Horse Racing questions and answers

[Easy-Rider 66]

Second question 1st. He had a setback with infection. Another surgery, Unreal, but working on getting out in a couple of days. This crap never seems to end. His spirits are high though so that's a good thing. Thanks EZ, really appreciate it !

As for Navarro, good. Gotta say that I never knew the guy but when I saw that video at the bar at Monmouth watching his horse on TV and acting like the big shot he was sure we was, it screamed to me of a cheating piece of crap. I just felt like I could tell just in his body language. And I know, you can't draw that conclusion from just that, and that is probably true, but the way he dominated and more than that, nobody could get much run out of his horses if they claimed them, that's all I needed to see. NOBODY, is THAT good. NOBODY.
You know how I feel about cheaters and I had to deal with a few of them in Md. in the late 80's and 90's. One in particular that turned my stomach. They changed the game for me and made it no fun. In hind sight, I should have left a few years before I did. But it was a huge decision that quite frankly I never had considered ever having to make 10 years earlier. So I guess it took time to finally leave. I loved the game, and I loved being in the game, but the cheating wore me down and I lost my passion for it.
No matter what he gets, it won't be enough for me. Same with the other guy, and any that follow.

All the best EZ.

OK STR thx for the Take. sorry to hear that your son came down with an infection. Sounds like the surgery went well. Continued Good luck to him and your family.

[JBEX]

So way back in the day (the 70's and earlier) 5 year old maidens were denied stalls in Md., and most east coast major tracks. The only mile track that allowed them was Parx, or Phila. Park, or Keystone then. Same track, they just keep changing the name.

I actually had a 5 year old maiden that shipped in when she was 4 in the fall. Turned out she was working great and against 25k males in my barn. Being 5 when she was ready to run, I had one shot to run her out of town. If she got beat, they were not going to let her come back into my barn at Bowie. Don't remember what the backup plan was. Lol. So I ran her for Fillies and Mares, 4 and 5 year olds Claiming 10k. ( No 6 or ups were eligible), She had not run in 3 years and ran poorly when she was 2.
She won, the barn got happy and that was that. I sent a discreet female rider from Md., starving for mounts up to ride her mainly because I did not trust those riders in Phila. (Never did.) You might remember her name. Julie Krone. Lol.

Shortly thereafter, because so many tracks were running year around which meant smaller fields everywhere, management at many tracks started excepting 5 year old maiden entries. I don't know what the rule is today but I have seen some older than 5 running somewhere.
But back when there were horses everywhere and big fields everywhere, older than 4 years old were denied stalls to make room for younger, better horses. At least in the eyes of management.
So I guess they draw the line at 7 year old maidens now? Lol. I don't know for sure but that is the history behind it.

julie who lol..wow at that time that's where she was in her career..sounds like around mid 80's to me..pretty cool

makes sense about limiting the age of maidens at that time..I guess the fact it was 5 then and 7 now says a lot about field size currently


tony dutrow's horse ran huge yesterday just missing by a nose (sure you watched it) ..very wide on the turn also..love your feedback when you get a chance on the race he ran

[str]

julie who lol..wow at that time that's where she was in her career..sounds like around mid 80's to me..pretty cool

makes sense about limiting the age of maidens at that time..I guess the fact it was 5 then and 7 now says a lot about field size currently


tony dutrow's horse ran huge yesterday just missing by a nose (sure you watched it) ..very wide on the turn also..love your feedback when you get a chance on the race he ran

January of 83.

Yes, it shows just how badly they have diluted the product with all this summer racing. Greed for the buck. That's all it is.

Tony's horse ran huge all right. Very wide throughout and was last after about 5 jumps. The horse veered a bit and that got him in squeeze mode between horses. But... do you see what I mean about relaxed and finding the stride and flow, and then, finishing. That is exactly the way we were taught. Had that been a speed trainer , the horse would have rushed up, dueled and probably weakened late.
This horse even looked like it was not sure about doing more than finishing about even with the winner. Was in front a head, then back a head or neck and then made it REAL close. Just a nose and a great effort.
No doubt that Tony is prepping this horse for the long haul. Was not concerned about a big flashy 1st start. Although it was. The horse will be better next out and better still 3rd out as long as things go as expected.
That race was incredibly reminiscent of exactly what we learned all those years ago. Really cool to watch it. Kind of nostalgic.
Thanks again for the heads up JBEX ! Really enjoyed it.
One last thing. Tony has a horse named Bointheback. I MUST call him soon about that. If you want me to, I will explain what it means.
Man did we used to laugh at that when we were at the sales together. Lolol.

[JBEX]

January of 83.

Yes, it shows just how badly they have diluted the product with all this summer racing. Greed for the buck. That's all it is.

Tony's horse ran huge all right. Very wide throughout and was last after about 5 jumps. The horse veered a bit and that got him in squeeze mode between horses. But... do you see what I mean about relaxed and finding the stride and flow, and then, finishing. That is exactly the way we were taught. Had that been a speed trainer , the horse would have rushed up, dueled and probably weakened late.
This horse even looked like it was not sure about doing more than finishing about even with the winner. Was in front a head, then back a head or neck and then made it REAL close. Just a nose and a great effort.
No doubt that Tony is prepping this horse for the long haul. Was not concerned about a big flashy 1st start. Although it was. The horse will be better next out and better still 3rd out as long as things go as expected.
That race was incredibly reminiscent of exactly what we learned all those years ago. Really cool to watch it. Kind of nostalgic.
Thanks again for the heads up JBEX ! Really enjoyed it.
One last thing. Tony has a horse named Bointheback. I MUST call him soon about that. If you want me to, I will explain what it means.
Man did we used to laugh at that when we were at the sales together. Lolol.

no problem str

was 20 years old.. she couldn't have been around too much before that

yeah see what you mean about patience early (guess that's kind of like finding stride).. probably a much more useful introduction than showing speed out of the gate as you said.. hopefully came out of it OK and we'll see more of him at belmont.. possible that running style might work even better there with the larger turns


fire away about bointheback

[JBEX]

hey str

wanted your thoughts after the fact on R9 at indiana yesterday

2yo msw @ 7.5f on turf

#3 won $31.60

considered him but wound up on another

pedigree is amazing for 2 turns turf with the sire and dam combo..latter has been about as productive as can be overall and on the turf


trainer has solid stats overall especially factoring roi..understand not a huge sample but I'd consider it a positive indicator

I was thrown off mainly by how cheap an auction purchase he was and this leads me to my question (understand hindsight 20/20 and not saying I should have played him)..how about the logic that because of what they paid for him starting him at a mid level track kind of fits ..while maybe there was a small chance he'd be good enough for a msw at a big track,this type of spot or a mcl race at a big track is where he'd more likely be successful..they probably were thinking this when they purchased him..what do you think ?

[JBEX]

colonial

R6 #8 boondoggle (30-1)

no big deal if you don't get to this in time but like you to see it anyway

7yo bred/owned and trained by same person

sire who I've never heard of a son of gone west ..$500 stud fee probably has a lot to do with it ..maybe a va stallion


ran big 3 back in a restricted stakes at lrl @ 231-1 last year..that race could win vs this field..another trainer had her for those 2 starts

dam sire "stop the music" haven't seen him as a dam sire at least in quite a while..probably because he was foaled same year as secretariat lol


thought a little interesting 2nd off the long layoff considering the race he ran 3 back..but all the stuff going on here I thought you'd get a kick out of

[str]

colonial

R6 #8 boondoggle (30-1)

no big deal if you don't get to this in time but like you to see it anyway

7yo bred/owned and trained by same person

sire who I've never heard of a son of gone west ..$500 stud fee probably has a lot to do with it ..maybe a va stallion


ran big 3 back in a restricted stakes at lrl @ 231-1 last year..that race could win vs this field..another trainer had her for those 2 starts

dam sire "stop the music" haven't seen him as a dam sire at least in quite a while..probably because he was foaled same year as secretariat lol





thought a little interesting 2nd off the long layoff considering the race he ran 3 back..but all the stuff going on here I thought you'd get a kick out of

How this horse ran 3rd is the question. Just goes to show you I guess.

Looks like this one is a pet. She runs it every year at Colonial. Virginia has a bunch of that stuff going on with pet race horses.


Lol at Stop The Music. Yeah, it's been a while to say the least. Darn nice horse though. I was just a green hot walker when he ran 2nd to Secretariat at Laurel that fall. That Laurel Futurity was the final big race for 2 year olds back then.
Track was really sloppy and Secretariat blew him away. Never forget that. So cool to see .
Whew. Waaaay back in the day.

Thanks JBEX !

[JBEX]

How this horse ran 3rd is the question. Just goes to show you I guess.

Looks like this one is a pet. She runs it every year at Colonial. Virginia has a bunch of that stuff going on with pet race horses.


Lol at Stop The Music. Yeah, it's been a while to say the least. Darn nice horse though. I was just a green hot walker when he ran 2nd to Secretariat at Laurel that fall. That Laurel Futurity was the final big race for 2 year olds back then.
Track was really sloppy and Secretariat blew him away. Never forget that. So cool to see .
Whew. Waaaay back in the day.

Thanks JBEX !

no problem and know I've heard that before (pet)..dam was foaled in 1998 so stm was active for a long time..guessing 28 is pretty old for a stallion



interesting that Laurel race was 2nd off the long layoff and he showed similiar speed in the race before..this time dropping down a notch rather than shooting for the moon..not a bad longie imo..appreciate the response as always str

[JBEX]

forgot to say pretty neat having a memory of Secretariat as a 2yo

[str]

no problem str

was 20 years old.. she couldn't have been around too much before that

yeah see what you mean about patience early (guess that's kind of like finding stride).. probably a much more useful introduction than showing speed out of the gate as you said.. hopefully came out of it OK and we'll see more of him at belmont.. possible that running style might work even better there with the larger turns


fire away about bointheback

So, Tony and I would fly together to the sales in Ky. or Fla. and Fasig- Tipton has the same crew of auctioneers and spotters typically that go from event to event.
If you have ever been to one or watched one on you tube, when the gavel goes down, the auctioneer usually identifies the spotter that got the winning bid from the person sitting or standing in their section. Like " Tom, up front" or "Bill, on the phone". Well, one of the guys was Bo. He was typically positioned in the back, which is the area behind the auctioneer box that you cannot see. That area is where the 2-3 horses are walking that are on deck in the sales ring lineup.
But one auctioneer in particular, when Bo had the winning bid would delay his delivery the same way every time . He would do, " And I have" and slam down the gavel, 50,000.00(or whatever was the final bid)and then say BO..........intheback. He would say intheback so fast after that long hesitation that when he did it, Tony and I would start laughing. And we usually stood in the back so if we won a bid, it was usually with Bo. It's a "guess you had to be there" thing, but over the years we would laugh every time that particular auctioneer was at the microphone . He said intheback really fast and we talked about how we wanted to win the horse just to hear about Bo.
That was obviously 20 plus years ago and I don't know if Bo still works there or not but that is what Tony is referring to with the name he gave that horse. My guess is, he bought it in the back and Bo was taking the bid and that certain auctioneer was working the mic at the time. I will ask him when we talk.
Now you know.

[JBEX]

So, Tony and I would fly together to the sales in Ky. or Fla. and Fasig- Tipton has the same crew of auctioneers and spotters typically that go from event to event.
If you have ever been to one or watched one on you tube, when the gavel goes down, the auctioneer usually identifies the spotter that got the winning bid from the person sitting or standing in their section. Like " Tom, up front" or "Bill, on the phone". Well, one of the guys was Bo. He was typically positioned in the back, which is the area behind the auctioneer box that you cannot see. That area is where the 2-3 horses are walking that are on deck in the sales ring lineup.
But one auctioneer in particular, when Bo had the winning bid would delay his delivery the same way every time . He would do, " And I have" and slam down the gavel, 50,000.00(or whatever was the final bid)and then say BO..........intheback. He would say intheback so fast after that long hesitation that when he did it, Tony and I would start laughing. And we usually stood in the back so if we won a bid, it was usually with Bo. It's a "guess you had to be there" thing, but over the years we would laugh every time that particular auctioneer was at the microphone . He said intheback really fast and we talked about how we wanted to win the horse just to hear about Bo.
That was obviously 20 plus years ago and I don't know if Bo still works there or not but that is what Tony is referring to with the name he gave that horse. My guess is, he bought it in the back and Bo was taking the bid and that certain auctioneer was working the mic at the time. I will ask him when we talk.
Now you know.

great story str and I'm sure Tony got a kick out of having a horse with that name..guess the owner liked the story also..I've seen the owner interviewed on the nyra show and believe he's got quite a few horses and been involved for a while..

that's got to be exciting on any level going to those auctions..everybody does there work (simplified lol)and lots of anticipation that maybe you've found the next "seattle slew" amongst the offerings..think he was picked up for $17k if I remember correctly

[JBEX]

hey str



R3 #5 dotada (9-2)

hamilton smith has a 2yo fts at timonium tomorrow that I thought you'd like to see ..one of the best first out sires factoring class and sample size of progeny and she definitely fits my expensive for the specs angle..his fts and overall msw numbers are excellent..long steady work tab going back to the beginning of july..has a 5 lb bug that's doing very well aboard ..only 4f though and think we've discussed the importance of a good gate rider in these types of races..anyway thought you might like to take a look

[str]

hey str



R3 #5 dotada (9-2)

hamilton smith has a 2yo fts at timonium tomorrow that I thought you'd like to see ..one of the best first out sires factoring class and sample size of progeny and she definitely fits my expensive for the specs angle..his fts and overall msw numbers are excellent..long steady work tab going back to the beginning of july..has a 5 lb bug that's doing very well aboard ..only 4f though and think we've discussed the importance of a good gate rider in these types of races..anyway thought you might like to take a look

Hambones firsters are typically fit enough. Usually plenty of works like this one shows. He emphasizes speed mainly because most of his babies are bred for that. A reason for his lower % overall with babies is because he does get his share of real cheap babies that take a while to win. This , as you said, is not that. This baby has breezed over the track several times including , I'm guessing but pretty sure, before it was bought this spring. And for that money, this horse had to , in all probability, breeze fast. Some speed inside but both tend to stop. This one looks legit JBEX. I see nothing wrong with the pick, or the angle in which you approach the play.
That bug might indeed be a good gate rider. He does have JD Acosta inside of him and he certainly knows his way around a bull ring. I don't mind the bug here though.
Go for it.
GL JBEX .

[JBEX]

Hambones firsters are typically fit enough. Usually plenty of works like this one shows. He emphasizes speed mainly because most of his babies are bred for that. A reason for his lower % overall with babies is because he does get his share of real cheap babies that take a while to win. This , as you said, is not that. This baby has breezed over the track several times including , I'm guessing but pretty sure, before it was bought this spring. And for that money, this horse had to , in all probability, breeze fast. Some speed inside but both tend to stop. This one looks legit JBEX. I see nothing wrong with the pick, or the angle in which you approach the play.
That bug might indeed be a good gate rider. He does have JD Acosta inside of him and he certainly knows his way around a bull ring. I don't mind the bug here though.
Go for it.
GL JBEX .

thanks str

I really believe (wouldn't swear to it) that I've noticed he does seem to have a good amount of cheaper horses..maybe it's I'm more aware of him as he's one of your old track buddies..makes sense that would bring down his overall numbers but in the smaller msw debut sample he has done alright

the trainer of jd acosta's horse is excellent with fts and the other inside of him showed speed at belmont in his last with the addition of blinkers..hey gotta have some competition for a little bit of a price..I think she'll be lower


great info..appreciate it as always

[JBEX]

guessing you may have watched..off a little slow and that was that..looked at the chart and he gained about 7 lengths
from the quarter pole (otherwise known as the halfway point of the race lol)..have to think he was happy with that effort and that he has something to work with

[JBEX]

So, Tony and I would fly together to the sales in Ky. or Fla. and Fasig- Tipton has the same crew of auctioneers and spotters typically that go from event to event.
If you have ever been to one or watched one on you tube, when the gavel goes down, the auctioneer usually identifies the spotter that got the winning bid from the person sitting or standing in their section. Like " Tom, up front" or "Bill, on the phone". Well, one of the guys was Bo. He was typically positioned in the back, which is the area behind the auctioneer box that you cannot see. That area is where the 2-3 horses are walking that are on deck in the sales ring lineup.
But one auctioneer in particular, when Bo had the winning bid would delay his delivery the same way every time . He would do, " And I have" and slam down the gavel, 50,000.00(or whatever was the final bid)and then say BO..........intheback. He would say intheback so fast after that long hesitation that when he did it, Tony and I would start laughing. And we usually stood in the back so if we won a bid, it was usually with Bo. It's a "guess you had to be there" thing, but over the years we would laugh every time that particular auctioneer was at the microphone . He said intheback really fast and we talked about how we wanted to win the horse just to hear about Bo.
That was obviously 20 plus years ago and I don't know if Bo still works there or not but that is what Tony is referring to with the name he gave that horse. My guess is, he bought it in the back and Bo was taking the bid and that certain auctioneer was working the mic at the time. I will ask him when we talk.
Now you know.

they just interviewed the owner of "bointheback" on the nyra show and he told the story

[str]

they just interviewed the owner of "bointheback" on the nyra show and he told the story

Would have liked to hear that.

I know I was close but would have wanted to hear any particulars.

Did they buy that horse from Bo....intheback? Lol.

[JBEX]

Would have liked to hear that.

I know I was close but would have wanted to hear any particulars.

Did they buy that horse from Bo....intheback? Lol.

very brief @ 2:18:12

https://youtu.be/4rggMmfgljo

[harthebar]

Saratoga Race Replays

https://www.nyra.com/saratoga/racing/replays

Race 8
Head view

Hey str.
Hope all is well with you and everyone long summer for me.......reading your stuff everyday. Love it...its like a great book
Anywzy. Im sure you saw that race. Where he tried to bite his face. I had the 8. At 8 to1. He wins if that didnt happen......does that happen a lot. And we just dont see it....its amazing these jocks hold the horse together at thzt speed. How the heck can he run thzt fast. And bite. Lol .anywzy. its always great. To get a little info
Be safe my friend. ..

[str]

Saratoga Race Replays

https://www.nyra.com/saratoga/racing/replays

Race 8
Head view

Hey str.
Hope all is well with you and everyone long summer for me.......reading your stuff everyday. Love it...its like a great book
Anywzy. Im sure you saw that race. Where he tried to bite his face. I had the 8. At 8 to1. He wins if that didnt happen......does that happen a lot. And we just dont see it....its amazing these jocks hold the horse together at thzt speed. How the heck can he run thzt fast. And bite. Lol .anywzy. its always great. To get a little info
Be safe my friend. ..

I appreciate the kind words. Thank you.

Yes, everyone is talking about the biting incident at Saratoga. Does it happen all the time? No.
But it does happen. I have seen it in smaller forms maybe 20 times? A few of those were from my horses and others just races I was watching.
However, I have to say that I never saw one as long lasting as that one. And I had never seen a horse actually get the bridle stuck in his teeth for several strides like we saw on Saturday. That was a first for me in about 50 years of watching races.

I have heard plenty of people say that he would have won had he not reached over to bite the other horse. And the argument is there on tape to allow support for that theory. But the thing I have not heard anyone say yet, and someone probably did, was that while people think he would have won if he hadn't done that, Firenze Fire did NOT think he was going to win. If he did, he would have continued on. The horse was trying his heart out and was not going by, and he got upset and reached over to bite the other horse to make him go away.
But I will say this. If he was my horse, I would think the world of him. FF gives you everything he possibly can give . What more can you ask for than that.
He might have won or not but him not thinking he could without getting mad kind of tells you what he was thinking about. Climbing into the horses head is as cool as it gets. They can't talk with words, but their body language can speak loud and clear. His certainly did.
And when you get a horse that honest, game, and hard trying, you have to respect the hell out of them. I kind of thought pre race that he was a horse that needed things to go right to run well. And maybe some of that is true. But I am a fan for life after that. What a cool horse.

And what Ortiz was able to do was incredible. The athleticism and composure that he showed was as good as it gets. I could write a whole page about what a great job that rider did under those circumstances. Incredible!

All the best Hart. Great to hear from you.

[josi]

The day was amazing and the horses ran true to form. I know some don't like it because it wasn't such a money making day but those days I love to just watch the Big Guns run and show their stuff. Just amazing! One nice hit I had through the day was Kitten Of The Sea.

[str]

The day was amazing and the horses ran true to form. I know some don't like it because it wasn't such a money making day but those days I love to just watch the Big Guns run and show their stuff. Just amazing! One nice hit I had through the day was Kitten Of The Sea.

It was a great day at Saratoga for sure. Such a historic place. It rarely disappoints.
Glad to hear you cashed that ticket. Well done.
Thanks for posting here. All the best Josi.

[Louisvillekid1]

Homie! Just got back from spa

I absolutely love the 5 in the 9th

crushing it lately , life has been rough but hope all is well my brother!

[str]

Homie! Just got back from spa

I absolutely love the 5 in the 9th

crushing it lately , life has been rough but hope all is well my brother!

Hi Kid,

Great to hear from you. Saw your horse ran a real nice race yesterday . Sorry you didn't cash but the pick was solid. All you can ask for is your horse to show up and run his race. I think he did that.

Glad to hear you had a good Saratoga meet. Sorry to hear that it's been rough lately. Hang in there my friend. If you can handicap your life and how to hopefully get rid of the rough stuff half as well as you play this game, you will be fine in no time at all.

When it comes to decisions, I've found that if you measure twice, then cut once, it is usually a good cut.

All the best to you Kid, I'm always rooting for you.
Take good care, OK?

[JBEX]

January of 83.

Yes, it shows just how badly they have diluted the product with all this summer racing. Greed for the buck. That's all it is.

Tony's horse ran huge all right. Very wide throughout and was last after about 5 jumps. The horse veered a bit and that got him in squeeze mode between horses. But... do you see what I mean about relaxed and finding the stride and flow, and then, finishing. That is exactly the way we were taught. Had that been a speed trainer , the horse would have rushed up, dueled and probably weakened late.
This horse even looked like it was not sure about doing more than finishing about even with the winner. Was in front a head, then back a head or neck and then made it REAL close. Just a nose and a great effort.
No doubt that Tony is prepping this horse for the long haul. Was not concerned about a big flashy 1st start. Although it was. The horse will be better next out and better still 3rd out as long as things go as expected.
That race was incredibly reminiscent of exactly what we learned all those years ago. Really cool to watch it. Kind of nostalgic.
Thanks again for the heads up JBEX ! Really enjoyed it.
One last thing. Tony has a horse named Bointheback. I MUST call him soon about that. If you want me to, I will explain what it means.
Man did we used to laugh at that when we were at the sales together. Lolol.

hey str


running today R7




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[str]

hey str


running today R7




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I'll try and watch.

Thanks for the heads up JBEX !

[JBEX]

I'll try and watch.

Thanks for the heads up JBEX !

np str..even though I picked another be rooting for him also

[JBEX]

looks like a real nice horse.. hopefully he came out of it well and will be pointed to the ny fall stakes races.. "champagne" on 10/2 and/or the "nashua" around the end of october.. the former would normally be a tougher field but maybe he wouldn't want to sideline him for almost two months for the latter.. interesting to see where he winds up

[str]

looks like a real nice horse.. hopefully he came out of it well and will be pointed to the ny fall stakes races.. "champagne" on 10/2 and/or the "nashua" around the end of october.. the former would normally be a tougher field but maybe he wouldn't want to sideline him for almost two months for the latter.. interesting to see where he winds up

Yeah, that is really tricky. Personally, I always hated having the condition book decide my horses future. So he has to run a mile in the Champagne. The condition book is making him grow up in a hurry and we have no idea if he has shown any tendencies to want more ground. I'm sure Tony knows as he sees him everyday. Really hard to say with virtually no understanding of the situation.
And because we don't know what his winter plans are, it's a total stab at this point.

[JBEX]

Yeah, that is really tricky. Personally, I always hated having the condition book decide my horses future. So he has to run a mile in the Champagne. The condition book is making him grow up in a hurry and we have no idea if he has shown any tendencies to want more ground. I'm sure Tony knows as he sees him everyday. Really hard to say with virtually no understanding of the situation.
And because we don't know what his winter plans are, it's a total stab at this point.

yeah that makes sense..at least with belmont it's only 1 turn which might be an easier adjustment ..guessing if he's not up to it at that level of competition might be some stakes races out of town at two turns that he could try..I guess one other option would be give him some rest and wait till gulfstream..just seems off the top of my head 2yo dirt sprints (allowance or stakes) are not common in the fall

[JBEX]

hey str

indiana

R6 #8 barstow (3-1)

this is a 2yo first time starter going 2 turns on the turf ..homebred with really nice pedigree including dam who could run and produce

factoring in this trainer is a mott disciple do you think it's likely that his two bullet moves were done without being asked for too much ?

capping wise..

two bullets will take a price hit but you also have 2 brad cox fts (at higher ml odds ) and #10 who ran a nice one at AP last out..brad is way overbet with debuters anyway

[str]

hey str

indiana

R6 #8 barstow (3-1)

this is a 2yo first time starter going 2 turns on the turf ..homebred with really nice pedigree including dam who could run and produce

factoring in this trainer is a mott disciple do you think it's likely that his two bullet moves were done without being asked for too much ?

capping wise..

two bullets will take a price hit but you also have 2 brad cox fts (at higher ml odds ) and #10 who ran a nice one at AP last out..brad is way overbet with debuters anyway

This type of homebred is the type I never have a question about intent to win vs. a pet. This ownership is in it to make money.
The Mott taught trainers lower % of firster wins makes perfect sense. They are fit to win but not cranked to the moon.
The works make the horse look very promising.
Should be interesting to see how this one does first out. I have no problem taking a swing with this one.
Good luck if you play JBEX.

[str]

Forgot to mention that this work caught my eye as a solid move first work out of the gate. Might have been the work where the lightbulb went off.


18Jly Kee
4f
ft :49© Bg 17/37

[JBEX]

This type of homebred is the type I never have a question about intent to win vs. a pet. This ownership is in it to make money.
The Mott taught trainers lower % of firster wins makes perfect sense. They are fit to win but not cranked to the moon.
The works make the horse look very promising.
Should be interesting to see how this one does first out. I have no problem taking a swing with this one.
Good luck if you play JBEX.

Forgot to mention that this work caught my eye as a solid move first work out of the gate. Might have been the work where the lightbulb went off.


18Jly Kee
4f
ft :49© Bg 17/37

sounds good str..appreciate the feedback as always

[JBEX]

ran like a 3-1 ml going off at 8-1..shouldn't have drifted that high imo