Wallco NHL GOLD (+453 units in 6 years)

[thekoreanmang]

Do 10 dimes equate to a Susan B. Anthony then?

Sorry, I've been a dad for a year now so I've been perfecting my dad jokes like nobody's business.

[TechnicalTrader]

Thanks guys!

Jkeg, please help us all out and share your wisdom/experience.

This place can be a pretty cold, wicked gathering for some class act jerkoffs... We need more people like Mang, Wallco or DoubleDimes in here. This place would be so much better and way more productive if we could just focus on being great at what we love. I love sports, I love numbers... Let's make some money!!


Mang, if this is done correctly, you could literally land 6 dimes in 4 weeks! Ha, you walked in to that one. What a set up!!!

[thekoreanmang]

Yes, but in the long run you will make more money.

You play a lot less bets but your profit and risk is much much higher.

Let's assume you are single... Would you rather have sex with 6 dimes over a span of four weeks and have a very low risk of getting an STD, or would you rather have sex with 30 average girls over four weeks with a much higher risk of catching an STD?

Sure, you'll get a lot more action, but you'll have way more fun with the dime pieces, along with a much lower risk of having a deformed d!ck...

Amazing strategy. Amazing analogy. 6 dimes in 4 wks is actually a lot. I think 6 dimes in a year is a lot for even the above avg dude.

[JKEGS81]

TT, I've noticed you and thekoreanmang for the last few months and really appreciate both your helpful input and efforts on this forum, you're both a lot like me in the way you think and and come from the perspective of greatest returns, and always operate with professionalism. Anyway I've also been following Wallco99 for years and he and a few others on here are great - this system here obviously rocks the way it is and yet I've been playing it with only the B and C games the last two years just like you describe above and I can share from experience it has worked outstanding! Best wishes to all this year, and Happy Turkey Day!

[sedwards86]

Lol great analogy

[TechnicalTrader]

Yes, but in the long run you will make more money.

You play a lot less bets but your profit and risk is much much higher.

Let's assume you are single... Would you rather have sex with 6 dimes over a span of four weeks and have a very low risk of getting an STD, or would you rather have sex with 30 average girls over four weeks with a much higher risk of catching an STD?

Sure, you'll get a lot more action, but you'll have way more fun with the dime pieces, along with a much lower risk of having a deformed d!ck...

[sedwards86]

Your strategy is a very good one, TechnicalTrader. The one disadvantage I see is that you will miss out on all of the A bets that win or cover.

[TechnicalTrader]

Thanks Mang, taking things one step further:

Exponential growth at 3.5% profit per chase over 89 bets would be 21.36X original BR
Exponential growth at 1% profit per chase over over 242 bets would be 11.11X original BR

These numbers do not tell the truth though, because you will never win 89 or 242 series in a row. Lets look at a series of 10 wins:

With exponential growth at 3.5% profit per chase over 10 bets, your RoI would be +40%
With exponential growth at 1% profit per chase over 10 bets, your RoI would be +11.5%

Do the math, it really isn't that difficult...

I understand that certain people need/want daily action and a three game chase is great for that, but if you wan't to maximize your profits, I really recommend to wait for the B bet and chase only once.

One more thing, adjusting your unit size daily is the way to go. Betting a set unit size throughout the entire season is not very professional.

[thekoreanmang]

Wow. Great stuff, TT.

[TechnicalTrader]

Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

Thanks Wallco.

Just attempting to be helpful here, not trolling like that other guy....

Have you ever thought about only playing the B and C games, while chasing only once? The reason why I ask is because I have been very successful doing exactly that with your basic system, used on the ATP. I wait for a B game and only chase once. By doing so, I can risk more and chase less, obviously. Let me know if I messed this up but here are the results I found and how this system would've done had you only played the B and C game:

By playing only two games, rather than three, the revised target profit would be 3.5 units, rather than 1 unit.

As you can see, the average odds we get is around -154 (to make things easier in excel, I use decimal odds 1.65 = -154). By betting to earn 3.5 units, our A bet would be 5.40 units and C bet 13.7 units (total risk 19.1).

	Risk	Odds (Dec.)	Profit	Total Risk
B Bet	5.39	1.65	3.50
C Bet	13.70	1.65	8.89	19.10

So assuming we played only the B and C games, this would've been our results from 2006-2011 (I'd need to dig up the other seasons stats but the results are pretty much the same throughout each season):

		Record	Units W/L	Total Profit	Total Profit Wallco
2010-11	W	89	311.5	191.5	115.37
	L	6	120
2009-10	W	77	269.5	169.5	144.75
	L	5	100
2008-09	W	71	248.5	88.5	80.37
	L	8	160
2007-08	W	82	287	27	-8.36
	L	13	260
2006-07	W	82	287	167	132.47
	L	6	120
2005-06	W	76	266	146	-11.33
	L	6	120
				789.5	453.27

Again, I'm not trying to troll or be a dick like that other douche, just want to help out here...

[Wallco99]

Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

[danhimal]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 39-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +7.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 2A(-7.97 units)


(11/22/16):
#40LToronto (M/L)Lv1l(B)L- Loss
#42LBoston (M/L)Lv1l(A)L- Loss

v1 Fades
(A) 17-14
(B) 6-7
(C) 6-0
Losses: None

v2 Plays
(A) 7-4
(B) 2-2
(C) 1-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)

Games for (11/23/16):
#42LSt. Louis @ Washington (M/L)Lv1l(B)L(7:05 pm EST)
#43LWinnipeg (+1½) @ MinnesotaLv2l(A)L(7:05 pm EST)
#44LN.Y. Islanders (+1½) @ Los AngelesLv1l(A)L(10:35 pm EST)

#40LResumes v1l(C) on 11/24/16

** Denotes lines not available at time of post.


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.

System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[danhimal]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 39-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +7.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 1A(-2.30 units)


(11/21/16):
#37LNashville (M/L)Lv1l(B)L- Win
#39LColorado (+1½)Lv1l(B)L- Win
#41LSan Jose (M/L)Lv2l(A)L- Win

v1 Fades
(A) 17-11
(B) 6-6
(C) 6-0
Losses: None

v2 Plays
(A) 7-4
(B) 2-2
(C) 1-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)

Games for (11/22/16):
#40LCarolina @ Toronto (M/L)Lv1l(B)L(7:05 pm EST)
#42LSt. Louis @ Boston (M/L)Lv1l(A)L(7:05 pm EST)


** Denotes lines not available at time of post.


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.

System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[danhimal]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 36-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +4.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 3A(-5.27 units)


(11/20/16):
#39LWashington (M/L)Lv1l(A)L- Loss
#40LWinnipeg (+1½)Lv1l(A)L- Loss

v1 Fades
(A) 17-11
(B) 4-6
(C) 6-0
Losses: None

v2 Plays
(A) 6-4
(B) 2-2
(C) 1-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)

Games for (11/21/16):
#37LTampa Bay @ Nashville (M/L)Lv1l(B)L(8:05 pm EST)
#39LColorado (+1½) @ ColumbusLv1l(B)L(7:05 pm EST)
#41LNew Jersey @ San Jose (M/L)Lv2l(A)L(10:35 pm EST)

#40LResumes v1l(B) on 11/22/16

** Denotes lines not available at time of post.


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.

System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[danhimal]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 36-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +4.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 1A(-1.17 units)


(11/19/16):
#35LEdmonton (+1½)Lv2l(B)L- Win
#37LPhiladelphia (M/L)Lv1l(A)L- Loss
#38LBuffalo (+1½)Lv2l(A)L- Win

v1 Fades
(A) 17-11
(B) 4-6
(C) 6-0
Losses: None

v2 Plays
(A) 7-3
(B) 2-2
(C) 1-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)

Games for (11/20/16):
#39LColumbus @ Washington (M/L)Lv1l(A)L(12:35 pm EST)
#40LWinnipeg (+1½) @ CarolinaLv1l(A)L(5:05 pm EST)

** Denotes lines not available at time of post.


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.

System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[danhimal]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 34-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +2.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 1A(-2.70 units)


(11/18/16):
#36LColumbus (+1½)Lv1l(A)L- Win

v1 Fades
(A) 17-10
(B) 4-6
(C) 6-0
Losses: None

v2 Plays
(A) 6-3
(B) 1-2
(C) 1-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)

Games for (11/19/16):
#35LEdmonton (+1½) @ DallasLv2l(B)L(7:05 pm EST)
#37LTampa Bay @ Philadelphia (M/L)Lv1l(A)L(1:05 pm EST)
#38LPittsburgh @ Buffalo (+1½)Lv2l(A)L(7:05 pm EST)

** Denotes lines not available at time of post.


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.

System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[liqidzen]

Columbus are like a $1.38 (-260) line play, surely those odds are insane to take on a progressive play system? are you really going to chase that down in a B Bet??? and why do the Islanders play today?? they havent loss 3 ATS in a row??? Flyers play tomorrow....

short odds implies low risk.

[ken23lau]

Personally, I play this system on a labby and set the tolerance at a max of -231. Otherwise, I skip the A bet. If it's a B bet and it exceeds the threshold, I play the ML. Helps me keep the risk in check and has worked out well so far.

[Wallco99]

Oblivious To The Obvious

hh
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[danhimal]

Im not trying to be a knob mate.... but potentially losing around 33-35 units per ABC play with those odds?? is that right??

Me neither, just insinuating some of us can be insane.

[alexknyc]

Im not trying to be a knob mate.... but potentially losing around 33-35 units per ABC play with those odds?? is that right??

Not necessarily. We don't know that they'll be -260 all the way through.

It comes down to your tolerance for risk. Some people will pass, others will bet.

I know if I'm concerned about losing big on a series, I'll skip it. It also gives me pause to wonder if I need to readjust my unit size.

[HawthornHawks]

Watch us

Im not trying to be a knob mate.... but potentially losing around 33-35 units per ABC play with those odds?? is that right??

[danhimal]

Columbus are like a $1.38 (-260) line play, surely those odds are insane to take on a progressive play system?

Watch us

[danhimal]

#28 was a NJ v1 fade that cashed on C bet
#29 was a BUF v2 series loss

[danhimal]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 33-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +1.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 1A(-2.70 units)


(11/17/16):
#28LAnaheim (M/L)Lv1l(C)L- Win
#29LBuffalo (+1½)Lv2l(C)L- Loss
#34LMinnesota (M/L)Lv1l(A)L- Win
#35LEdmonton (+1½) @ Los AngelesLv2l(A)L- Loss

v1 Fades
(A) 16-10
(B) 4-6
(C) 6-0
Losses: None

v2 Plays
(A) 6-3
(B) 1-2
(C) 1-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)

Games for (11/18/16):
#36LN.Y. Rangers @ Columbus (+1½)Lv1l(A)L(7:05 pm EST)

#35LResumes v2l(B) on 11/19/16

** Denotes lines not available at time of post.


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.

System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[HawthornHawks]

No, we should bet against the rangers.

Here are the bets I have just placed for today, based on my understanding of the system.
V1: bet against teams who have won 3 straight games, on the +1.5 line if they are dogs or ML if they are favourites
V2: bet a team will win after losing 3 straight games ATS

1. Columbus blue jackets +1.5 A bet
2. New York Islanders +1.5 A bet
3. Philadelphia Flyers +1.5 A bet

Edmonton oilers B bet is tomorrow.

Columbus are like a $1.38 (-260) line play, surely those odds are insane to take on a progressive play system? are you really going to chase that down in a B Bet??? and why do the Islanders play today?? they havent loss 3 ATS in a row??? Flyers play tomorrow....

[alexknyc]

Nice stuff. I think we missed DAL bet C last night. They won. I wish I caught it earlier. Looking forward to today! Your efforts are much appreciated! I know how time consuming posting these series chases can be consistently.

Wasn't that a fade NJ series? Anaheim won the C bet last night.

Or am I missing something?

[HawthornHawks]

No, we should bet against the rangers.

exactly V1 is a Fade System hence Rangers are a play..

[liqidzen]

Look for teams who have won three straight games. Once you find them, you will FADE this team (bet on their opponent) in a three game chase for the next three games.[/B]

No, we should bet against the rangers.

Here are the bets I have just placed for today, based on my understanding of the system.
V1: bet against teams who have won 3 straight games, on the +1.5 line if they are dogs or ML if they are favourites
V2: bet a team will win after losing 3 straight games ATS

1. Columbus blue jackets +1.5 A bet
2. New York Islanders +1.5 A bet
3. Philadelphia Flyers +1.5 A bet

Edmonton oilers B bet is tomorrow.

[HawthornHawks]

anyplays?

Rangers should be a V1 play today if i understand the system correctly?

[HawthornHawks]

i think if im reading this system correctly... the plays were correct we were fading New Jersey on the Dallas B game... so the Anaheim game closed out that series with a C Win...

[MalikHusam]

anyplays?

[TechnicalTrader]

That Buffalo C game loss was this years first, correct? If so, I'd say now is the time to start tailing here!

[thekoreanmang]

Nice stuff. I think we missed DAL bet C last night. They won. I wish I caught it earlier. Looking forward to today! Your efforts are much appreciated! I know how time consuming posting these series chases can be consistently.

[danhimal]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 31-0A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +31 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 2A(-15.59 units)


v1 Fades
(A) 15-10
(B) 4-6
(C) 5-0
Losses: None

v2 Plays
(A) 5-3
(B) 1-2
(C) 1-0
Losses: None

Games for (11/17/16):
#28LNew Jersey @ Anaheim (M/L)Lv1l(C)L(10:05 pm EST)
#29LTampa Bay @ Buffalo (+1½)Lv2l(C)L(7:05 pm EST)
#34LBoston @ Minnesota (M/L)Lv1l(A)L(8:05 pm EST)
#35LEdmonton (+1½) @ Los AngelesLv2l(A)L(10:35 pm EST)

** Denotes lines not available at time of post.


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.

System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.