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I had a thought. If a v2 teams covers the P/L but does not win the game, that series is won and closed. However, that team is still on a SU losing streak. Would it be a good idea to do a v2 chase on them again? I don't see how it isn't good. An example for today (12/3) is the Lightning. -
Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 51-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +19.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 1A(-1.19 units)
(12/01/16):
#51LTampa Bay (+1½)Lv2l(A)L- Win
#52LEdmonton (+1½)Lv2l(A)L- Win
#53LColorado (M/L)Lv2l(A)L - Loss
v1 Fades
(A) 20-16
(B) 9-7
(C) 7-0
Losses: None
v2 Plays
(A) 11-6
(B) 2-3
(C) 2-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)
There are no system plays for (12/02/16)
#53LResumes v2l(B) on 12/03/16
Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.
Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.comfinal lines.
System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.Leave a comment:
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Nah, not #11. That one would have actually taken a little digging to understand what it meant.Originally posted by oilcountry99lol....my thoughts exactlyLeave a comment:
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Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 49-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +17.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 0A
v1 Fades
(A) 20-16
(B) 9-7
(C) 7-0
Losses: None
v2 Plays
(A) 9-5
(B) 2-3
(C) 2-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)
Games for (12/01/16):
#51LTampa Bay (+1½) @ St. LouisLv2l(A)L(8:05 pm EST)
#52LEdmonton (+1½) @ WinnipegLv2l(A)L(8:05 pm EST)
#53LColumbus @ Colorado (+1½)Lv2l(A)L(9:05 pm EST)
Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.
Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.comfinal lines.
System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.Leave a comment:
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lol....my thoughts exactlyOriginally posted by sedwards86I believe he is keeping count of dumb questions or comments posted in this thread. You may be his #11, watch out.Leave a comment:
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I believe he is keeping count of dumb questions or comments posted in this thread. You may be his #11, watch out.Originally posted by betwithdanielWhat do the big numbers mean?Leave a comment:
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What do the big numbers mean?Originally posted by Wallco9955
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Series already finished:Originally posted by realica9Not fading la kings today?
(11/26/16):
#44LChicago (+1½)Lv1l(B)L- WinLeave a comment:
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Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 49-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +17.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 0A
(11/29/16):
#50LBuffalo (+1½)Lv1l(B)L- Win
v1 Fades
(A) 20-16
(B) 9-7
(C) 7-0
Losses: None
v2 Plays
(A) 9-5
(B) 2-3
(C) 2-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)
There are no system plays for (11/30/16)
Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.
Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.
System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.Leave a comment:
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Of course. Me dumb. Thank you.Originally posted by HawthornHawksKorean..... the play is fading Ottawa.......Leave a comment:
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Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 48-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +16.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 1A(-1.80 units)
v1 Fades
(A) 20-16
(B) 8-7
(C) 7-0
Losses: None
v2 Plays
(A) 9-5
(B) 2-3
(C) 2-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)
Games for (11/29/16):
#50LBuffalo (+1½) @ OttawaLv1l(B)L(7:35 pm EST)
Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.
Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.
System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.Leave a comment:
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Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 48-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +16.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 1A(-1.80 units)
(11/27/16):
#45LWinnipeg (M/L)Lv2l(C)L- Win
#48LBoston (M/L)Lv2l(A)L- Win
#49LWinnipeg (M/L)Lv1l(A)L- Win
#50LN.Y. Rangers (M/L)Lv1l(A)L- Loss
v1 Fades
(A) 20-16
(B) 8-7
(C) 7-0
Losses: None
v2 Plays
(A) 9-5
(B) 2-3
(C) 2-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)
There are no system plays for (11/28/16)
#50LResumes v1l(B) on 11/29/16
Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.
Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.
System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.Leave a comment:
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Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 45-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +13.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 1A(-7.68 units)
(11/26/16):
#44LChicago (+1½)Lv1l(B)L- Win
#46LAnaheim (+1½)Lv1l(A)L- Win
#47LAnaheim (+1½)Lv2l(A) - Win
v1 Fades
(A) 19-15
(B) 8-7
(C) 7-0
Losses: None
v2 Plays
(A) 8-5
(B) 2-3
(C) 1-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)
Games for (11/27/16):
#45LNashville @ Winnipeg (M/L)Lv2l(C)L(1:05 pm EST)
#48LTampa Bay @ Boston (M/L)Lv2l(A)L(1:05 pm EST)
#49LNashville @ Winnipeg (M/L)Lv1l(A)L(1:05 pm EST)
#50LOttawa @ N.Y. Rangers (M/L)Lv1l(A)L(7:05 pm EST)
Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.
Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.
System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.Leave a comment:
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Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 42-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +10.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 2A(-9.43 units)
(11/25/16):
#43LWinnipeg (+1½) @ NashvilleLv2l(B)L- Loss
#45LEdmonton @ Arizona (+1½)Lv1l(A)L- Win
v1 Fades
(A) 18-15
(B) 7-7
(C) 7-0
Losses: None
v2 Plays
(A) 7-5
(B) 2-3
(C) 1-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)
Games for (11/26/16):
#44LChicago (+1½) @ Los AngelesLv1l(B)L(10:35 pm EST)
#46LAnaheim (+1½) @ San JoseLv1l(A)L(10:35 pm EST)
#47LAnaheim (+1½) @ San JoseLv2l(A)L(10:35 pm EST)
#43LResumes v2l(C) on 11/26/16
Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.
Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.
System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.Leave a comment:
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So today it looks like Anaheim is both a v1 and v2 A bet. Then Chicago is a v1 B bet (#44).Leave a comment:
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Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 41-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +9.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 2A(-3.85 units)
(11/24/16):
#40LMontreal (M/L)Lv1l(C)L- Win
v1 Fades
(A) 17-15
(B) 7-7
(C) 7-0
Losses: None
v2 Plays
(A) 7-5
(B) 2-2
(C) 1-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)
Games for (11/25/16):
#43LWinnipeg (+1½) @ NashvilleLv2l(B)L(6:05 pm EST)
#45LEdmonton @ Arizona (+1½)Lv1l(A)L(9:05 pm EST)
#44LResumes v1l(B) on 11/26/16
Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.
Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.
System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.Leave a comment:
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Yes, I am pretty sure his loss assessment amounts are incorrect, since he used an average line instead of actual lines. I am pretty sure I ran B & C only numbers when doing my long term backtest, and came to the conclusion that the most profit was derived from playing the large amount of "A" bets. Re-run ACTUAL series with the exact lines for each game as I did originally, not an assumption of what loss amounts would be, then come to a conclusion. Your data is much too inconsistent to prematurely post in this thread as an alternative strategy for playing my system.Leave a comment:
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TT, Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post.Originally posted by TechnicalTraderIn this case, I'd use the above posted numbers: 5.39% and 13.70% on the C bet and adjust daily
Wouldn't it make sense to adjust your 'to win' meaning your 3.5% profit goal? So risk to win 3.5% of your daily BR.Leave a comment:
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Some things are meant to be some things are not. Walk away from it if you can't find anything close towhat you are looking for. I've been there hundred of times... ;(Originally posted by oilcountry99Same old Oil, LOL! Thanks for the response. Road Parlay is great, still wish I could find a profitable way to play the opposite side (HOME DOGS).
I honestly don't see that much value in home teams in the NHL, not even home dogs. Have you looked in to away team dogs??Leave a comment:
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Same old Oil, LOL! Thanks for the response. Road Parlay is great, still wish I could find a profitable way to play the opposite side (HOME DOGS).Originally posted by TechnicalTraderOil, good to hear from you. I'm assuming you are the same Oil as from across the street? I love that road team parlay thread!
I simply calculated what the avg unit size was, based on the losses Wallco posted in the OP of this thread. I'd say, worst case scenario, your loss will be about 30-35 units a series. That is on a A-B-C chase, much lesson a two game chase.Leave a comment:
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In this case, I'd use the above posted numbers: 5.39% and 13.70% on the C bet and adjust dailyOriginally posted by liqidzenTechnicaltrader, how would you reccomend adjusting your unit size per day? Would it be a percentage of your bankroll? What percentage do you use? I have a spreadsheet I use at the moment but have been putting off upgrading it, this might be a good time to set it up over the break.
Cheers and thanks for the input.Leave a comment:
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Finally got everything cooking! Some spare time to post and check out the action for today.
Happy Thanksgiving!Leave a comment:
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Wallco NHL GOLD
2016-17 System to Date: 40-1A(fin.series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +8.44 unit(s)A(fin.series)
Current Open Series: 3A(-10.44 units)
(11/23/16):
#42LWashington (M/L)Lv1l(B)L- Win
#43LWinnipeg (+1½)Lv2l(A)L- Loss
#44LN.Y. Islanders (+1½)Lv1l(A)L- Loss
v1 Fades
(A) 17-15
(B) 7-7
(C) 6-0
Losses: None
v2 Plays
(A) 7-5
(B) 2-2
(C) 1-1
Losses: BUF (-31.56u)
Games for (11/24/16):
#40LCarolina @ Montreal (M/L)Lv1l(C)L(7:35 pm EST)
#43LResumes v2l(B) on 11/25/16
#44LResumes v1l(B) on 11/26/16
** Denotes lines not available at time of post.
Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.
Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait till closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line(+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com final lines.
System rules and back test can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.Leave a comment:
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Technicaltrader, how would you reccomend adjusting your unit size per day? Would it be a percentage of your bankroll? What percentage do you use? I have a spreadsheet I use at the moment but have been putting off upgrading it, this might be a good time to set it up over the break.Originally posted by TechnicalTraderOne more thing, adjusting your unit size daily is the way to go. Betting a set unit size throughout the entire season is not very professional.
Cheers and thanks for the input.Leave a comment:
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Oil, good to hear from you. I'm assuming you are the same Oil as from across the street? I love that road team parlay thread!Originally posted by oilcountry99TT, appreciate your contribution's to the forum, always an interesting read. I was just curious how you arrived at average odds of -154? I'm also wondering if you had a 'worst case scenario' in terms of odds. Sometimes buying the +1.5 PL can come at hefty odds as well as big favs. Based on your research and averages used this appears to be a nice formula.

I simply calculated what the avg unit size was, based on the losses Wallco posted in the OP of this thread. I'd say, worst case scenario, your loss will be about 30-35 units a series. That is on a A-B-C chase, much lesson a two game chase.Leave a comment:
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TT, appreciate your contribution's to the forum, always an interesting read. I was just curious how you arrived at average odds of -154? I'm also wondering if you had a 'worst case scenario' in terms of odds. Sometimes buying the +1.5 PL can come at hefty odds as well as big favs. Based on your research and averages used this appears to be a nice formula.Originally posted by TechnicalTraderThanks Wallco.
Just attempting to be helpful here, not trolling like that other guy....
By playing only two games, rather than three, the revised target profit would be 3.5 units, rather than 1 unit.
As you can see, the average odds we get is around -154 (to make things easier in excel, I use decimal odds 1.65 = -154). By betting to earn 3.5 units, our A bet would be 5.40 units and C bet 13.7 units (total risk 19.1).
Risk Odds (Dec.) Profit Total Risk B Bet 5.39 1.65 3.50 C Bet 13.70 1.65 8.89 19.10
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Congrats my man! Nothing better than having a kid! I might have to leave work early today. Thanks for reminding me about how great it is to be a parent!!Originally posted by thekoreanmangDo 10 dimes equate to a Susan B. Anthony then?
Sorry, I've been a dad for a year now so I've been perfecting my dad jokes like nobody's business.Leave a comment:
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Dang! Nice to know that at least someone else has been testing this strat out to some degree. There certainly have been times where I have missed A bets and have just bet heavier on the B bets to similar success. I still have been betting the As but with TT's backtesting I certainly feel a lot more confident to go in that direction on a more regular basis.Originally posted by JKEGS81TT, I've noticed you and thekoreanmang for the last few months and really appreciate both your helpful input and efforts on this forum, you're both a lot like me in the way you think and and come from the perspective of greatest returns, and always operate with professionalism. Anyway I've also been following Wallco99 for years and he and a few others on here are great - this system here obviously rocks the way it is and yet I've been playing it with only the B and C games the last two years just like you describe above and I can share from experience it has worked outstanding! Best wishes to all this year, and Happy Turkey Day!
Thank you for the kind words. I think it's important for all of us to try and reclaim the positivity and collaboration in this forum in an effort to produce results for all involved.
I've come and gone on this forum a bit but in the past year I would say TechnicalTrader, doubledime and Wallco99 (and those who have been updating in his stead) have been wonderful contributors.
I've always though CBB was a big money suck, but I've ventured over into that SBR forum and have seen that these threads have gotten the most hits:
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