. Happy to help though.

[Madison]

GP 3/2/24 R2 MSW.

No big deal. Need to move on if you can't find it.

Thanks!!

[Madison]

GP 3/2/24 R2 #6 MSW 89K. Off 7/2 Absolutely LOADED field, Big City, Jefferson Street, Be You. Blocked stretch turn by Be You (How does the 2 not get taken down?) Nice recovery to be nipped for 2nd, catching Jefferson Street and Big City.

[JBEX]

by army mule..aqu R2 #1 army gal (3-1) @ 1:39 and aqu R8 #8 shadow dragon (5-2) @ 4:37

winner paid $4.80..very professional effort (debut horse) breaking from the rail and taken back just being off the leader in the backstretch.. the leader (other co favorite) looked like he didn't switch leads in the stretch and that had to help AG's cause

[JBEX]

by army mule..aqu R2 #1 army gal (3-1) @ 1:39 and aqu R8 #8 shadow dragon (5-2) @ 4:37

winner paid $4.80..very professional effort (debut horse) breaking from the rail and taken back just being off the leader in the backstretch.. the leader (other co favorite) looked like he didn't switch leads in the stretch and that had to help AG's cause

shadow dragon also wins ..finally gets through this condition after many solid efforts ..pays $6.10




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[str]

by army mule..aqu R2 #1 army gal (3-1) @ 1:39 and aqu R8 #8 shadow dragon (5-2) @ 4:37

winner paid $4.80..very professional effort (debut horse) breaking from the rail and taken back just being off the leader in the backstretch.. the leader (other co favorite) looked like he didn't switch leads in the stretch and that had to help AG's cause

shadow dragon also wins ..finally gets through this condition after many solid efforts ..pays $6.10




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Just another day at the office for Army Mule.

I think a fan could just look for them and bet them based on that field and the price. The thing you can always count on is all of them giving all they have.
What a luxury that is.

[str]

GP 3/2/24 R2 #6 MSW 89K. Off 7/2 Absolutely LOADED field, Big City, Jefferson Street, Be You. Blocked stretch turn by Be You (How does the 2 not get taken down?) Nice recovery to be nipped for 2nd, catching Jefferson Street and Big City.

YEAH !!! I found the race.


I see where you are talking about with the winner drifting out a bit early in the stretch. But, he was his body length and another clear body length in front. The clear body length allows him to go where he wants to go. At no time did the rider of the 8 horse need to stop riding or trying to advance. Did the winner throw some dirt in the 8 horses face? Yes. Did the winner keep the 8 horse from trying to move up? No. He was clear.

What is clear? Clear is when you are a body length or more in front so if you do drift, there is no way the sets of hind legs by the leader and front legs of the chaser can possibly get tangled up. He was clear for sure. The rider of the 8 horse never had to check or stop riding when that occurred. Therefore, it was fair.

Did Irad do him any favors? No. Was it rough riding? No. Was it aggressive riding? Probably.

Hope that helps give you a better understanding of what is allowed Madison.

[JBEX]

by army mule..

lrl R6 #5 discreet ops (3-1) @ 3:04 ..
discussed before in here..you know the trainer and owner

turfway R5 #5 california burrito (4-1) @ 7:55 ..
start 2 back was mentioned in here ..both contenders as reflected by the ml's

[JBEX]

by army mule..

lrl R6 #5 discreet ops (3-1) @ 3:04 ..
discussed before in here..you know the trainer and owner

turfway R5 #5 california burrito (4-1) @ 7:55 ..
start 2 back was mentioned in here ..both contenders as reflected by the ml's

I'll mention a by liam's map also ..fairgrounds R5 #10 map out (7-2) @ 3:45..solid contender imo



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[str]

by army mule..

lrl R6 #5 discreet ops (3-1) @ 3:04 ..
discussed before in here..you know the trainer and owner

turfway R5 #5 california burrito (4-1) @ 7:55 ..
start 2 back was mentioned in here ..both contenders as reflected by the ml's

I remember Discreet Ops. Chip Reed owner and little Benny F. trainer. Looks fine. One thing I would ask them is why she is not on Lasix. These hard trying horses almost always can use it. That seems odd.

[Madison]

YEAH !!! I found the race.




I see where you are talking about with the winner drifting out a bit early in the stretch. But, he was his body length and another clear body length in front. The clear body length allows him to go where he wants to go. At no time did the rider of the 8 horse need to stop riding or trying to advance. Did the winner throw some dirt in the 8 horses face? Yes. Did the winner keep the 8 horse from trying to move up? No. He was clear.

What is clear? Clear is when you are a body length or more in front so if you do drift, there is no way the sets of hind legs by the leader and front legs of the chaser can possibly get tangled up. He was clear for sure. The rider of the 8 horse never had to check or stop riding when that occurred. Therefore, it was fair.

Did Irad do him any favors? No. Was it rough riding? No. Was it aggressive riding? Probably.

Hope that helps give you a better understanding of what is allowed Madison.

Thanks STR. Not sure my eyes agree but it is what it is and time to look forward and move on.

Have a great day!!

[JBEX]

you wouldn't believe the AM who's scheduled to run tomorrow lol ..i'll give the answer tonight if you don't

[JBEX]

you wouldn't believe the AM who's scheduled to run tomorrow lol ..i'll give the answer tonight if you don't

you're familiar with the horse

[str]

you wouldn't believe the AM who's scheduled to run tomorrow lol ..i'll give the answer tonight if you don't

you're familiar with the horse

Hope it’s not that mismanaged mess we talked about last week.

[JBEX]

Hope it’s not that mismanaged mess we talked about last week.

bingo

Xtra heat stakes @ laurel tomorrow

[JBEX]

bingo

Xtra heat stakes @ laurel tomorrow

at least it's against the girls

[JBEX]

she's run well on quick returns 3 times but this one is even less time and a substantial shipping distance

[JBEX]

she's run well on quick returns 3 times but this one is even less time and a substantial shipping distance

oaklawn to laurel is 1100+ miles

[str]

Hope it’s not that mismanaged mess we talked about last week.

bingo Xtra heat stakes @ laurel tomorrow

at least it's against the girls

she's run well on quick returns 3 times but this one is even less time and a substantial shipping distance

oaklawn to laurel is 1100+ miles

Nice. Get a little class relief and all she had to do is ride a van for 24 hours. Maybe get a work in her before the race . In company. He should have shipped her out to go head and head with straight no chaser, Cool her out and then vanned to Laurel.

[str]

Nice. Get a little class relief and all she had to do is ride a van for 24 hours. Maybe get a work in her before the race . In company. He should have shipped her out to go head and head with straight no chaser, Cool her out and then vanned to Laurel.

Don’t you wish someone could interview the horse instead of the people to see what she would say about her trainer ?

[JBEX]

Nice. Get a little class relief and all she had to do is ride a van for 24 hours. Maybe get a work in her before the race . In company. He should have shipped her out to go head and head with straight no chaser, Cool her out and then vanned to Laurel.

nothing would surprise me with this guy..looks competitive in there ..also the two shortest rests were consecutive races so guess she comes out of races in good shape ..even if she does run well it's hard imo to justify the path taken to get her to this race